Audio Slaughter podcast #2 – METALLICA

James / March 13th, 2013


My wife and I discuss the mighty Metallica!

Listen here.
02 Metallica

We talked for almost 2 hours. If you don’t have the time, here’s the index to help you skip around.

00:01:15 – How we got into Metallica

00:11:25 – What Metallica’s about

00:16:15 – Kill’em All and early history

00:21:40 – Ride the Lightning

00:24:50 – Master of Puppets

00:26:30 – Cliff

00:27:20 – Garage Days Re-Revisited

00:28:50 – And Justice For All

00:34:00 – Black Album

00:39:00 – Load

00:42:45 – Reload

00:45:40 – Garage Inc.

00:50:45 – S&M, MI2

00:52:35 – Napster

01:01:25 – Some Kind of Monster

01:03:05 – St. Anger

01:10:40 – Death Magnetic

01:15:50 – Lulu

01:18:25 – 30th Anniversary shows, Beyond Magnetic, and Future album

01:21:15 – Concert experiences

01:41:35 – Recommendations

01:45:00 – Top 5 Cover songs




  • March 13, 2013 at 10:37 am

    Thats what I call a comlete analysis of Metallica’s legacy! Thanks, folks=)

  • DON

    March 13, 2013 at 10:46 am

    Thanks for the in-depth analysis.
    My two cents:
    There are tons and millions of better bands than Poptallica, the ex-metal band who survived itsself 20 years ago, out there in the world, that morely deserve a discussion on that high level.
    Hope to see something less shallow and mainstream in the next podcast.
    Keep up the good work, anyway 🙂

    • CompanyLovesMisery

      March 13, 2013 at 11:55 am

      My two cents: Everyone’s entitled to their own opinions. But I honestly believe that your way of thinking is what’s wrong with metal music today.

      • DON

        March 13, 2013 at 1:47 pm

        Not overhyping Metallica is bad for the metal genre?
        Now I’m glad there’s some other music genres too on this planet…

    • CardiacNutsack

      March 13, 2013 at 1:50 pm

      @Don: I’m personally not into Metallica anymore but even I can admit that they’re extremely important and relevant to hard rock and heavy metal. They are worth an in-depth discussion.

      • DON

        March 13, 2013 at 2:19 pm

        C’mon guys, I never ment to offend any Metallica fans and I never said that they were either bad or not important.
        They did a hell of unique things and released some good albums a long time ago.
        But they’re just one of many important rock bands from the past and all of them have been discussed a million times by a million people who weren’t even half as smart as James.
        Everybody knows everything about Metallica, everyone interested in rock music owns at least Lightning, Master and Justice.
        We’re not talking an insider like Pussy Galore here, it’s Metallica, maybe the most popular band ever right after The Beatles.
        And maybe that’s just my way of life, but if I had an audience as big and as interested in art as James has, I’d rather put my energy into showing everyone something fresh and exciting, not the same old stuff we all know at heart.
        Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy listening to some Metallica myself but there’s so much equally good and (according to your taste) even better music else out there besides Metallica that deserves a voice, too.

      • March 13, 2013 at 3:04 pm

        Don, no worries. You didn’t offend anyone. At least not me. You even said thanks for the in-depth analysis.

        About Metallica being a shallow and mainstream choice, let me reiterate what I said (somewhere in the 2 hour podcast). Metallica is the gateway metal band. Because they’re mainstream, they’re the first metal band that most people get the chance to hear. They were the band that introduced me and many others to the world of metal. They’re ripe for discussion and appropriate that we discuss them early on.

        Yes, of course there’s plenty of other bands out there that deserve more recognition, but it’s only the 2nd podcast, so give us time.

      • CardiacNutsack

        March 13, 2013 at 3:44 pm

        @Don You didn’t offend me either, as I’m not a Metallica fan (though I was HARDCORE into them in high school, like complete out obsession). If I’m listening to hardrock/metal, I tend to gravitate towards Megadeth, Melvins, Strapping Young Lad, AC/DC…

        I just thought you were nitpicking a bit too much.

      • The Kaleidoscopic God

        March 14, 2013 at 2:44 pm

        Good news, James. Now, discuss Opeth and my life would be complete. But that’s not going to ever happen.

      • Apparition

        March 15, 2013 at 4:16 am

        @James, very well stated. The way you just described it is the impression I got from the podcast about what you were going for.

    • youresowrongnvain

      March 13, 2013 at 3:20 pm

      You’re really wrong, I listen to more “underground” metal than you have and probably for a lot longer than you have too. I grew up in the 80s and have been listening since I was very young. Metallica are still one of the greatest metal bands of all time, the first four albums are some of the very best thrash albums of all time. Metallica were not shallow whatsoever. Other bands are more deserving? Not really, Metallica’s attitude certainly sucks now that they’re older but none of them are on the level of bad that Dave Mustaine is. There are lots of other bands worthy of recognition that don’t get it, I could name fifty. Metallica are worthy of recognition and did more than enough to earn their popularity.

      • youresowrongnvain

        March 13, 2013 at 3:50 pm

        Also, speaking of Diamond Head and “Am I Evil?” they’re touring the USA this year with Raven who are also an amazing UK band. Both bands are killer live so if anyone has the opportunity you should go see them, dates at

      • DON

        March 13, 2013 at 3:53 pm

        Wow, thanks for the reply James 🙂
        Now I feel really guilty for nitpicking because I appreciate all of your work a lot.
        Glad to see there’s more bands to come.

        You just won over my heart by mentioning Strapping Young Lad :).
        That’s what I would call the most exciting metal band of the last decades, besides Meshuggah maybe.

      • Empty_Words

        March 16, 2013 at 12:17 am

        That is a very ignorant thing to say without even mentioning any of these ‘underground’ bands you’ve been listening to for a long time.

    • March 13, 2013 at 6:38 pm

      I agree, Metallica is overrated.

    • March 17, 2013 at 8:04 pm

      Metallica helped bring metal to the mainstream…Metallica paved the way for other metal hate Metallica because they are not “Metal” anymore…Metallica is one of the greatest metal band of all time..they have FIVE legendary album..most band would be lucky to even have ONE…they wrote ONE, Master of puppets..Fade to black…Battery…Ride the Lighting…You also have to take into consideration that they are in their 50’s and they are strictly playing music for fun now..they are not out to change the world of metal..they did that in the 80’s and early 90’s…

    • Joseph Schultz

      December 27, 2013 at 1:37 pm

      are you fucking kidding me?

  • careful_auggey

    March 13, 2013 at 10:54 am

    Hey James, you should put these podcasts on iTunes! I’d love to listen to them using my iPhone, but I’d rather they download automatically… I dunno, I think it could work!

  • 00bam

    March 13, 2013 at 11:25 am

    i wish i invented napster that would be awesome

  • HungShark

    March 13, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    Regarding the Napster issue: what’s ironic about the whole issue is that it was thanks to Napster that I was first able to discover Metallica.

    Growing up, I was very sheltered in terms of music. The only exposure I had was what was popular on the radio and what was playing on MTV. And during that time, it was–as Mrs. Rolfe described it–the apex of Grunge, which I did not like.

    It wasn’t until I was in high school when Napster first came on the scene. I had a pretty badass computer at the time with a CD Burner (a rarity in those days). So my friends were asking me to download various songs for them and put them on a CD for them.

    One day, a friend of mine had a list which contained several Metallica songs on the top. I had never heard of Metallica (in 2000…yeah, I was THAT sheltered), and asked if they were any good. He pointed to the number one song on his list: Master of Puppets. He said listen to that, and that will answer your question.

    That night I downloaded it off of Napster and listened to it. I was hooked. I started downloading more and more Metallica. I loved it. That summer I was able to start earning some extra cash, so I started buying all their albums. For the next four years, the only music I’d listen to was Metallica. Sure I dabbled in other bands back then, but 99% of the time, I was playing Metallica.

    It was because of them that I became hooked in the metal/rock genre and began to explore other bands. If it wasn’t for them, I probably never would have gotten into bands such as Iron Maiden, Rammstein, Helloween, Guns N Roses, Dio, etc.

    • March 17, 2013 at 8:07 pm

      remember that Metallica is one of the many music artist that help killed Napster…Dr.Dre was one of the artist too..

  • Skeletor

    March 13, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    Metallica is one of my alltime favorite band. But They have sucked ever since the master Jason Newsted left in 2001, that kinda marked the end of the great Metallica era of the 90’s.

    • Skeletor

      March 13, 2013 at 12:58 pm

      I love that you both like Load James. Because its my favorite album. Its one of the most underrated ever made. When you get older you fall in love with the dark wibe this album gives you. Its one of the best musical rides you can listen to. And everyone seem to bash it, don’t know why? Because everyone almost have Outlaw torn, bleeding me, until it sleeps on thier top 10 list of the best Metallica songs ever made.

    • August 25, 2013 at 9:05 am

      I LOVE METALLICA!!! My favourite band ever <3

  • scottmetal666

    March 13, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    Being a Metalhead that bailed on this band after “..And Justice For All”, I enjoyed listening to how James and Mrs. got into them during what is arguably the apex of this band’s success, but during their worst, most-commercial, non-Metal period. Nice podcast. Now go listen to some Exodus already \m/

  • Noctilca

    March 13, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    Wonderful analysis of one of my all-time favorite bands. I love all of their albums, and I’ve always been impressed by the range of styles they do, from metal to country. Metallica are masters of music!

    Thanks, Mr. and Mrs. Rolfe!

    • The Kaleidoscopic God

      March 14, 2013 at 2:53 pm

      Pah. Country is switching between 4 basic chords over and over again and sing of a broken heart. Masters of music my ass.

  • March 13, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    Is this relevant to your interests?
    (Metallica on the NES)

  • March 13, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    Thanks for doing this James. Metallica is my favorite band. I love all their albums including St. Anger. That’s not to say I don’t have problems with some of them here and there. The worst Metallica album is still better than most other metal bands best albums.

    • scottmetal666

      March 14, 2013 at 2:30 pm

      “Frantic..tick tock tick tock”…redefining “brutal” in Metal, makes me cringe whenever I hear it, just the worst lyric decision ever made by them

    • Empty_Words

      March 16, 2013 at 12:23 am

      “the words Metallica album is still better than most other metal bands best albums.” That comment is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.

  • russiancthulhu

    March 13, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    that’s a true magic of your work, James!
    I wasn’t planning to listen through the whole thing, but the combination of great music and your stories did it’s job right.
    BTW are you planning to do more Cinemassacre Mailbag videos sometime in the future?

  • March 13, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    About St. Anger. The three problems I have with the album are cheesy lyrics, songs are too long with little variation, no solos (like you said). That said, I really like St. Anger. There are some songs I always skip though. Dirty Window, and The Unnamed Feeling are probably my two favorites.

  • AxBunny

    March 13, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    Given a choice between getting to meet James Hetfield or James Rolfe I’d pick James Rolfe without hesitation, and I’ve been a metal-head since I was about 3 or 4 back in the early 80’s.

  • Daryn Grant

    March 13, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    Awesome, James! I’ve actually been looking forward to another one of these! I would love to see you talk about Queen! I actually love hearing your musical side! It makes you that much more AWESOME!

  • CompanyLovesMisery

    March 13, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    Thanks James and…Mrs. James. Nice thorough look at the history of one of my favorite bands. But how can you put Load above the Black Album?? Load is good though. Reload is just…alright. St. Anger has like 2-3 good songs, at best. The sound quality you’re referring to on Death Magnetic has to do with the “Loudness Wars”, everyone trying to be louder than the last album. All that means is the sound levels are pushed until they start peaking or clipping and it creates an unpleasant distortion effect, not like guitar distortion. Good album, don’t get me wrong. The “Guitar Hero Version” sounds better, because it wasn’t pushed passed the limits of reasonable sound quality. Hey, you’re a movie nerd, I’m a music nerd.

  • Madrid1214

    March 13, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    Ah yes. The Big 4. I went to that show too. Drove from AZ. Parking was hectic. The lot was just a huge lot. no indicators or anything. Once the concert was over, it was dark and full of people running around looking for their car. We nearly spent an hour or two searching for the car on foot. Crazy but fun.

  • March 13, 2013 at 6:37 pm

    Come on James, do Iron Maiden or Judas Priest next time!

  • Magnum66

    March 13, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    I was listening to, and sadly my browser messed up halfway through it and I can’t find out how to skim back to where I was and it won’t let me download it. 🙁 Oh well. Either way, really enjoyed what I did hear, great job. Metallica is my all time favorite band so this was great to listen to. So much emotion in their songs and lyrics, it’s so helpful and sometimes even emotionally healing to listen to them at times. Also I loved listening to your wife’s inputs as well on the matter. She seems like a great intelligible person James. You’re very lucky to have her.

  • March 13, 2013 at 8:45 pm

    Really cool to hear your opinions about these great metal bands. I’m a metalhead myself and I’ve always seen you wearing rock and metal shirts in your vids so I’ve always been kind of interested to hear your musical opinions along with everything else you comment on.

    I saw Metallica at the Orion fest last year. Got into the VIP snake pit via a friend of a friend who used to play tennis with Lars back in the day haha. Anyway it was a great show, and even though Metallica rarely put out good music nowadays I still like them a lot.

  • Nikolas Allen

    March 13, 2013 at 9:06 pm

    love Metallica sorry y’all St Anger is the goat

  • elcalvo

    March 13, 2013 at 9:06 pm

    I was almost hypnotized listening to both of you, until you revealed your love for Death Magnetic. Maybe I should give it a second chance, music has gotten worse so maybe now it’s great! By the way, there is a video when I think they are discussing the artwork of some recent album, and you see the people who make decisions about the marketing…I felt dirty after watching that.

  • Wes

    March 13, 2013 at 9:11 pm

    Sorry but I gotta chime in. Why would anyone go on the internet, do a podcast and not use their name. If you don’t want people to know you, why put stuff out there in cyberspace? Its just weird.

    • vitekr

      March 13, 2013 at 10:32 pm

      It is to protect her identity, for the purpose of insulating her against the more abominable elements of online society, specifically “gamers and nerds”. A film career is not what she wants, its what James wants. This is just a little commentary on the side, there is no reason to thrust MRS into the spotlight, which would summon forth all that entails instantly.

      The very fact that people would be upset that her identity has not been revealed is prime evidence as to the wisdom of her choice.

      • Wes

        March 14, 2013 at 9:23 pm

        Yeah I get your point. Im not really mad I just think its weird though. But hey opinions are like B-hole everyones got one and they all stink like doo doo.

      • Wes

        March 14, 2013 at 9:31 pm

        Also I already know her name. Anyone who has been a fan of the show for years already knows it. Heck she was credited with camera work on a few nerd vids. Also James himself posted a bunch of pictures of them together and named her in the captions. Later he took them off and thats why its so weird. Why post all that stuff only to then go back to not using her name. Thats mainly why I think its weird.

  • vitekr

    March 13, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    Metallica is very important to me. They were kind of my anthem for many years. They have a very special place in my heart that I cherish, and It pleases me to see you guys so eloquently express your own feelings concerning them.

  • AxBunny

    March 13, 2013 at 10:34 pm

    I know I already commented, but I figured I should go ahead and say this. Metallica wasn’t the first metal band I ever heard, but I did like them a lot growing up. By the time stuff like Garage, Inc. and S&M came out I had already moved on to better and more bad ass metal and pretty much saw Metallica as a joke. I think it goes without saying that I disliked anything from then on and thought of Death Magnetic as too little too late.

    After hearing you and your energetic wife out about Metallica you’ve convinced me to give the Metallica albums I didn’t care about another try. It’s been a long time, and they may grow on me now.

  • cfredtmbg

    March 13, 2013 at 11:25 pm

    Just to comment on the Death Magnetic sound quality… Just because some of us complain about the sound quality doesn’t we hate the music. I love the album, but the over compression is harsh and for me detracts from the album. I put the album aside until I was able to acquire the Guitar Hero version of the songs. The sound quality is much improved and now I listen to it all the time.

  • Haruko_Haruhara

    March 13, 2013 at 11:33 pm

    Man, i love these Audio Slaughters. As a younger person who is slowly getting into Metal (My dad is really into it, but after playing Brutal Legend and hearing the soundtrack in it, i was hooked) these podcasts really help me in searching for good music.

  • King12String

    March 14, 2013 at 12:06 am

    Load and ReLoad are just as good as anything they did in the 80’s and even better than Kill ’em All. There. I said it. In my opinion.

    • Empty_Words

      March 16, 2013 at 12:33 am

      I sincerely hope there are not more people who think like you

  • Jcr3ws

    March 14, 2013 at 12:55 am

    If anyone is a true fan, anything is accepted no matter what the band changes to. All is good to my ears, even drop tuned st anger. I live 25 miles from Evansville, I remember when Hetfield broke his wrist skate boarding at Roberts stadium (which btw just got tore down 2 months ago).. everyone was pissed off cause of the concert ending. Metallica came back in 91 when B-album skyrocketed and my cousins friend filmed it (horrible quality). But never agian have they returned…damn skateboard. I did see them in 08 @ St.Louis, death magnetic tour..awesome show, kirk messed up a solo tho.

    • Old Hay

      March 14, 2013 at 7:47 pm

      This doesn’t sound virtuous or loyal to me, it just sounds like an uncritical and undiscerning attitude. Me and my interests in music come first, otherwise I’d have never come across this band in the first place, right?

  • King12String

    March 14, 2013 at 1:02 am

    As for Napster, what people who back then and STILL piss me off need to realize is that by big Metallica standing against Napter they were also standing up for the up and coming artist who maybe isn’t a multi millionaire.

    If you really want to spot a hypocrite, ya know how people always complain about Wal Mart stealing jobs from small communities and all that jazz? Ask them if they’ve ever once illegally downloaded a song or two.

    • Old Hay

      March 14, 2013 at 4:25 am

      Except that’s scientifically been proven to be baloney. Study after study going back to 2004 has been published, showing that internet downloading has no negative effect on sales.

  • Jonathan Schoonmaker

    March 14, 2013 at 1:31 am

    Which song at the Baltimore concert was the one where you crowd surfed? Because I found some clips from that show on Youtube and I was curious.

    • March 14, 2013 at 12:56 pm

      Creeping Death. First song. If you can find me, that would be amazing!

      • Jonathan Schoonmaker

        March 14, 2013 at 3:02 pm
        I saw a couple crowd surfs so it’s hard for me to pinpoint the exact one. The ones I noticed were at 3:43, 5:25, and 6:51.

  • March 14, 2013 at 3:37 am

    Thank you guys! You made the last two hours of my AutoCAD work a little easier. I think I might go back and listen to your Zep Audio Slaught… Mr. and Mrs. AVGN, you are both so humble and encourage my relationship. Thanks again. Looking forward to the Movie!!!

  • RoadkillRobin

    March 14, 2013 at 3:43 am

    Just wanted to mention something about the Death Magnetic production. The album sounds very flat and distorted. I’ll try to explain. To avoid digital distortion you put something called a limiter at the meter just right before it starts to distort. What the limiter does is that it takes those sounds peaks and pushes em down to were you can’t hear em anymore. That way you can push the overall volume up more, but the problem is the more you do it, the more stuff gets pushed down until you don’t have any ballance between loud sounds and quit sounds anymore. The way this affeckt the sound is that the drums and other instuments with alot of attack in em starts to sound flat. If you push the volume even more then it starts to sound distorted. Not coz of digital distortion but coz the limiter is kinda getting overloaded. Labels always try to get the audio engineers to push the volume higher coz they think a loud album gets more atention and sells better. Love the show btw, We have a very simular taste in music 🙂

  • March 14, 2013 at 3:45 am

    Metallica is awesome… BUT YOU NEED TO DO MEGADETH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Old Hay

      March 14, 2013 at 4:20 am

      As someone who went through almost the exact same discovery arc of Metallica’s music as James, but ended up highly critical of their later work instead, maybe I can shed some light on how I came to think the way I do; not that I really want to stick my neck out on behalf of uptight metal snobs, but on the other end, I got the feeling that there was a touch of uncritical blanket acceptance of all their music coming from what to me sounds like sentimental loyalty. No offense, that’s just been my experience and if I’m wrong then I apologize.

      Anyways, in the beginning you asked of each other the crucial question, “What about Metallica stood out?” and you gave answers that I broadly agree with. However, for me anyways, what stood out for me was that this music was fast and heavy. Not to put too fine a point on it, but that’s what made it different to me. I had never heard any band play music that not only sounded so fast, but kept the heaviness of individual notes that typically you have to play much slower to allow them to resonate. I later heard bands like Slayer and all sundry manner of death metal bands, and while I liked them, to me Metallica’s guitar sound remained somewhat sacred to me. It didn’t sound “buzzy” or “fuzzy”, like the way a lot of classic rock guitar tone or garage rock or hipster-punk or whatever does. Each note rang out, low, smooth and clear. Other bands have done this as well, from Testament to Solstice to even Nile, but Metallica blew me away at first.

      That’s why to me, to call albums like “Load”, “Reload” and “St. Anger” ‘heavy’ seems utterly alien. The guitar tone was sort of fuzzy and the riffs sounded “boingy”, for lack of a more accessible description. I’ve attempted to compare it to the sound of a spring in a Looney Tunes cartoon, a bug zapper, and a country-western trucker riff with various success, but to me, the later albums just aren’t heavy because they sound more “fuzzy” or “boingy”. The main riff to “I Dissappear” is a prime example, it sounds like something Sylvester the Cat would rig up to reach Tweety’s cage, not a Metallica riff.

      Beyond that, the music got slower, James’ voice started to seem less like the soaring bellow of his earlier years and more like some drawling yodel, and I just felt like the band and their fans were lying to me when they attempted to justify their actions with that all-purpose phrase, “they’re experimenting.” Well why bother? I’ve heard muddy, sludgy riffs before, there’s no shortage of Kyuss or Melvins albums you can buy if you really want to know what that would sound like. It just seemed like they weren’t even trying to account for what seemed at times like an excuse to play less technically challenging, sophisticated music with more radio appeal, or crossover nu-metal marketability.

      Long story short? I know where to find sludge-metal albums if I want to “experiment”, and now that Metallica sounds like they’re just trying to imitate the generation that came after them, what remains about them that distinguished them? I’m not that sentimental.

      • Old Hay

        March 14, 2013 at 4:21 am

        Ah christ, that wasn’t supposed to be typed as a reply. Sorry!

  • Midori

    March 14, 2013 at 4:27 am

    I used to listen to Metallica… then I found Sonata Arctica (my current favourite band), Blind Guardian, Stratovarius, Edguy, and I never came back :c

  • goes.2.eleven

    March 14, 2013 at 4:58 am

    I have always been a huge Classic Rock fan from the time I was old enough to walk, but Metallica was my gateway to Metal for sure. They were exactly what I needed to hear as a teen and they opened me up to more Metal as my musical tastes expanded.
    A couple points:
    1. I have always felt that the fan backlash that came out of the whole Napster incident was ridiculous. It’s like getting mad at the shop keeper for putting locks on his doors.
    2. St. Anger is definitely a “riff album”. I remember buying it as soon as it came out and being completely distracted by the odd snare reverb. The songs are good for the most part, though and the album is filled with great riffs. The album art is pretty kick ass, too.
    I’m loving all the music related vids and podcasts! Keep up the great work!

    • Old Hay

      March 14, 2013 at 6:03 am

      As has been reiterated before, there’s no scientific evidence that file sharing negatively impacts record sales, and plenty that it has no effect whatsoever. Your metaphorical shopkeeper isn’t locking up a shop of his owning in this instance, he’s locking the doors on a public museum.

      At any rate, I’d have actually given Metallica a pass on that thing if they were still writing fast, booming, sophisticated music instead of that twangy hillbilly stuff they started doing.

      • goes.2.eleven

        March 15, 2013 at 1:23 am

        “locking the doors on a public museum”… This would only be true if Metallica’s music was public domain. It’s not, so you can’t really claim that they tried to lock up public property.
        My point is simply that I understand why they did what they did, and that they weren’t necessarily wrong for wanting to keep control of their intellectual property. I also don’t think it’s necessarily wrong to download music if you are trying to expand your horizons (everyone has a budget after all), but everybody got so caught up in the storm that it polarized the fan base, and that is ridiculous.

      • Old Hay

        March 15, 2013 at 11:34 am

        People don’t “steal” articles on display at museums, either; they can only observe and record them. Metallica’s music doesn’t need to be public domain for the analogy to hold.

        “Intellectual property” is a grotesque concept to begin with. Most people only acknowledge it out of sheer cultural inertia because we’ve grown up with it. Intellectual property rights were literally nonexistent in Imperial Germany in the 1880’s, which did nothing to stifle the development and distribution of all literature and scientific works and led to an explosion of knowledge among members of the general German public. I’d like to know what kind of justice there is in a system where Einstein can’t claim E=Mc^2 as his intellectual property (nor should he be able to even if he so desired), but some goofball who wrote an episode of Full House can roll in royalty checks for the rest of his life.

  • March 14, 2013 at 9:22 am

    Sweet, was looking forward to this. I hope AC/DC gets its own episode

  • Mr. Simon

    March 14, 2013 at 10:22 am

    I loved St. Anger when it came out, probably because I was very angry at the time. I was only 11 when it came, probably heard it when I was 12, but I was very alone as a kid because everyone in my school were assholes. I only heard the song St. Anger at first and it was so cathartic. I even fell asleep to it sometimes because it released so much anxiety. Later on I heard the whole album and I still love it, so does my best friend. AC/DC said it best, it’s dirty, mean and mighty unclean. And that’s why it’s awesome.

    • Jcr3ws

      March 14, 2013 at 10:56 am

      St. Anger is the grittiest album imo, even over …In Justice. I use to fall asleep to St. Anger as well… maybe its a Sweet Amber , its Some Kind Of Monster inside us with an Unnamed Feeling, an Invisible Kid; Frantic to be seen in My World, or a Dirty Window screaming Shoot Me Agian with that windex… aah I’m talking out my ass sorry

      • neggie

        March 14, 2013 at 1:22 pm

        id have to agree i was about the same age as well. when st anger came out i burned lol from a friend and it was a great way to escape also opened me and my friends to more of what other genres had to offer

  • Drainpipe

    March 14, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Nice analysis..tnx. For me it stops after …and justice for all. I’m, like you say, an 80’s purist. But I think it’s a difference if you discovered them from the beginning or somwhere in the middle, say 90’s. If you knew them from the beginning, everytime a new album came out, you were expecting something better. But for me that didn’t happen after the fourth album, although the black album isn’t bad, it didn’t have an impact anymore. For me that was anyways. I have to admit I was more into Megadeth than Metallica. I think Metallica was lucky to be the first band to put out a thrash metal album. But there were more bands who played basically the same style in those days. Exodus, Slayer, Blind Illusion(didn’t came out until 1988), and don’t forget the most underrated band from that time The Mighty METAL CHURCH….yeah they were awesome then. All that in the year 1982 or a few years before. Well anyway, thnx for the audio.

    • Old Hay

      March 14, 2013 at 7:44 pm

      This isn’t strictly true. Metallica may have released the first full-length thrash LP, but the distinction of releasing the first-ever thrash recording of any kind goes to Overlill’s “Unleash The Beast Within” demo, edging out Metallica, Slayer and many other bands by several months in 1981. For my money, Overkill are a far better example of a band evolving over 30 years without using “evolution” as an excuse to wuss out and write country-western meets sludge songs.

      • Empty_Words

        March 16, 2013 at 12:45 am

        well said sir

  • Tom Åsberg

    March 14, 2013 at 11:53 am

    Please do one on Mötley Crüe! It would be so appropriate, given the thought that they are retiring soon. I would love to hear comments on them! 😀

  • John Shepard

    March 14, 2013 at 1:50 pm


  • Joel Titchkosky

    March 14, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    The part about Napster and file sharing missed a huge point. Metallica got exposed to the metal fan base through tape sharing. Which is basically the early 80’s version of file sharing. Without people sharing their demo of ‘No life till leather’ would Metallica even be around today? And on another note, the reason why there is a huge divide between old Metallica and everything after the Black album, is because they lost touch with what made them popular with metal fans in the first place. No longer working class, hard drinking, hard living musicians, but art collecting, writing songs for traffic school douches.

  • fantasticfink

    March 14, 2013 at 10:20 pm

    I was wondering if you’ve heard Newsted’s new band, “Newsted” (creative name, I know) and what you think of it. I don’t know if he’s trying to pull a Megadeth and try to out-do Metallica or what. Some of the lyrics in their single “Soldierhead” certainly seem that way.

    Great podcast. Thanks!

  • Apparition

    March 15, 2013 at 3:07 am

    Thanks for making these James and Mrs. James. They’re nice to listen to while I do homework.

  • March 15, 2013 at 11:33 am

    I didn’t hate St. Anger like most other people, at first I glad they returned to a much heavier sound, and, as you guys mentioned I love the lo-fi sound the album had.

    I think my biggest complaint with the album is Lars’ drumming. It sounds so off tempo and that clanging snare drum gets annoying, especially on the song St. Anger. If memory serves me correctly, In the “Some Kind of Monster” Documentary the other band members were criticizing his drumming-style choices during the recording of the album.

    But anyway, that’s just my opinion. I still think it’s better than Reload.

    • Old Hay

      March 15, 2013 at 12:11 pm

      I’d like it if someone expanded on why they think St. Anger sounded heavy. To me, the guitars sound just about as twangy and buzzy as they did in the prior two Metallica releases, probably much more so. It just seemed that when the 90’s rolled around and Pantera and Korn came out, it was uncool to have a crisp, bright, deep guitar tone, and it had to sound twangy and boingy and sort of like a jew’s harp.

  • GorgeousBones

    March 16, 2013 at 10:09 am

    Hellraiser is actually as much a Lemmy song as it is Ozzy’s, it’s just that Ozzy released it first.

    Do Motorhead next, please!

  • GorgeousBones

    March 16, 2013 at 10:11 am

    Also, as far as “funny” covers go check out Megadeth’s version of “These boots are made for Walking”!

  • March 16, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    I listened to St. Anger again after hearing this show. It is not as bad as many make it out to be but it does get a little old after a few songs. The feel of many of the songs is too similar and they blend together. I’d rather listen to this than Load, or Reload, these days. I usually can only take one song at a time from the Load albums. They do not stand the test of time as well for me. St. Anger does have 3 songs that belong on a best of Metallica List..they are Some Kind of Monster, Sweet Amber, and The Unnamed Feeling.

  • poisontongue

    March 17, 2013 at 12:08 am

    Metallica is so important to me – I cannot imagine where I’d be in an audio sense without having encountered their music. And it’s a base I can return to at any time.

  • highsouth

    March 17, 2013 at 12:44 am

    Love Metallica Love you guys So Many feelings that I share with you guys and i love LOAD RE- LOAD and ST> ANGRYYYYY. CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH CAREFUL WHAT YOU SAY!!!! Love you James and Co….

  • ejp022791

    March 17, 2013 at 4:24 am

    St. Anger really isn’t as bad as everyone says it is. James, if you really made that shirt that you mentioned I would buy it, hahaha.

  • HomingMissiles

    March 17, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    St. Anger was my introduction to Metallica. I agree that it’s not the atrocity that people made it to be, but it’s not the best way to get into the band either. I remember MTV playing the crap out of “Frantic”, which I thought was the silliest song ever. Thankfully a friend of mine let me borrow their early albums and my initial bad impression was properly straightened out.

  • Arttu Lehtinen

    March 19, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    Both podcasts have been great stuff and I am happy to get confirmation that James is of the Metal Clan. Mrs James was also very good. Concerning St. Anger, i am one those people who don’t like it very much. But for me it is not the sounds per se because i listen black metal and other quite rugged stuff and usually my ears adjust. With St. anger the problem is the drumming as was mentioned and the songs are just not so interesting for my taste. But my introduction metal is atypical for metalhead because Metallica wasn’t the gateway and i was litle older and calmer when i started to listen it, so i didn’t have the need to vent out teenage-angst. But i respect the opinions of those who like it and i actually know one guy who also don’t consider it too bad so you are not alone in the world! Finally a quick question: How familiar are you (mr and mrs James) about European metal scene?

  • Inspector Butters

    March 20, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    James, you and “Mrs.” did a great job on the podcast and I hope you will do more as time permits. If you do, I would like to make a suggestion: Would you be able to do a quick blog post with a list of the bands you’re planning to review in the future? It would be a great way to get everyone excited about what’s to come. If you don’t have time, no biggie, then it can be a cool surprise instead :). Sidebar: you both mentioned there might be a little one by the time you do your next one, so I thought I’d ask this one for fun- What will “Baby’s” first Halloween costume be? Thanks again for a great podcast and all the best to you both! 🙂

  • Mola Ram

    March 20, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    Everyone who wants to hear what Justice could have sounded like needs to hear this:

    I’m a bassist, and the argument of him “playing with the guitar” for the reason you can’t hear him is silly. MOST rock/metal bassists do that. Metallica has made a habit of burying the bass in their mixes.

  • culwin

    March 20, 2013 at 7:46 pm


  • March 20, 2013 at 11:22 pm

    So I finally got around to lisen to two hours of you guys talk about Metallica…awesome podcast! And ok, I thought after your plea I give St. Anger another go…and guess what…it still sucks ass 😉 I’m sorry, I know it’s subjective, I’m 34 and my first Metallica album was justice, I was 10 years old and an older friend of mine put his headphones on my ears, and it was playing Justice for all, and I was hooked to Metal from that day on. Nevertheless I love the Black Album, I grew up with that album, but I hate Load, I was 16 years old when that came out and I felt so betrayed. As I grew older, I recognized that there are some good songs, but it’s not Metallica for me. But after the St. Anus desaster, I really LOVE Deah Magnetic! And that’s coming from a guy who “evolved” to today being more a Melodic Death Metal guy, but I look forward to every new Metallice, Iron Maiden, Slayer or Megadeth album (althougt 13 was not that good).
    Concerning the cover songs, I would recommend some cover songs that aren’t from the “big” bands, although my first recommendation is Marylin Manson – Sweet Dreams (original by Eurythmics). Here are some more:
    Caliban – Sonne (original by Rammstein)..yes, I’m German 😉
    Blind Guardian – To France (original by Mike Oldfield)
    The whole Metal Jukebox album from Helloween
    Fozzy – Livewire (original by Mötley Crüe)
    Gammy Ray – It’s A Sin (original by Pet Shop Boys)
    Sepultura – Orgasmatron (original by Motörhead)
    Trivium – Slave New World (original by Sepultura)
    And I’m probably forgetting a hundreed songs more

  • Art Vandelay

    March 22, 2013 at 1:10 am

    Well I’ve been visiting this site for years now but I finally decided to make myself an account just for this post. Metallica was THE band that helped me expand beyond the world of three chord music and realize how much metal can be. Since then, I have slowly over time moved past Metallica and gotten into what are, at least for me, bigger and better things. That being said, nearly all the music that I listen to post Metallica has been in some way inspired, motivated by, and even affected by Metallica. I feel it is worth noting that although a lot of what I seem to be listening to nowadays is prog, a fair majority of it incorporates metal into their sound and being as they are in some way metal bands, even they have been heavily influenced by Metallica.

    What eventually led me away from Metallica was the realization that Metal as a genre is very flawed and over hyped. Metal does not put much effort on musicianship and the lack of very much melody in Thrash is to me now off putting. When I first started learning songs on bass, I thought Cliff was the absolute be all end all of the instrument and yet, after discovering the talents of the old school jazzers (and even the new ones too), I got past him and simply pegged as the best in Metal music. Eventually, even in that genre I began to feel that he was no where near the talents of Dan Briggs or Martin Mendez. A guitar playing friend (and band member) of mine went through this very same progression with Metallica.

    So why feel so compelled to post a comment down playing Metallica? All in all, I still feel something for this band and feel saddened that I can’t feel the way I used to about them. It is funny to see so much hate fly their way these days since it definitely seems like not many people would get away with bashing them in the 80s. Whether people like it or not Metallica will always be THE number one Metal band simply based off of influence. Anyone who likes this genre of music will either listen to Metallica, or listen to bands influenced by them. Even many grunge bands were into them as well. Kurt Cobain was a friend of Kirk Hammett’s and listen to their music.

    At nearly every “metal” oriented gig I have played I have seen bands that are still deeply rooted in old school Metallica and that proves that despite all the talk of selling out, not sticking to their roots, being bad since this or that record, they will still have accomplished more and done more for Metal than any other band has before, has done since, and quite very possibly ever will.

    P.S. Just to annoy some of the buttmad fans of only the first four or five albums, Death Magnetic is their most musically complete and interesting album by far; as far as personal tastes go, at a close second for me comes Load.

    • GiovanniRomano

      March 26, 2013 at 5:13 pm

      Random and curious question for you: do you like any other forms of metal and specifically those of the extreme metal genre? I started with Metallica and Megadeth, but I personally branched into the extreme genres and always wondered if there were others here who were fans of Cinemassacre that enjoyed the style that I do!

  • Moderus

    March 23, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    I dig it.

  • March 28, 2013 at 4:38 am

    Thanks for the awesome podcast! Among other things, it was great to see some St Anger love for a change.

    Have you checked out some of the 2012 concert footage such as Fight Fire With Fire in Nickelsdorf, Austria or Blackened in Prague? I was surprised just how damn heavy Hetfield’s vocals sounded. Hope to hear some of that in the next album.

    So, any chance of a Megadeth podcast in the future?

  • Megathunder

    March 28, 2013 at 8:30 pm

    Once i asked a radio station to play and dedicate a song to my girlfriend. It was midnight… and let them choose the song. I thought they would put Iron Maiden or something. The music they put/choose, around 2am, was “So fucking what”, by Metallica….
    Fan of both.

  • DarknessDescends

    March 28, 2013 at 9:54 pm

    One of my favorite bands all time is the Misfits. They’re known for their horror themes. Seeing you as a big time horror movie buff, will you make a podcast about the Misfits?

  • mike keith

    March 29, 2013 at 12:04 am

    not sure if this will get read by you James, but there is a very good band that has been around for a bit called Mastodon. many people might have heard them from the beginning of Aqua Teen Hunger Force the movie, they play the “snacks” song, but that song doesn’t even begin to give them justice. JAMES, you love movies and stories, so you will find Mastodon to be one of the greatest storytelling bands of all time. almost all of there albums have a theme and/or tell a complete story. YOU will not be disappointed. you can play some of there stuff on YouTube, but it will not be the same as playing a whole CD from beginning to end, like watching a movie. download an album, buy and album, or steal one, lol,

  • March 29, 2013 at 12:35 am

    hey james,do you listen to any extreme genre of metal like death metal,black metal,folk metal, etc.

    • GiovanniRomano

      March 29, 2013 at 2:38 pm

      I thought of asking him the same question! Some people stop at Metallica as the heaviest and some like me have listened to extreme metal for 20 years!

  • Erik

    March 30, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    Awesome! Metallica was once my defining stone in music. I concur with them being a gateway metal band, being introduced to it as about 5 years old (load).

    I really have to agree with the comment mentioning Opeth.
    Could be hard to get in to if not acceptant to growling, but their melody is absolutely enchanting and they have very powerful songs. The growling is the best as far as growling goes, it grows hugely on you even if in doubt at first.

  • RGT-Max

    April 2, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    Plz Megadeth next time ^^

  • Creedswede

    April 10, 2013 at 10:40 am

    James Hetfield Yeah! supercut

  • Alex

    April 13, 2013 at 6:11 pm

    great stuff, as usual. cant believe you both only really got into metallica with load 🙂

  • Keydsimon

    April 17, 2013 at 4:53 am

    This was very entertaining and fun to listen to.

    Metallica is definitely in my top 3 favorites bands, I am glad you did a podcast on them. These guys are so important in the culture of rock/metal, it was a logical choice.

    I agree with you about Saint-Anger. That record sounds like it’s the product of some guys named James Hetfield, Kirk Hammett and Lars Ulrich that nobody knew. I don’t listen to it like it’s their 8th album, I listen to it like it’s a demo, recorded in some garage. That makes, for me, a totally different experience.

    Like your wife, Death Magnetic was the first Metallica album that I actively waited for. I was not disappointed ! That’s what great of Metallica, everybody loves them, the age makes no difference.

    Anyway, this new “audio slaugther” serie is great ! The content is good, the research is well-made and the topics are interesting. I like that since it is audio only, I can listen to it in the train.

    Keep it up ! Thanks for the entertainment !

  • April 18, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    Make moar!!!

  • April 18, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    Great live album: ELP Pictures at an Exhibition, it’s not metal but it’s rock and music and great 🙂

  • Marc Neilson

    April 21, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    And Justice For All i don’t like how Quiet the bass because i play bass. my least favourite Metallica album is the black album i don’t know why i just don’t like it as much.

  • BrockLobster

    April 27, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    I would recommend giving Dream Theater a shot, if you guys like variety. They’re my favorite band, and I started with Metallica when I was younger.

  • nando magoo

    April 28, 2013 at 6:54 am

    Awesome podcast guys!!

  • ejp022791

    April 28, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    While I do agree that people saying Death Magnetic sucks JUST because of the mixing are nitpicking, the mixing really is bad. However, the Guitar Hero III version of the album didn’t have the compression issues that the retail version did and I highly recommend to James and everybody else that they hunt it down and download it because it is far superior in the sound quality department.

  • Evan Hegstrom

    May 3, 2013 at 11:57 pm

    “Piss Christ” was actually made for Fear Factory’s (My Favorite Band) song “Pisschrist”. Fear Factory is a fantastic band that started in 1989 and still makes awesome music to this day. My favorite song by them has to be “Powershifter” or “Human Shields” I highly recommend them if you like Metallica.
    Thanks for reading.

  • Lawrence Chamberlain

    May 10, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    I am still listening to this episode whilst typing this up. I just wanted to say that Though St. Anger is not my favourite Metallica album but The Unnamed Feeling means a lot to me. It is the song I listen to when I am upset and I just want to think about my problems. This was a really great episode so keep it up!

  • jordan deaville

    June 12, 2013 at 12:40 am

    what about the metallica cover of turn the page by bob seager

  • Alex Soco

    July 7, 2013 at 10:45 am

    Fucking A!! podcast there. I wish you make one with, for me, the best 90s metal band, and the last really big band I think. Of course, fucking PANTERA. what do you think James, come on man! greetings from Argentina!

  • Michael Klemer

    July 21, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    Metallica is one of my favorite metal bands of all. I’m only 14, and I currently only listen to some of the classics.. The first metal experience I had was actually Dio, after I listened to some of my dad’s cd’s. Metallica was the second band I listened to and now I’m getting into Maiden and Sabbath (which I already heared alittle).

  • Michael Klemer

    July 21, 2013 at 6:59 pm

    Also, Fade to Black was the first Metallica song I listened to, and it is one of my favorites by them.

  • February 13, 2014 at 1:12 am

    I like Metallica’s live aLbum Live Shit: Binge & Purge. I listen to it weekly.

  • February 22, 2014 at 6:51 pm

    I was not really expecting to hear all of this when I clicked the play button. It’s great that the both you of like Metallica as much as you all do!

    I listen to a lot of bands that cover many genres of metal as do a lot of my friends and acquaintances. Unfortunately a majority of those people I know have no problem expressing how much they love riding the ‘Tallica-hating gravy train since it is the cool thing for those involved in the underground heavy metal spectrum to do so. That being said, it’s always great to hear other people express appreciation for all of Metallica’s work, and with great attention to detail in regards to the history of the band and you guys’ personal experiences. Hearing you both mention how great of a song “Low Man’s Lyric” is just made me squee with delight, especially considering that I personally have been binging on “Load” and “Reload” these past few years; both of those albums have that catchy, nut-kicking rawness that is hard to ignore. “Thorn Within” has remained to be my favorite Metallica song since I started that binge.

    This is the first of your “Audio Slaughter” segments that I have listened to. I’m looking forward to hearing the others and any future related podcasts should you choose to do more!

  • Kristopher Porter

    April 1, 2014 at 5:39 pm

    In regards to St. Anger. My band back in 2003-2004 played with a band called MoJo Filter from Pittsburgh and they use to cover 4 songs from St. Anger and its was the best sounding coolest music ever! After hearing there version vs Metallica, I could finally kinda get into the Metallica version. However, the issues with the snare was completely intentional, Lars had set up this whole campaign to revolutionize snare sound and sold his brand name snares that sound like that shitty snare on the album. At best it was a failed experiment that ruined the album. I would like to hear a re-mix with only the snare sound changed and I bet it would be awesome. Similarly you can listen to versions of AJFA… on youtube with the bass guitar, but I don’t think that is as good, something about that high pitched guitar and sound on that album that rocks!! Great review guys!!

  • September 21, 2014 at 11:53 am

    Could you please do an audio slaughter on iron maiden and van halen please

  • QuesoCFH

    December 19, 2014 at 11:49 pm

    So I just discovered this “Audio Slaughter” series and I realize I’m way late here…

    I was surprised James didn’t include Pantera’s cover of Black Sabbath’s “Planet Caravan” in his honorable mentions of cover songs. He named a bunch of Black Sabbath songs that had been covered, and a few Pantera cover versions of songs, but not Planet Caravan. My favorite album is “Far Beyond Driven” and Planet Caravan was such a cool way to finish it off after kicking your ass for 11 songs…

    A few other great cover songs:
    -Sepultura cover of Bob Marley’s “War”
    -Jimi Hendrix cover of Bob Dylan’s “All Along The Watchtower”
    -Pantera cover of Poison Idea’s “The Badge”
    -Strapping Young Lad cover of Judas Priest’s “Exciter”
    -Guns n Roses cover of Wing’s “Live and Let Die”
    -Mindless Self Indulgence cover of Rush’s “Tom Sawyer”
    -Faith No More cover of The Commodore’s “Easy”

    and I gotta mention, even though it’s not a cover, Lil Jon’s song “Stop Fucking With Me” which is him rapping over the music of Slayer’s “Raining Blood”

  • santana telles

    March 25, 2015 at 7:47 pm

    the artist used bull semen and his blood.

  • DeathBlow

    April 11, 2015 at 5:14 pm

    BTW, If you are wondering what kind of headphones… give the following a listen and call me in the morning.

  • Robert Krzewski

    April 12, 2015 at 5:00 pm

    I’ve listened to this recording twice, you should upload all of these “Audio Slaughter” recordings to YouTube, so more people can find out about them.

    • Larry Hood

      October 21, 2016 at 7:25 pm

      No Joke. I’ve always tried to absorb all Cinemassacre material and I only TODAY found these.

  • January 23, 2016 at 1:09 pm

    I remember being in 4th grade (86) and by this time I was into iron maiden & Judas Priest because my uncles and cousins where all into it, but my friend in 6th grade gave me Ride The Lightning and that was it from then on I got into thrash, by 92 got into Motörhead & Misfits. I love Metallica because of there punk and sabbath influence. Unfortunately they lost me by 94 but and justice & 5.98 ep garage days are my favorite. Great podcast, I’m just finding these out and would love more, thank u.

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