Mike Matei / July 3rd, 2015
James and Mike give their first impressions of Terminator Genisys!
July 3, 2015 at 3:17 am
Wow, thanks for not editing out that major spoiler….
July 3, 2015 at 9:28 am
It was in a lot of the promotion for the film, so if you managed to somehow avoid that “spoiler” about a main character for this long and then you watched a video (its sole purpose to discuss the film) about someone talking about just seeing the film, that’s a really dumb move if you are trying to avoid spoilers.
July 3, 2015 at 1:10 pm
Oh please, the feckin previews already spoiled that John Conner was the new terminator, the ‘mix’ of man and machine.
July 3, 2015 at 8:07 pm
I was at the movie theater a few weeks ago and they had the movie poster for Genisys and at the center of the poster was John Connor with half his skin stripped away revealing the Terminator beneath. You can’t really spoil something that’s the entire selling point of the movie.
July 4, 2015 at 10:32 am
And now so did your comment for those who didn’t look at all the previews. Thanks.
July 5, 2015 at 12:22 pm
I havent seen the movie, I knew it from the preview… cmon.
July 3, 2015 at 4:33 am
Guys, there are no “original clips” from Terminator in this movie. Meaning that everything you saw was CGI. (So the “ass shot” wasn’t cropped it just wasn’t rendered 🙂 ) Isn’t that amazing? You can’t deny the level of detail. I would say this was a breakthrough in photorealistic CGI.
July 3, 2015 at 9:22 am
That one shot close-up of the T1 Arnold was really amazing. I think it passed the uncanny valley test.
July 3, 2015 at 1:11 pm
It was part CGI, but mostly another actor (Brett Azar, with a ‘close enough’ physique of 80s Arnold).
July 3, 2015 at 5:06 am
Mmmmph… Not seeing eye to eye on this one. I thought it was a decent movie and a worthy sequel to T2 (my favorite and one of my favorite movies ever) I’m really, really grateful that decided not only to keep the “heart” of T2 in there but to up the ante. I’m not really an uber fan of The Terminator (1984) But T2 has me crying like a baby every time I see it. And the fact that this one gave me the same amount of impact on an emotional level (what with all the father/daughter relationship) is what tilts the scale for me.
T3 had none of that. It was “just a machine”. Salvation was… Well, there is no Salvation (And Bale could disappear for all I care, I can’t stand the guy…) So this is the best (and only )T3 for me.
7/10 (T2 is a solid 18/10 for me BTW)
July 6, 2015 at 12:41 pm
Saw it this weekend and agree with everything you said. The father/daughter relationship had me teary eyed.
July 3, 2015 at 5:29 am
Not to be that guy, but the Board James episode you mentioned at the end of the video isn’t on the site nor on youtube. Is it coming out later today or what? By the way, great review. I saw this movie yesterday and the plot was a fucking mess 🙂
July 3, 2015 at 7:05 am
The theater I saw it in IMAX 3D opening night, Tuesday, also didn’t have many people in it. Maybe 20, which is small. I remember seeing Terminator Salvation 3 times in theaters (opening night, midrun, and final night) and every time it was either packed or had a decent amount of people. You can usually tell how well a film will do by its initial night. I saw Jupiter Ascending on opening and there were only 2 other people which was abysmal and so was the box office for that film.
I also thought it was Wednesday today when its really Thursday.
Genisys will likely tank badly, BUT the overseas market is where the money is at now. As important as the domestic take is, China now makes up for it. And robots, artificial intelligence is popular with China (and with me personally, but I’m not 1 billion people).
There was a trilogy and tv series planned with this for Paramount, but I don’t know if that’s going to happen now unless it does well in China and they may just manage that.
Terminator The Sarah Connor Chronicles is the greatest thing to come out of the Terminator franchise and I’d love to see James Cameron (who will automatically receive the Terminator rights in 2019) give Josh Friedman (creator of the TV series) carte blanche to continue The Sarah Connor Chronicles with Warner Bros. Cameron hired Friedman to write Avatar 2. Could be a sign that Cameron secretly loves The Sarah Connor Chronicles but has publicly said that he hasn’t really watched it.
I had a great time with Genisys. I saw it in IMAX 3D and its the initial time in a while where I was moved and impressed by it (the sound).
I’m a HUGE Terminator fan and loved the film. Though it wasn’t all it could have been. Like you mentioned, I wasn’t really emotionally moved by it. The ideas and concept were moving, but it didn’t quite go all the way. It had moments that were kinda touching, but being that pretty much everybody was new (despite playing versions of favorite characters) it is kinda hard to see them as the same characters. It’s basically new characters taking on the mantle.
Sure, they’ve been recast before (Kyle and Sarah) in The Sarah Connor Chronicles, but we had time and a lot of fucking great writing and moments to make them even better than the original actors (well, maybe not Kyle in TSCC, but Sarah and John Connor of TSCC are my favorite versions/timeline).
I did think the movie worked though. I don’t understand the hate its getting. I had a blast. I’d probably rank it at the bottom of the Terminator list, but I still love every single entry of this series. There’s a lot to love in this film.
MAJOR SPOILERS BELOW DON’T READ IF YOU HAVEN’T SEEN THE FILM
This was most like Terminator 3: Rise Of The Machines:
You have Sarah and Kyle pretty much in the position of John Connor and Katherine Brewster led by a model T-101 that was sent back to protect them.
Both are supposed to mate.
The T-101 kills John Connor.
The antagonist terminator is thwarted by magnets.
They are trying to stop Judgment Day on the day it happens.
Skynet is basically created through software and people being connected.
July 3, 2015 at 7:06 am
I love these guys, but I had to quit watching when they went on the rant about there being no originality these days. Yes there are tons of sequels out there, but that doesn’t automatically make them not original. There are hundreds of movies released every year, a small portion of them are sequels. There are plenty of movies for everyone. Same with videogames. And they got on Nintendo for making so many Mario and Zelda games yet people lose there minds after E3 if they don’t announce them. They can’t win.
July 3, 2015 at 9:26 am
I agree. There are so many original movies out there and even in the mainstream. It’s just that advertisement wise on a major scale, you’ll mostly get sequels and remakes. And that’s cool. I love everything. There’s no need to become those jaded old men that don’t enjoy anything. People have to stop hating. I understand there are garbage cliches and Mike is right about that to an extent.
Take this film for example, its really good. Could have been better? Yea. But it was a lot of fun and I thought brought a lot of dream Terminator scenarios to life in a good way.
July 3, 2015 at 11:16 am
This is true. You guys want interesting new scifi? Try Ex Machina, a genuinely good robot movie. Hell, even Interstellar or Gravity. There are a lot of remakes and shit, but even in mainstream there’s good new original stuff if you look.
July 6, 2015 at 4:12 am
There are original movies, but the biggest and most popular movies are not a “a small portion” of sequels. Out of the 20 most successful movies of 2014, FOURTEEN are directly linked to a well established franchise. The only movies of the top 20 that are not are American Sniper, Big Hero 6, Interstellar, Gone Girl, Divergent, and Neighbors. Six out of 14. And in the video they did mention that the originality existed but it was in more humble projects, so maybe you should have paid more attention.
July 3, 2015 at 8:42 am
Why do my semi long comments never show up anymore? Other people have tons of text… Get Ryan away from Mike’s ps4 and have him fix it 😛
July 3, 2015 at 9:20 am
If you have the word F I R S T anywhere then its automatically deleted. Bullshit, I know.
July 6, 2015 at 1:15 am
Wait, you mean they’ve started cracking down on that stupid stuff finally? That’s not bullshit at all. That’s actually awesome. The only reason someone would think it was bullshit would be that they tried to make such a comment and got their stupid ass moderated.
July 3, 2015 at 8:45 am
“When was the last time you were ‘wowed’ by an action movie?” Did you guys not see Mad Max: Fury Road or what?
July 3, 2015 at 9:21 am
I think when you make movies yourself, you become pretty closed off to the world around you and even more limited to what you experience outside of your work bubble. So its either consume or make stuff to consume.
July 3, 2015 at 2:05 pm
This is exactly what I came to post
July 3, 2015 at 11:12 pm
just want to echo that sentiment. loved fury road. Might still be out in a few theaters, so you James and Mike haven’t seen it, they should.
July 6, 2015 at 12:43 pm
I didn’t like Fury Road. Liked Genisys a lot more.
July 3, 2015 at 11:07 am
Hope you guys continue doing this, reviewing new movies.
July 3, 2015 at 11:10 am
Honestly there’s quite a few relatively recent movies where I felt the action was pretty damn good, or at least memorable, such as District 9 and of course Mad Max. With this film, it at least looks like it’ll be so bad it’s good. 😉
July 3, 2015 at 12:47 pm
It would be cool if the theatres save themselves by aligning more with the indie filmmakers.
Especially, considering that one of the things killing movie theatres is the insanely high ticket prices, which come from the studios raising the prices so high to recoup the cost of their big budget films (very little of that money goes to the theatre).
July 3, 2015 at 1:13 pm
The last time I was “literally blown away by a summer blockbuster, a science fiction action film?” Max Mad Fury Road! Holy crap that movie was amazing. Plot was just enough to justify the amazing special effects.
July 3, 2015 at 1:52 pm
It sounds like you guys want a parody movie of all of the movies with time travel… kind of like what Scary Movie is for the horror movie genre.
July 3, 2015 at 2:00 pm
james & mike, how are you? the one sci-fi/action film of recent years i really enjoyed was the new Judge Dredd movie, Dredd. otherwise i am uncomfortably numb with the rest.
July 3, 2015 at 2:15 pm
Wait, they talk about a deleted scene in T2 where they teach the Terminator to smile. While I’m sure said deleted scene exists, I definitely remember the T-800 smiling when he picked up the mini-gun in Sarah Conner’s armory. Just thought that would be worth pointing out.
July 3, 2015 at 2:30 pm
You’re killing me! Talking about no good action or time travel and no mention of Looper, Dredd, or Mad Max?!?!?!
July 3, 2015 at 7:46 pm
July 3, 2015 at 2:55 pm
Mike and James, I watch everything you post. I love your opinions and I love your expertise, where I agree that this film was a ‘mess’, it was also fun. It was entertaining. Arnold was the show piece. I had a grin on my face the whole time. I know you guys are film makers and have a certain perspective, but I feel this is one of those movies that you just have to let go, and enjoy. I actually loved this movie. Just because it was fun. It does not deserve any awards or anything like that, but it hit the nostalgia hard. Something I am a huge sucker for.
July 3, 2015 at 3:04 pm
my theater has seats that move and vibrate like star tours at disney world. they even have speakers in the seats. its really expensive though
July 3, 2015 at 7:53 pm
Mike, I am fully with you that hollywood is dead, or dying painfully right now. Its not even action films, it 99% of films coming out that are just rehashed garbage. Thanks to james for the horror movie reviews, ive had to go back to the past. lol
July 3, 2015 at 8:53 pm
Anyone notice Mikes head looks like its floating with the black background haha!
July 4, 2015 at 1:35 am
If you guys are complaining about current blockbusters.then you absoulutely need to see MAD MAX Fury Road.BEST ACTION movie in the past 10
July 4, 2015 at 1:36 am
I agree stop-motion works well in Terminator 1 but the part with Arnold fixing his face in the bathroom looks really terrible and fake while it also really takes you out of the movie.This just shows that some practical effects do not age well like CGI effects.
July 5, 2015 at 9:04 am
CGI ages better than practical? That’s the best laugh I had all week, thanks so much man. Do me a favor an rewatch Return of the Jedi and see how Jabbas Palace stands up to the entirety of Phantom Menace, and then come back and talk about CGI holding up better than Practical effects.
July 5, 2015 at 11:04 pm
Aw man sorry if the comment was misread,I mean that practical effects do not age well like CGi which i meant with some practical effects do not age well like CGi as a majority of CGI does not age well as only some practical effects do not age well.I agree practical is better as I think CGI should only be done of impossible shots and motion capture like King Kong and Avatar.Sorry if the comment was misunderstood.
July 4, 2015 at 1:47 am
Go see Fury Road.
That’s really all you need to do.
July 4, 2015 at 10:26 pm
Mike looks TIRED AF. Take a nap, bro.
July 5, 2015 at 5:04 am
Frequently Asked Questions About Time Travel is a great movie about time travel 🙂 !
July 5, 2015 at 5:03 pm
Great video guys. Mike, I love the way you think and how you vocalize your opinions. You add a lot to Cinemassacre and I feel you are an essential part of what I love about this channel. However, James also has great opinions he wishes to share and you seem to interrupt him on almost everything he’s trying to say. He rarely gets to finish his thoughts before you step all over his sentences. You can see James patiently and thoughtfully waiting for you to speak before he adds to the discussion, but you’re constantly cutting him off and we never get to hear the finale of what James was trying to say. It’s rather frustrating as a viewer and I’ve noticed this in a lot of your reviews. Please be mindful that what he has to say is just as important as what you have to say, and even though you are excited (which is great), you need to let him speak too. It’s not just the Mike show. No disrespect, just an observation. Keep up the good work, both of you.
July 8, 2015 at 12:14 pm
Oh and Congrats on your huge wieness Mike I just heard about it recently, must be nice.
July 8, 2015 at 12:50 am
Every time James tries to say something interesting that Mike character interrupts… Very annoying.
July 8, 2015 at 12:13 pm
I believe the reason they keep remaking movies and making sequels over and over is mostly because of the cost in Hollywood. Kevin Smith talked about this when he was touring Red State. He basically was saying that the price of advertising a movie has skyrocketed to the point that if he wanted to make Clerks in today’s market he wouldn’t be able to. Basically it affects smaller independent or just small budget movies a lot more because someone could make a 100,000 dollar movie but in order to get it advertised then you need to put 10 million in advertising or for something like Chasing Amy I think it was 250 thousand but then the advertising brought it up to over a million. So your low budget indie film that only cost 250 thousand now needs to make 1.25 million to break even. Because of this it’s extremely hard to make an indie film and it’s a big gamble for a studio to come out with a new property. Therefore I think that is why studios tend to do remakes and sequels because there is a guaranteed audience for those movies. They have a blueprint on how to do it and they have a general idea on what it will make. Coming out with new movies is extremely risky in todays market. Unfortunately people are getting sick of the lack of creativity and the flood of sequels and remakes.
July 8, 2015 at 6:35 pm
I just watched it in the cinema and i totally disagree, i think it’s awesome. Yes 1 and 2 are still the best Terminator movies, but this one has such a great nostalgic feeling. Funny how mike isn’t even sure who the T-1000 is, the liguid metal one yes. The actor stole the fucking show, remember how awesome the T-1000 was in T2? Well this guy just looks like him, walks like him, has the exact same facial expressions, he is fucking brilliant. The visuals are top notch aswell. I think Mike was drunk as fuck. I could write much more about the movie but just go see it. PS: Terminator 6: T-1000. (with that actor) Make it happen HollyWood take my money!
July 11, 2015 at 9:38 am
In this remaking wave they could explore histories that didn’t were made so great in the past but have great potential, like Dune for example! That would be great!
July 11, 2015 at 3:04 pm
You guys should review the new Mad Max movie, it was excellent and even the critics loved it. I’m surprised you never reviewed the original trilogy with Mel Gibson. All of those movies were classics and right on par with Terminator, Blade Runner, the original RoboCop, etc.
July 12, 2015 at 2:44 pm
How could you fail to mention that the guy from hot tub time machine that gets his arm cut off was George McFly???
July 15, 2015 at 7:26 pm
Just watched the movie and I agree with a lot of what you guys say in the video. I felt that there’s too much thrown in. Like, T1 and T2 are movies with simple and straightforward plots that can be resumed in a single sentence, and that makes them great.
This one is messier though, kinda twists things so much that it’s almost got a slight comedic value. Why? Were they afraid of getting people bored as they know the story of the other films? Does the movie need to boost its interest by adding crazy twists?
It’s also interesting how much the tone has changed, as Genisys is without a doubt the least dark of the 5. It’s weird. But the thing is that it’s actually a pretty fun movie.
July 21, 2015 at 6:25 am
as much as i like and respect Mike ,dude shut the fuck up and let James talk
July 22, 2015 at 5:42 pm
A Genisys, should have been a console made by SEGA that played both Master System and Genesis games xD
July 23, 2015 at 6:17 pm
Well since I dodged all the previews I was totally caught off-guard by the main villain. My buddy did the same and we enjoyed the film.
August 19, 2015 at 9:21 pm
Keep sending Terminators back in time till they destroy the franchise.
August 26, 2015 at 8:59 pm
Kinda good sequel but my god it seemed “Mogolian Clusterfucked”.
December 19, 2015 at 7:23 pm
I enjoyed this movie immensely, though I found it was confusing at times, but thankfully, not on a Matrix Reloaded-level by any means. Also, I felt we didn’t get closure to the John-situation, will he be born now? And who is that new Skynet-projection in the post-credits teaser?
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