Mike Matei / September 12th, 2014
The introduction and Q&A at the “Comic Con” screening of Angry Video Game Nerd: The Movie, in San Diego CA, at the Reading Gaslamp Theater, July 24, 2014, with Kevin Finn and James Rolfe, the writer/directors. Hosted by Pat Contri.
September 12, 2014 at 5:03 am
I donated early on for this movie. I assumed I wouldn’t be sharing in any of the film’s profits like normal “Producers” do. But I assumed I’d get to watch the movie for FREE since I donated a good sum.
Anyways, here were are and James is now asking those same people to buy/rent his movie that just a few years ago he asked for them to pay for him to make it. So he got people to pay for him to make a movie, and now asks those same people to then pay him so they can watch it.
Cinemassacre should give a free movie download to those who donated more than the cost to own/rent the movie.
I find this whole thing insulting, and I won’t be donating to any future Cinemassacre project.
September 12, 2014 at 5:20 am
You are so naive.
September 12, 2014 at 5:58 am
Naive about what? I was asked to give money (i.e. help finance) a movie someone wanted to make. So I donated. Then that same person came back later on asking me to give them money again just so I can watch the movie I already donated to and helped produce/finance for it to get made.
Not only that but the person asking for people to pay for his movie to get made, and then asking those same people to pay to watch that movie they helped pay to get made, gets to also keep all of the profits from the movie.
So for James it is Win Win Win all around. I’m not going to be involved in something like this again with Cinemassacre. As apparently they want people to pay them to make a movie, and then for those same people to pay them again just to watch the movie while they then get to keep all of the profits from the movie.
After donating, I did see people complaining about Cinemassacre bumping up their “goal” everytime it got reached asking for more and more money from people.
September 12, 2014 at 6:26 am
I cant reply under your comment, so i will answer you here.
You are naive, because you dont understand few very simple things, like:
-He asked people for donation to make a movie, he didnt promise them watching it for free.
-This is his work, he spend a lot of time to make this movie, and now you are mad because he dont want to do this for free ?
And now you act like someone who was betrayed by his best friend. James is not your friend.
Excuse my english, its not my first language.
September 12, 2014 at 6:37 am
And one last thing. He didnt say “donate or i will kill you”, didnt he ? Be mad on yourself, grow up and stop blameing other ppl for things you did. It is my last comment on this site, bye bye
September 12, 2014 at 6:43 am
I didn’t say or said he should be doing this for free. In my case, I already paid James up front. Actually more so than what it costs to buy the movie. What I’m saying is I already gave James a lot of money up front for him to make this movie. And thus I don’t believe I should then HAVE to pay AGAIN just to watch a movie I helped finance.
That is pretty much it. There is nothing stopping them from sending out links via e-mail to all the people who donated over an X amount a special link to be able to watch the movie for free. That is what I personally would do for the people who gave me a bunch of money to make a movie I wanted so that I could then also profit off of it.
I don’t know what you are talking about being betrayed by a best friend. But my point is that I already gave them a lot of money for this movie and I don’t feel like I should have to be obligated to give them any more money just so I can watch something I helped to produce.
I don’t think it sounds right to me for someone asking people to pay for his movie to get made, and then ask those same people to then give him more money that goes towards his profit just to watch the movie they already paid to help produce.
To keep you from getting confused again, it’s perfectly fine that James puts his movie up for sell/rent. I just think James shouldn’t be charging his movie donators to watch it. That is all.
September 12, 2014 at 7:03 am
Tabu, you’re not making any sense. I’m not blaming anybody for me making a donation to AVGN. My argument could be made by anyone. Even if I didn’t donate, I could still say something doesn’t look right for someone to ask people for money to make a movie, and then ask those same “donators” for money again to watch the movie that they already helped produce so that said person can also profit off of his donators.
September 12, 2014 at 8:59 am
I can imagine that it isn’t easy to find out, who put some money into the project and who didn’t. There is this SF Debris guy, and he has some things happening to donators, or whatever. But it is pretty clear, beforehand. to my knowledge there wasn’t anything promised by James or Cinemassacre. I can claim that I donated some money (which I really didn’t.. sorry for being that cheap) and know want to see the movie for free, as well. I gladly bought my copy of the AVGN Movie and took the freedom I possess as an anonymous Internet commenter, to point out the things I like (music, practical effects) and bitch about the things I didn’t like (supporting cast – written and executed). That makes me feel semi important, bitching about something I have no idea about but having the feeling that the people behind this, have some 10 dollar more to spent.
You also took advantage of your ways of involvment: bitching about the unfairness of cinemassacre and life in general, as a top comment. Well done, but I am sorry to say, that’s all that you’ll get for your donation (except a movie poster or sthg… wasn’t that promised to some people? I don’t know)
September 14, 2014 at 8:59 pm
It’s not my responsibility to explain how James keeps track of his movie donators.
But I do believe James had it planned out all along to charge his donators to watch a movie they paid to get made. He did choose to keep that part secret though when he could have mentioned it in his give me free money for a movie videos.
I’ve seen some say like you “he didn’t promise you anything.” I would say it was more vague or misleading looking at it now. As I recall from watching his videos asking people to give him free money to make a movie. That I was under the impression he was asking his fans to pay to get a movie made so that they could watch the movie in return of their donation. Either way, I my point is I think it is crappy that James is charging his donators to watch the AVGN movie since the donators are the ones who paid to get it made.
So I took from the movie funding videos that I’d get to watch the movie in return for my donation. Because really, what else would the point be in giving James money to make the movie? I didn’t think, “Oh I’ll donate money to get this movie made so I can later on pay to watch it.”
September 12, 2014 at 7:48 am
Getting it for free was never the deal. There were specific perks you recieved for the level of donation and none of them included getting the movie for free. It’s was all there, black and white, clear as crystal. You had the choice to donate, nobody forced you to. Stop believing you’re entitled to anything more than what they offered. You come off as a whiny baby.
September 12, 2014 at 8:41 am
There wasn’t a “black and white”, “clear as crystal” etc. when I donated. I donated early on. I think before the official donation campaign thing. Plus there was no disclosure that donators would be required to pay to watch the movie they helped finance. That part was kept secret past couple of years for a reason. If it was disclosed that donators would be required to also pay to watch the movie, then I wouldn’t have donated and I think a lot of others wouldn’t have either.
Like I said, my position is so that it doesn’t really matter whether I donated or not. The fact is I’m saying that I think it is scummy of someone to ask people to give them free money to go make a movie, and then turn around and ask those same people who donated to then have to pay to watch the movie so that they can profit off of their donors.
I won’t be giving AVGN any more money and I won’t be paying more money to watch the AVGN movie as I already paid upfront years ago to see it.
September 12, 2014 at 9:07 am
Dear Colt, thanks for shitting all over the place. You REALLY took advantage of your right to post as it comes to mind. If you were under the assumption that donater get their watch for free, you might be dissapointed, right now. The thing is, nothing was promised.. you even pointed out, that you threw your money at the AVGN movie before anything was announced. Thanks for your faith, but fuck you for your assumptions (sorry, I just wanted to make a point, not really being that insulting). You just can’t donate blindly and expect to get anything out of it.. in that case the act would have been called ‘purchasing’.
‘I donated, so I assumed, Kyle Justin will write a song for me, the NES Punk will give me out a free game, and James and Mike will come over for a backrub and a blowjob…’
– disillusioned donater
September 12, 2014 at 11:40 am
FinallyGAF, when was it announced the AVGN movie was going to be a pay to watch movie? It never was announced until like a month ago or less. When I donated, all his videos were ad based videos. So I assumed the movie would be ad based. But anyways, I expected, being a movie funder, to be able to watch the AVGN movie at no charge, or watch it with commericals.
If James tries to do the fund raising again for another movie. I don’t see him doing so well like the first time. Because what’s the point of financing his movie with no share of the profit if I’ll just have to pay to watch the movie anyways? Unless James does a 180 on how he handled the fundraiser the first time.
September 12, 2014 at 9:01 am
So let me get this straight. You donated money where James Rolfe was very clear on the reward tiers and you are pissed that you are not gettng something for free?
September 12, 2014 at 11:28 am
What are you talking about me getting something for free? I and a ton of other people have already given James money for his movie. I don’t feel I need to give him any more money with regards to his AVGN movie. Maybe people can finance their movies themselves without having to get everyone else to pay for their movie for them? Though it’s a good tactic, get everyone to pay for your movie, then since they are “invested” in your movie and also they are the targeted audience. You can then have them pay to watch the movie they funded.
Like I said, I donated early on, I believe before the tiers were announced. But it doesn’t matter anyways as I don’t think donators who paid to have the movie made should also have to pay to watch the movie.
Was James VERY CLEAR that his donators would also have to pay again later on to watch the movie? The answer is NO. I had assumed it was going to be like all the other videos and be an ad based movie. I didn’t even know he was going to charge to watch the movie until like a month or so ago.
Maybe James can take all the profits he is getting from the AVGN movie that everyone else funded and use those funds to finance his next project instead of asking everyone for money?
September 12, 2014 at 11:53 am
It’s a 5 dollar rental. Don’t be so cheap, man. He never promised he’d give donators anything for free. It was supposed to be to support him and his dream. Not to mention, eventually, to entertain us.
“Friends don’t owe. They do because they wanna’ do.” -Rocky Balboa (Rocky III)
September 12, 2014 at 12:13 pm
Rick, I don’t consider it giving someone something for “free”. I consider a donator as giving a “pre-pay” as a “paid in advance to watch later”. Also at that point, James stuff was all ad based. I didn’t even think the movie would be pay-per-view, but assumed it would be ad based anyways like all his other videos. So I thought it would be on like Hulu or something that is ad based. So I didn’t really think about it at the time.
I think James old videos are really his good videos. I think his videos went downhill last few years. I watched the movie tailer and didn’t really see it appealing.
Actually this donation thing has turned me off doing any fundraiser stuff like this anymore.
September 12, 2014 at 12:31 pm
You’ve gotta be kidding, right? A quick look through all this shows me you’re not. Jesus Christ. I donated 50 bucks to the movie, for what I was owed, a signed picture, the bonus video, and an entry into a draw to win a prop. How much did you donate, and what were you promised in return? Because there was nothing in there about getting the movie also. Maybe that could’ve been an option, but considering it wasn’t, tough luck. For you to say it should have been made clear you wouldn’t get the movie out of donating is ridiculous. Everyone’s acting like James fooled people out of money, and it’s bullshit. I supported the project with a donation, and fully expected to buy the DVD or Blu-ray when it came out. Now that there’s a digital release, I just rented that too. How is it any different from the Nerd DVDs? You can watch all the episodes online anyway, but it’s a way to support James and Cinemassacre, the same way donating and/or buying the movie is.
September 12, 2014 at 12:52 pm
I donated before the Indigogo thing even existed haha.
You are commenting on a comment I made to someone else. So you are taking it out of context. People were making some comments to me that “Everything was clear and upfront”, “black and white” etc. So I asked those individuals if such and such was “clear” for example. Because I didn’t think anything was “clear” like some here were trying to make it seem.
Like I said, up to that point. All of James videos were ad based. So I did assume his AVGN movie would be ad based as well like on Hulu or something. Actually that was one of the reasons why I thought he was asking people for money to make the movie. I didn’t think he was asking people for money so he could make a movie so he could then charge those same people to watch it online.
Here’s the thing. Whatever argument you are trying to make doesn’t really matter. My opinion is I think it is shady or in poor taste if you will for someone to ask and get donations to fund a movie that the donators don’t share with in the profits. And then that same person later on asks for those same donators to then pay to stream the movie online.
September 12, 2014 at 4:13 pm
Well I find it so strange that you think donators not sharing profits is shady and in poor taste. Donate. To give for charitable purposes. Who really donates to get something out of it? You’re not exactly being irrational about it though, it’s your opinion, so fair enough. No further discussion needed at this point.
September 14, 2014 at 8:48 pm
I didn’t say donators not sharing in profits is shady. The part being shady is James asking people for money so he can make a movie so that he can use that movie to charge his donators to stream it and so that James can profit off of his donors.
I recommend James use his movie profits to fund his 2nd movie. That or take a loan out.
September 12, 2014 at 12:48 pm
Something smells buttmad up in here.
September 12, 2014 at 2:57 pm
So you expected something that was never promised, and now you’re mad about it? You’re an idiot.
September 14, 2014 at 12:42 am
Carl, you must be ignorant if you can’t read what I’ve written and understand it.
I’ve already said my position doesn’t matter whether I donated or not.
September 12, 2014 at 4:33 pm
if i were to go to donate blood would i expect to get free medical treatment? no thats a stupid ass logic. when you go for a job interview do you ask to be ceo of the company? the avgn started something of a hobby and james realized that people liked what he was doing. obviously the guy needed money to do something that hes profundly passionate about, which is making movies. Thats where DONATIONS come in. by asking people for donations you are helping that person realize their dreams. The girl scouts selling cookies, the high school car wash, and parents asking for donations to help pay for their childs cancer treatment are examples of the same thing. You DONATE to help people in need. how are you supposed to pay all the people involved in the movie, the props, costumes and all the little thing we take for granted in making a movie. it makes no sense saying that just because i donated X amount of money i should receive X amount of free stuff back. it doesnt work that way, thats not the way anything works. Its a DONATION. what exactly do you people expect? for james to just give you free stuff whenever possible? hows he supposed to make a living, pay off his bills and feed his family if gives free stuff away? if I donated $500 to the girl scouts would i expect free cookies everytime i saw them? it makes no sense at all. No, you give people money because you believe in them and are glad to support whatever it is they are doing. you are helping them realize their dreams. and those people who feel cheated? well that just makes you some poor selfish a-holes who expect to given free stuff for the rest of your lives. grow up please, and tell mom and dad to stop giving you free stuff.
p.s. this is my first post ever on cinemassacre.
September 14, 2014 at 11:28 pm
You do realize movies get made everyday that aren’t funded by donations?
You ask how are you supposed to pay all the people involved in making a movie. Uh, you take money out of your bank account and/or take out a loan. It’s fairly simple to understand. Or you can do like Kevin Smith did. He sold off his comic book collection and charged to a bunch of credit cards.
What are you talking about with: “what exactly do you people expect? for james to just give you free stuff whenever possible?”?
Who is asking for James to give them free stuff? I’m surely not. The only person here that I have seen to ask for “free stuff” is James himself. And he got over $300K in “free” money. Not counting all the free video games and systems and what ever else.
I’ve not asked to be given anything for “free”. I think you are trying to twist the situation. The situation is I’ve given James a lot of money to help him make this AVGN movie. More than it costs to own the movie. My position was that I didn’t think I NEEDED TO GIVE JAMES MORE MONEY just to watch the AVGN movie that I helped to fund and get made. I don’t see how you are trying to twist that into me wanting “free stuff.”
Reading your post again, I still don’t understand why you keep going on and on about “free stuff”. AGAIN, THE ONLY PERSON HERE WHO HAS ASKED FOR “FREE STUFF” IS JAMES HIMSELF. IF YOU DON’T AGREE, THEN SHARE YOUR EVIDENCE.
Do you not think the following is fair? Donators give James money to go make a movie, and James lets those donators stream/watch it at no additional charge? I don’t understand why you have a problem with that?
If I told you I was wanting to make a movie and asked you to give me money so I could make the movie. What you say? Sure I’ll give you money, or “you need to stop asking for free stuff”? And if you did give me money to make it, wouldn’t you be pretty mad if I later on told you that you have to give me MORE MONEY just to watch it?
September 13, 2014 at 4:06 am
I don’t feel betraied! Because, james talked about many times before, that it wasn’t clear if the video comes out for free or not. Another thing is, it was his dream! He and others worked very hard for that movie to proof that an unprofessional group of friends/people can make a movie with the help of the fans and they helped him in expectation, that this movie will be done. The problem with donations are: there is’nt any agreements or contracts for what these donations will be used. You (as a donator) have just to decide to trust or not. And in that case, I trusting cinemassacre, james and anyone of his friends and I don’t feel betraied! He made what he promised. Now, it is their/his right to sell this thing for a price, if they want to. By the way, that price is really fair! I would rather wonder, if the movie would cost 40$ or something like that, but I also would have to accept this and would have to decide by myself to buy it or not (for 40$ I wouldn’t buy it by the way, but that is my own free decission). Another thing is, he called for donations because of the equipment and other stuff to make this movie. It would be more a deception, if he would took the donations for making holidays or buying a expensive car or something like that instead of making the movie. He didn’t. But, if he now decides to have some extra money to cover his labor costs after he made what we expected, then it is his god damn right, or not? I don’t have problems with it! He did it man! He did it right and he is working hard all the time for us all! Many many things on his side is for free! Remember that!
The way I see it: There are hard working people, which pay much time of their regular lifetime (having also other duties like us all) to offer you weekly new videos for free, and then you come along to complain, that cinemassacre demands approximated 10 $ (on vimeo) to download the result of a giant time consuming project? What’s wrong? Ten fucking dollars are’nt worth to burden! If I think about some capitalistic movie- or television-companys nowadays which suck so hard and give nothing for much money, I would’nt come to cinemassacre in my thoughts! He made a really fairly career with his dream and that is a thing the most people can only dream of! Why not to honor that power of endurance which most people don’t have? So, do what you think to do but I can only try to adjure you to think about your opinion again and the whole thing that cinemassacre is all about! If you don’t like it at all events you don’t have to take it! It’s just so simple!
September 14, 2014 at 9:53 pm
Let me ask you this. What is so wrong with the donators getting to watch the AVGN movie that they paid for at no charge? Are you afraid that if the donators get to watch the movie at no charge, then the cost of the movie will go up for the non-donators?
Why are you taking the position that donators should have to pay to watch a movie that they funded?
I donated money to help James make a movie so that I could watch it. I didn’t donate money to subsidize the cost of James movie so he could use that movie to charge me to watch it.
You are being rather ridiculous. You are saying you wouldn’t pay $40 to buy the AVGN movie. But yet you are telling me to do just that. I don’t want to spend $40 for the movie either, which is why I’m not wanting to pay the additional $10 because I ALREADY GAVE MONEY FOR THIS MOVIE!
Also, you are saying “that price is really fair”. Well guess what, I paid for that price to be fair for YOU. I, being a donator, have subsidized the AVGN movie price for you.
I think if James makes another movie that he needs to take a loan out or take the money out of his bank account, and then put the movie up and charge whatever he wants and see what happens. He got his first movie subsidized by his fans. Lets see if James can make it on his own for his 2nd movie.
September 14, 2014 at 8:54 am
Perhaps you need to look at it not as you “invested” in the movie and more so that you enabled the movie to get made. Had you and many others not freely given money, the movie probably would not have been made in the first place, or at least not made at the same level of quality. Just my thoughts
September 14, 2014 at 8:38 pm
That is pretty much right. I don’t think James would have made this movie if he had to pay for it himself.
Do you not think this is fair? Donators give James money to go make a movie, and James lets those donators stream/watch it at no additional charge?
I don’t see what the problem is with that. But there are some people here getting quite upset at the thought that I don’t think I should be charged to stream/watch a movie I helped fund and get made. If it wasn’t for people like me, James wouldn’t have even gotten his movie made. So I don’t feel bad at all for calling James out for charging his donators to stream/watch a movie they paid to get made.
I thought the whole reason James was asking his fans to give him money to make a movie was so that James would get to show that movie to his donators in return of their donations.
I’ve seen some crowd funded movie projects where donators get a Blu-Ray copy of the movie at no charge. I’m not even asking for that, just to stream it online at no charge since I donated actually more than the cost to own the AVGN movie download.
September 12, 2014 at 5:36 am
Thanks for filming these. I really enjoy seeing all the documentation, whether I was there or not. These are important moments and memories.
September 12, 2014 at 5:37 am
On that note, an audience soundtrack or two would be awesome for the bluray if you thought to record that. It’s basically like a commentary track but its the recording of an audience watching the film. To make you feel like you’re watching it in a theater.
September 12, 2014 at 11:07 am
Why are the videos not playing on my phone
September 14, 2014 at 12:39 am
September 12, 2014 at 11:08 am
Is it too old?
September 12, 2014 at 1:56 pm
James! I absolutely LOVED your movie. My biggest mistake was comparing it to big budget hits in my head – I had to keep reminding myself that this was a fan-made low budget film! It was so impressive! I hope this opens a lot of doors for you down the road, because you are one of the most passionate and hard working individuals. Great job!
September 12, 2014 at 2:48 pm
Holy shit, that was one long-ass fucking line.
September 13, 2014 at 11:03 am
Received the AVGN script today… kinda dissappointed that it was just a file, and not the actual printed copy, all I wanted was a memento from the whole AVGN movie process….
On the other hand, I do realice that the more money going directly into making the movie the better, but again it is a bit dissapointing to get just a file…….
Keep up the good work James, loved the Movie!
September 13, 2014 at 11:32 am
Cool,This was my birthday
September 13, 2014 at 11:53 am
James doesn’t owe anybody shit ! you fucks ! ! Doesn’t matter if you donated or not. James and company did not promise a free download to anyone….Just be happy the movie is made,and appreciate all the hard work these guys put into this.. Go buy a copy and quit bitchin fool !
September 14, 2014 at 12:27 am
James profit margin on this movie has to be HUGE. Not only did he get his fans to pay to have the movie made, but James also made those same donators have to pay again just to stream the movie.
The movie is getting alot of bad reviews. I didn’t really care for the trailer. So I’m not going to pay to watch this thing when I’ve already paid enough.
September 14, 2014 at 3:55 am
A donation does not equal a purchase. Are you seriously too stupid to understand that? Grow up.
September 14, 2014 at 8:20 pm
“Purchase” doesn’t have anything to do with my argument. Is there something about that you don’t understand? As I never said anything about a “purchase”. I usually find people that have to resort to name calling to try and make their point really have no point at all.
Here’s my argument in a nutshell:
The fact is I think it is crappy for a person to ask people to give them “free” money to go make say a movie, and then for that same person to later on ask/demand his movie “donators” to also pay to stream/watch said movie.
Most “grown ups” take out loans, or take out money from their bank account when they fund a movie. I wrongly assumed James asked his fans to fund his movie so in return those same fans would get to watch the movie in return for their donation. I didn’t think James was asking his fans to fund his movie project so that he could use that fan funded movie to charge his donators to watch it.
Having said that so it isn’t misunderstood. I do say if you didn’t donate, then fine I think it’s okay for James to charge you to stream it.
September 14, 2014 at 8:49 pm
You’re just proving my point. You’re acting like a naive child. Your arguments are petty and if you were a big enough fan to donate towards this then you would support James and pay the measly $5 dollars to view his film and help him make a living from it.
September 14, 2014 at 10:10 pm
Do you not think this is fair? Donators give James money to go make a movie, and James lets those donators stream/watch it at no additional charge? I don’t understand why you have a problem with that? I guess because you are afraid the cost of the AVGN movie to the non-donators would go up?
I can make a different argument. If James was really as thankful to his donators as he portrays in his “thank you fans for giving me money to make a movie” videos. Then James would allow his donator to stream/watch the AVGN movie that they paid for at no charge and not be petty asking his donators for an ADDITIONAL measly $5.
It’s kind of insulting that you are telling me that I should just keep throwing money at James. I already subsidized and funded his movie, but yet you say I should just keep giving him more money anyways to support his lifestyle I guess.
Why haven’t you thanked ME yet for funding this movie? If people like me didn’t fund it, then it wouldn’t have gotten made. As I don’t believe James would have taken out a loan to make this movie.
September 15, 2014 at 12:06 am
Wow, you gotta be trolling at this point because I can’t believe someone would be so clueless and be this petty over something like this. I donated too and had no problem paying to stream it and will have no problem paying for the Blu Ray when it’s released because I support James and am proud of his dedication to this project. I never expected to get this movie for free, that’s just being naive and selfish.
James has spent his whole life making movies and videos for free viewing. He put years of hard work into this project and has the right to sell it for money to everyone. All you did was make an ass out of yourself by assuming something ridiculous and whether or not you feel it’s ridiculous or not doesn’t matter. You were wrong and you only have yourself to blame
September 15, 2014 at 4:13 pm
You still didn’t answer my question. Here it is again:
Do you not think this is fair? Donators give James money to go make a movie, and James lets those same donators stream/watch it at no additional charge?
It’s a YES or NO question. What is your answer? I think it is fairly reasonable and NO that doesn’t mean “donators” are getting anything for free as they had already given money. If anyone is getting stuff for free, that would be James.
And I’m not being ridiculous at all. For example, I’ve seen other crowd funding campaigns to make a movie. And based on what you “donate” you get basic things like a digital download or Blu-Ray copy at NO ADDITIONAL COST IN RETURN FOR YOUR DONATION. I’ve never seen a campaign to not do that. You can give James all the money you want to, But that doesn’t mean you can say other donators can’t/shouldn’t criticize James for what he does with their money.
The best thing is if James starts funding all of his projects himself: movies, merchandise, AVGN toys, games, videos, etc. and not get funding from his fans. That way there would be no issues at all with what he does with his projects. As long as he is asking/taking money in from others to fund his projects, than he is open to criticism on what he does with those projects.
September 27, 2014 at 4:53 am
You have proven my point because you have refused several times to answer a basic question that is tied to the point I’ve been making.
Here is the question again that you refuse to answer because it defeats whatever point you are trying to make.
“Do you not think this is fair? Donators give James money to go make a movie, and James lets those donators stream/watch it at no additional charge?”
Either you think it is “fair” or you think it is “unfair.” Which is it, or do you still refuse to answer it? By your refusal to answer this question that means you admit you are wrong and that your position has no merit.
September 14, 2014 at 11:47 pm
Do you appreciate all of the hard work people like me did to pay for this movie to get made?
Or are you just glad that someone ELSE paid to get it made to help subsidize the cost of the movie for you?
If it wasn’t for people like me then I don’t think this movie would have gotten made. As I don’t think James would have the confidence in his movie to take a loan out to make the movie.
September 15, 2014 at 9:32 pm
Youre right Colt. People like you got this movie made. And yes, it would be nice for James to have given it or gave a free rent for donators. But he didnt and trying to convince people that he should have on cinemassacre is just gonna get you flamed. Should have seen that coming. The reason he asked for money was because you cant take out a 350000 loan to make a movie over like 6 years. The interest would be more than the principle on that kinda loan. A studio paying to get it made would, push their own ideas, take majority of profits, force it out asap. Thats why he asked for donations and not investors. I honestly will not donate to help make a profit making piece of media. Seems kinda weird to me, but like you said, thats the only avenue this movie could have been pulled off in. Who knows, maybe he has no way of confirming donator indentities. Maybe he couldnt afford to give the movie away to thousands of people. That super sexy side kick probs cost a decent amount lol. imagine like 100 people or mores wage over 28 days of shooting. it adds up. I dont really know his ad revenue, but those nerd videos cost money and TIME. TIME TIME TIME. Having a website streaming hi def videos is $$$$ so yeah it would have been nice to get it for free, but it didnt happen and i dont think you should really be on here complaining (dont say your not!!!) Your reward should come everytime james talks about his great fans who have helped and supported him over the years and who the movie could not have been possible without. Donating is a generous act and expecting ANYTHING from giving a donation is misguided. Ya you gave more than the cost to rent, but it was a donation. You gave and thats the end of it.
I dont think your a whiny bitch or anything, but like others have said, just pay the 5.99 or whaetever and enjoy the movie you helped make.
P.S. thanks for helping make the movie, i enjoyed it. Your a champ.
September 15, 2014 at 10:39 pm
Something is messed up if James has to have other people not only pay to get his movie made, but that James has to have those same people also pay to watch it as well. If it’s that bad a situation, then the movie shouldn’t even have gotten made in my opinion.
And James wouldn’t be giving his movie away to his donators like you are writing. He would be letting them watch a movie that they already paid to see. Like I said, James made a video asking for money to make a movie to show us. So I was under the impression I was donating to help get a movie made so I could watch it. So I considered my donation as like a payment in advance. Look at it like buying a movie ticket before the movie got made.
I was also under the impression James was asking for donations to make the movie because the movie was going to be put up online with advertisements. So it made sense to me at the time to donate to that. As all his videos were ad based. I wouldn’t have donated if James had said he wanted me to pay for him to make a movie so he could later on charge me again to watch it. I bet you hardly anyone would have donated if he had stated that.
But here’s a fact that no one here will acknowledge. James is the ONLY one I know of who has his movie donators pay to watch the movie. The only one I’ve ever seen do this. I’ve checked out other crowd funding projects over the years with regards to making a movie, and they all have it set up in compensation for your donation that you get a download or Blu-Ray copy of the movie at no charge. They also have other incentives as well the more you donate. Why is James the only one in the world who didn’t also do this? Just to get the extra money?
And I have every right to complain. That is the way it works. If you ask others to pay for your project, then you open yourself up to criticism on how you handle that project. If you don’t want that type of criticism, then pay for everything yourself.
Oh, and I’m not paying to watch the AVGN movie. I watched the trailers and think the movie looks pretty horrid. And there are a lot of very very bad reviews even coming from AVGN fans. I think it would be a waste of money.
September 16, 2014 at 2:29 am
Buddy enough. You donated. Look up the definition. Its over. You didnt preorder the movie. you didnt pay to see it in advance. you paid for some guys lunch on day 12 of shooting. no one told you, you get to watch this movie because of your donation. i would never donate to any money making project. its so obvious they want free money. just get over it already. Did you give him 1000 dollars?
September 16, 2014 at 9:06 am
Are you willing to admit that James is the ONLY one in the world who has charged his donators to watch the movie that they crowd-funded to make?
And again you still never answered this question. I believe because you are afraid of the answer you will have to admit to:
I looked back and found the proof to support what I was saying that I was under the impression the AVGN movie would be posted here supported with advertisements like all of his other videos, which was why I thought James was asking for donations because the movie cost alot more to make than a regular video.
Check out this video at “3:07” http://cinemassacre.com/2011/08/16/accepting-donations-for-avgn-movie/.
James says: “I like to keep everything on the site free. All of the videos with the exception of the DVD’s of course. You know you have the option to buy them. But that’s why you see advertisements. So that all of the money come from outside sources. So I can keep the website free for the regular users. But the fact is I need money to make the movie. And that’s kind of like a whole new thing. So donate what you can. Like theoretically if everyone who visited this site donated $1. Then I’d probably have enough to make the movie… I feel really weird making this video. I feel like I’m on the street asking for change. But there will be a movie. You will see where it all goes. Just look around this room and all of the things people send me. You know this is the results of people being generous and sending things… I already know everyone’s willing to help out. If I didn’t know I already had awesome fans, then I wouldn’t even be doing this right now. So thank you.”
Also in another video James talked about there being investors i.e. people who get paid back. So maybe those investors told James to make his donators pay to watch the movie to help protect their investment?
September 16, 2014 at 8:38 pm
Don’t you think its time to drop this? At the end of the day it’s James’s decision. He didn’t promise anything other than the perks from the fundraiser and if he wants to charge everyone he’s well within his rights to. Going on like this for so long is kind of obsessive.
September 16, 2014 at 10:06 pm
It is kinda crazy. Colt, it isnt really fair. But thats the nature of donations. They are not supposed to be fair. They are supposed to be someone giving something away without expecting anything in return. Hence why i would not donate. Hence why i PURCHASED the right to watch the movie. I doubt any investors made him do anything. because donations are donations, investments are investments and purchases are purchases. Its on the lame side, but really, you shouldnt have expected a thing.
September 18, 2014 at 4:15 am
You obviously weren’t here early on. Because there were donation campaigns here before that Indiegogo thing.
James made videos stating that ALL of is video are supported by advertisements which are free to watch since you pay by watching an ad and giving donations. Ok, again James states ALL of his videos are ad based which is that way because they are supported by advertisements and by donations. Then a sentence later James ask for donations to support is long video called the “AVGN Movie”.
Okay so James just states all his videos are run by advertisements and donations. So it made sense to donate at the time.
Then John did a bait and switch cause guess what. He decided to change the ad supported “AVGN Movie” video into a pay-per-movie to charge his donators to watch it after he pretty much told them the movie would be ad based.
When you are saying that shouldn’t expect anything. What you are really saying is that I should just ignore James misleading statements on what he was going to do with the movie while he was asking for donations.
Oh, and you are welcome. I helped subsidize your cost of the movie. I’ve given more to AVGN than what amounts to your movie purchase.
September 18, 2014 at 4:42 am
I’ve said this many times. I didn’t participate in Indiegogo. I donated for the movie before that existed.
James made videos here asking for movie donations. His reasons were misleading, because he stated that ALL of his videos are advertisement based supported by advertisement views and by donations. But that he was doing a movie that would be a “long video” and needed donations. It made sense to me that he needed help to make a very long video called the “AVGN Movie” which would be advertisement based. So I donated based off of that donation request video.
I’ll post this again:
Check out this video at “3:07″ http://cinemassacre.com/2011/08/16/accepting-donations-for-avgn-movie/.
September 18, 2014 at 4:45 am
In that donation request video, you will see Bait and switch proof that his donation request video was for an advertisement based movie as the video “advertisements” were the only thing mentioned there. Show me where in that video that it says anything about a “Pay-per-view” in that video? As people keep ignoring that video for some reason as it supports my position. The reason why I donated is because James pretty much said the AVGN Movie would be supported by advertisements and by donations.
September 18, 2014 at 8:49 pm
Buddy enough. Regardless of what James ever said, the definition of a donation stands. You should have known better because you donated. You didnt purchase and you didnt invest. I knew that asking for donations to make a full length movie was sketchy. I have little to no experience in making movies and running a website and even i knew he would have to charge for it. It was naive of you to think different REGARDLESS of what james said. But if you wanna get super into what he said we can point out that not once did he say “you will get to watch this movie for free” he did say “I like to keep everything on the site free.” He did not he WILL. He said he would LIKE. But if you start using your noggin a little bit, youll realize how much of an endeavor a movie is and putting a movie for streaming online is. Also, he asked for 1$ a person. So it was all you who donated a whole lot more. (how much did you donate anyway. Never said once so far i dont think)
If i read or saw him say “donate 6 bux and you will for sure get a free rental” i would have. But he never did so i waited until i knew my money would benefit me directly without any of this butt hurt crap. Get over and dont be such a tight ass.
September 20, 2014 at 5:14 am
You can represent the side you want. And I’ll represent the side I want. There have been several comments here from other donators upset about James charging them to watch the AVGN Movie that they donated to help get made. You won’t admit this, But James is the ONLY one to do this. It is very abnormal and I’ve never seen it done by anyone else out crowd-funding for a movie.
Even though you somewhat admit that James made some misleading statements in his early donation request videos. You can’t say that I should have theoretically been able read his mind or something on what he was going to do based on watching those early videos. As the ONLY thing I could take away from those early AVGN donation request videos was that James stated that all of his videos were ad based, and that James wanted to make a really long ad based video called the “AVGN movie” and needed donations for that. That is pretty much what I take away from watching those early videos that I relied on to decide to make a couple of donations for the AVGN Movie. I had also previously donated in the past for the regular AVGN videos. If you had watched those early videos and didn’t know about the AVGN movie being charged to watch, then you too would have thought the same thing as me at the time that the AVGN Movie would have been an ad based video.
I take your “But if you start using your noggin a little bit” comment to only mean “Hindsight is 20/20”.
Oh, and you need to quit calling me a “tightass”. I’ve made multiple donations to James over the years. Two donations for the AVGN movie, and at least two donations prior to that for the regular AVGN videos. So I’ve given more than my fair share sir.
If you were to call anyone here a “tightass”, you should direct that towards James. Because let me ask you a question that you will refuse to answer. Okay, here is the question:
What is the point of James charging all of his AVGN movie donators to stream the movie online even though they were the ones who paid for the movie to get made?
My answer is it’s called taking advantage of your donators who probably don’t know any better.
September 21, 2014 at 9:37 pm
Your very true to your cause Colt. Very admirable. We will just have to agree to disagree. Sorry some comments i made were condescending but i just get riled up with this stuff. I agree this whole situation is greasy, but in my mind ive always thought these kickstarter donation things were hokey. My whole argument is you should not have expected a return on your donation. But obviously you had faith in the purity of cinemassacre and their usual commitment to fans. Maybe im being like the guy saying girls should dress down if they dont wanna be sexually harrased. Maybe your being too ideallistic about good old James. I dont know. All i know is im sorry your AVGN relantionship is forever tainted.
September 22, 2014 at 7:40 pm
I donated for the movie before the Indiegogo thing was even mentioned. I believe I had posted a link to the video. But James made a video asking for movie donations. Again this was BEFORE Indiegogo. James stated that ALL of his videos were ad based and free to watch, etc. Then James asked for donations to make his movie.
So that is when I donated because it made sense James was asking for donations to make his movie because he just got done saying ALL of his videos are ad based. I can only go by what is presented and how it is presented, I can’t read minds of peoples intentions.
My position isn’t looking for a return on my donation. I just think there were misleading statements tied to the donation request that I participated in. I took James statements to mean he needed donations for the movie because ALL of his videos are ad based and that a “movie” is a lot bigger project than a 10 minute video, because James would be showing his “movie” for free viewing supported by advertisements.
The other issue I have isn’t a legality issue, but maybe more of a moral issue. In that I think it is sleazy to charge the donators to watch the movie they funded to get made. Like I had said before, James is the only one I know of to do this with regards to getting donations to make a movie. I probably wouldn’t have had any problems with the donation thing if James had sent out links or codes to his donators to let them view the movie without charge. If I was in James position, I wouldn’t be charging my movie donators to watch the movie they funded.
I don’t think James will be successful in his 2nd “give me money to make a movie” donation request unless he changes the problems I’ve mentioned. I believe James will probably change it up the 2nd time like how I mentioned should have been done the first time.
September 23, 2014 at 10:43 pm
I will agree asking for free money to make a money making piece of media is sleazy and it sucks you dont get a thing for giving money.
September 24, 2014 at 4:13 am
Your response argument to me is a legality argument. And my argument is NOT a legality argument. Therefore, you are missing my point.
My argument is more of a morality argument. In that I think it is very FAIR for me to say that James asked people to give him free money to go make a movie. And thus I think it is very FAIR and OKAY for those same people to ask James to let them watch this movie at no charge since they paid to get it made.
Here my argument is simpler:
James = Free movie and keeps all profits and merch.
Donators = Watch movie at no charge
I’m not saying I’m legally owed anything. But notwithstanding my above argument. I do think some misleading statements were made in order to obtain donations. I think it was bad taste to keep the fact this movie was pay-per-view a secret from the donation requests. And thing it’s very bad taste to get free money to make a movie, and then charge those same donators to watch it. Also, after making a TON of videos claiming to thank all the fans for making this movie possible.
The donators gave James a free movie he asked them for. Therefore it’s fair for those same donators to ask James for a viewing of the movie at no charge.
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