Mike Matei / October 19th, 2015
October 19, 2015 at 3:15 am
The music in these movies and the twists are fucking wicked. I love these movies probably too much. Have you guys ever seen the CUBE Trilogy? Great underrated cult classics. They are well worth the watch.
October 19, 2015 at 6:34 am
I still want to know what happens if somebody answers the question correctly.
October 19, 2015 at 7:35 am
Finally! I always wondered why James had completely ignored this franchise so far.
October 20, 2015 at 1:30 am
The original CUBE is pretty damned good. The others hold true. Good series.
October 20, 2015 at 5:42 pm
Yes sir! Very original and a very horrifying idea, albeit pretty far fetch’d. But then again, 90% of horror movies are to some degree lol.
October 24, 2015 at 10:48 am
I’ve seen Cube and Hyper Cube, i thought they were good films.
Whats the other called
October 25, 2015 at 11:17 am
October 19, 2015 at 3:55 am
The sixth film really goes into Jigsaw’s intentions and also brings up some really memorable choices/dilemmas that involves an insurance broker as the protag being forced to choose who lives and dies, as he does in real life with life/medical insurance. It’s really great stuff. The series is definitely worth watching through to the end. It would be great to see them all in a row in a couple of nights as one big movie.
October 19, 2015 at 11:17 pm
The 6th one is one of the best!!
October 19, 2015 at 4:39 am
If you kidnap a man and put him in a situation that ends up killing him – you are most definitely a murderer. People act like jigsaw found a loophole. I just hate the “….technically, he never killed anyone…” line. Not a huge fan, but I’ve seen much worse.
October 19, 2015 at 4:51 am
It’s kind of like how the government (FDA for example) never technically kills anyone, they just approve poison in our water and food.
October 19, 2015 at 5:56 am
October 19, 2015 at 6:47 am
October 19, 2015 at 6:43 pm
Neither flouride nor chloride are poison. By your logic table salt is toxic, as it contains chlorine, albeit in a safe compound form, bonded with sodium.
October 19, 2015 at 5:20 am
When people talk about that, they’re simply explaining things from Jigsaw’s point of view. Not excusing his actions. He is the villain of the series. He’s doing horrible things. But he believes that he’s doing them for noble reasons. That’s what makes him a compelling character.
October 19, 2015 at 10:23 am
October 19, 2015 at 12:51 pm
Jigsaw is a guy who caught a terminal disease, but it made him realize that life is too precious to waste. So he looks for people that remind him of the way he used to be, and he puts them into traps where they’re forced to make the ultimate sacrifice so that they can live, “saving” them from a life wasted on stupid bullshit. And if they don’t make the sacrifice, then he says they were pretty much dead already because they were just going to waste the rest of their life no matter what. In one of the movies (the third?) his assistant was rigging the traps so that the victims die no matter what, so Jigsaw got really upset and called her a murderer.
October 19, 2015 at 4:54 am
The original Saw is a brilliant film. The sequel is a wonderful followup. The third is where it started to become a cliche of itself and continued that downward spiral to the end. Though I do like it all to an extent and appreciate what they attempted. Especially the sixth film which I think is pretty good.
October 19, 2015 at 6:02 pm
That behind the scenes footage from one of the later ones where they ask the director / stars of the series to match the death trap to the movie is pretty hilarious.
October 19, 2015 at 5:23 am
This is one movie that was horribly misrepresented in the media. The reputation it has as “torture porn” is completely unwarranted and overshadows a great story that just happens to have bloody scenes. If this is torture porn, then so was Se7en. And if you want to insult a film, then saying it has too much in common with another brilliant movie is far from a bad thing.
October 19, 2015 at 5:31 am
James, i am a loyal cinemassacre fan from Greece. I have watched all monster madness marathons from 2009 until now even though we do not celebrate Halloween in Greece. Thank you for the great videos and eat as much gyros you can !
October 19, 2015 at 6:35 am
Hello, Mr. Rolfe. I just thought it would be interesting to bring this up. I recently watched your AVGN episode about chronology in films again; great episode. What made me bring this up was the fact that most of the titles for each of your “Monster Madness” specials have different titles. With the exception of the third, eight and ninth, the rest of the titles are more theme oriented; you even have Sequel-a-thon 1 and 2 (which is “Monster Madness” 5 and 7 respectively). I know the chronology had to do with films and not your movie reviews; I’m not criticizing, just observing and wondering if that was intentional. You guys are doing a great job! 19 down, 12 to go!
October 19, 2015 at 7:27 am
Why do I always have problems posting comments here? They never show up.
October 19, 2015 at 7:28 am
Is there a character limit or something? I wrote a long reply but it’s not showing up. If I try to send it again, it says there’s a duplicate comment.
October 19, 2015 at 7:51 pm
I guess I can only post in short bursts.
Oh well, nobody gives a fuck about my stupid thoughts anyway.
October 21, 2015 at 9:44 am
Same thing happened to me on this video comment’s section.
October 19, 2015 at 7:47 am
I watched most of these movies in one night with a friend and I have to say I liked the continuing storyline. Probably won’t watch them again, though to be honest.
October 19, 2015 at 8:29 am
I think it would be awesome to watch you guys play the saw Game now on the ps3, pc, or xbox360! It was Made by Konami so it has to be good right? haha!
October 19, 2015 at 9:27 am
I’ve waited for a Saw Monster Madness for so long. Better late than never
October 19, 2015 at 9:28 am
This Movie reminds me a bit of the last scene of Tales from the crypt Movie (1972). Gruesome!
October 19, 2015 at 9:32 am
I just never got into these kinds of movies, and never will. I never personally saw the appeal in these kinds of “gore porn” or “torture porn” films, and I really can’t see how some people are entertained by them. In fact, it’s kind of disturbing that some people are entertained by them.
To me, this kind of shit isn’t “horror”, it’s just trying to be outlandish and shocking and disturbing. Coming away from a movie feeling sick or disturbed is not “horror”, it’s just having watched some fucked up shit. “Horror”, in the classic film sense, are movies that scare you. Not make you want to barf or turn the movie off. *shrug*
October 19, 2015 at 11:09 am
Did you even listen to what they said? Saw is NOT torture porn, omly the sequels are.
October 19, 2015 at 9:36 am
Saw is a great movie. I was so happy when it came out and was so successful, figuring it’d bring some real, original horror movies in it’s wake. Too bad so many movies just took the “bad” parts of the movie and churned out so much rubbish instead. Saw 2 was really good, too, but just like James after seeing the third in the theatre I gave up on the series.
And “porn” as in “torture porn” has nothing to do with sex. Saying “porn” in the common sense is shorthand for “sexual pornography”; replacing “sexual” with something else just means showcasing that thing gratuitously as a selling point. Like “space porn” is a thing, showing tons of photos of outer space.
October 19, 2015 at 9:55 am
haha great intro this time. how do i audition for next years intros haha
October 19, 2015 at 10:31 am
“SAW” is pretty shitty, imo but “Hostel” is even worse.
October 19, 2015 at 11:01 am
“what you don’t see is more terrifying of what you do”
That’s why I think The Blair Witch Project is a great horror movie, and I think it is underrated. I hope you’ll review it.
October 19, 2015 at 11:04 am
you need to watch the entire Saw franchise in order to get the full story.
October 19, 2015 at 11:18 am
Also, talking about the inspiration for Saw, the main inspiration was actually the end of Mad Max. I don’t know if you’ve seen it, but that was the main inspiration.
October 19, 2015 at 11:23 am
Thanks for doing saw. You should watch the series. It has its ups and downs.
October 19, 2015 at 11:24 am
I have tried on several occasions to watch the entire series, but once I hit the 3rd and 4th ones, I just completely lose interest in it.
October 19, 2015 at 11:31 am
You guys talked about villains motivated by an illness/disease/whatever. One of the best examples not mentioned in the video is the character Mr. Glass from Shyamalan’s Unbreakable. Yeah he’s the antagonist but damn is it hard not to feel for the dude, and understand where he’s coming from.
As for the SAW movie, I saw it a long time ago, after being released on DVD, and I remember the ending blew me away. I still haven’t watched 2-7, mainly because I think the Hostel movies had distorted my perspective of this, I don’t know, sub-genre. Think I’ll give them a try.
October 19, 2015 at 11:47 am
Unfortunately for me it doesn’t hold well for repeat viewings, I mean once you know the twist it kind of makes the whole movie a chore to get through again.
October 19, 2015 at 11:56 am
Whewre my comment mates…
October 19, 2015 at 11:59 am
WTF my comment is block before I can post it … that’s BS
October 19, 2015 at 12:00 pm
October 19, 2015 at 12:39 pm
Gotta disagree in this one, splatter gore I like and ridiculous gore shit but torture is a big no-no for me, or if you are gonna do it then do it super hard and absurd like in Serbian film. Yes, I know you americans hate the sexuality of it and yes it’s a sick film, but that is it’s message: real world is even worse.
October 19, 2015 at 2:20 pm
I’d love to see a Cinemassacre review of A Serbian Film, or Salo. James and Mike seem to like the more “fun” horror films, so the criticisms would be interesting.
October 19, 2015 at 12:45 pm
All I wanted to say is the franchise should have stop at the sixth movie the 3 and 5 movie was bad.
October 19, 2015 at 12:47 pm
The last movie of the series is inconsistent and bad in all my point of view
October 19, 2015 at 3:12 pm
Another great talk with you two guys. Thx. 🙂
October 19, 2015 at 3:54 pm
SAW started as a short movie 2003, as well made by James Wan and Leigh Whannell who is also starring in it. Could have been mentioned in the review when James talked about the making.
October 19, 2015 at 4:00 pm
Saw is a Halloween movie now ?
October 19, 2015 at 4:33 pm
With porn, the focus is sex. The story is minimal, the character development is non-existent, and the primary idea is to go from one scene of sex to the other. Torture porn just means the same rules apply but the scenes are of torture/torment and gore. Characters, story, tension, scares are all set to the way back burner.
October 19, 2015 at 5:29 pm
The term “torture porn” really sucks! There’s got to be horror movies, and I don’t like to mix business with pleasure. What the fuck?!!!
October 19, 2015 at 5:32 pm
funny too cause he does play a washed up veteran cop
October 19, 2015 at 7:35 pm
Interesting that i’ve only seen Saw I and II as well. And to be honest i enjoyed both of them. Just never felt compelled to keep going.
Hostel is a good one, James. You should really check it out. it has some solid twists, turns and surprising laughs.
October 19, 2015 at 8:39 pm
Saw this movie at an early premier and was really psyched. Turns out it wasn’t scary at all. The bad acting made it laughable.
October 19, 2015 at 10:11 pm
review The Thing or we riot
October 19, 2015 at 10:32 pm
Man, I wish this site would actually post my comments more than 25% of the time. I just never know if they’re going to show up not.
October 19, 2015 at 10:33 pm
I think “torture porn” is to “horror” as “porn” is to “erotic fiction.” In erotic fiction you have characters, you have mood, you have buildup and then payoff. In porn it’s just all payoff all the time, it’s just sex without any romance or eroticism. In the same way a good horror movie has character, mood, suspense, buildup, and eventually the payoff which is a death scene. Torture porn is just all death scenes all the time, for those who like that. At least that’s how I always took it.
October 19, 2015 at 10:34 pm
Wait, is there a character limit for posts?
The saw series are a real guilty pleasure for me. I really like all of them and how the entire series ties together. The 7th movie is the worst one by far imo. Hope you guys let us know your thoughts after you watch the whole series.
October 20, 2015 at 12:05 am
Mike didn’t see saw until this year?
It is only torture. The twists are not wicked or clever. It’s just gore and torture.
October 20, 2015 at 6:48 am
C’mon James, SAW2 is the worst by far. It’s a bunch of retarded teenagers running around ignoring every single trap in the movie. I think what, two traps are actually shown properly and they’re both boring and lame. It ends with a bunch of people attacking each other in stupid ways. It’s easily the worst part of the franchise.
October 20, 2015 at 8:29 am
Hey dudes, loving monster madness this year, but yo Mike, your understanding of the term torture porn is off. The ‘porn’ part of it comes from the fact that the torture is shown in a close up, confronting way. Supposedly these scenes are motivated by the want to show the physicality of torture and the effect it has on the victim, rather than the meaning the scene might have for the characters and the plot. Like comparing porn to romance films.
October 20, 2015 at 8:48 am
One of my favourite series.
Dontcha heared the term «car porn»?
October 20, 2015 at 9:24 am
No offense, but I don’t get why James has trouble understanding Mike on the whole torture in a movie thing. James loves the Devil’s Rejects, and that’s essentially what the movie is about.
October 20, 2015 at 1:21 pm
The thing that a lot of people do wrong, is see each movie seperately. Yes, that’s when the movies suck and most people stop watching it. But when you watch all the movies after one another, you will see one big movieplot roll out of it. I’d highly recommend anyone to watch all of them and expect your minds to blow.
October 20, 2015 at 5:44 pm
Jesus Christ, I don’t think enough people have tried to explain what torture porn means. Please someone explain it.
October 20, 2015 at 5:57 pm
I am probably the only one who doesn’t like Saw II, but I do agree that Jigsaw is the best thing about the movie. What I don’t like are all the other characters.
The series is not that bad and I can definitely recommend to watch Saws V and VI. Those are truely good. I can also see how people wouldn’t like Saw III. That seems to be one of the weakest movies (and weirdest). The last one also is very weak (but at least it gives some ending to the series so it is also something one should watch).
October 22, 2015 at 11:31 am
I didn’t like Saw II either. Most people like that there were more traps and more gore but I didn’t like that it broke Jigsaw’s rules. Some people never had any chance to escape. The poison started killing them before they could finish and Xavier went psycho and started killing people.
I do like that II had more Tobin Bell because he is generally the best part of the franchise.
October 21, 2015 at 6:52 am
Yeah saw two was better
October 21, 2015 at 5:31 pm
** Original Mad Max Spoilers **
The idea to “saw” your limb off to survive came from the ending to the original Mad Max movie when Max hands the guy a saw after handcuffing him to a car that’s going to explode.
October 24, 2015 at 10:51 am
Anyone remember a film where a guy removes a big stone from the middle of a field that releases a demon.
It has a pentagram on its chest
November 1, 2015 at 12:57 am
I saw the this movie. I think maybe some of the other ones, too. They’re not too bad, but I’m not crazy about them, either.
April 1, 2016 at 9:03 am
Saw is a shitty version of CUBE. James and Mike should review Cube and Cube 3.
October 30, 2016 at 12:24 pm
I remember seeing Saw 1 in the theater. It came out around the same time as 7 and I thought the two were somewhat similar. I also remember in the theater at the end when the bad guy stood up and you realized he was the guy you thought was dead the whole time. That was awesome and shocking in the theater.
October 3, 2017 at 11:13 am
Also, Saw 6 kinda referenced the acid thing from Dr.Phibes.
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