SNES vs Sega Genesis (Part 2)

James / August 15th, 2012

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  • Joe Gutierrez

    August 15, 2012 at 7:29 pm

    YES!!!! Part 2 is here, baby!

  • mrsleep

    August 15, 2012 at 7:30 pm

    Thanks for not making us wait too long for part 2!

  • Samuraikill

    August 15, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    Part 2 ftw.

  • radiopools

    August 15, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    That was way quicker than I expected! Someone’s working overtime πŸ™‚ Love this idea though, great work!

  • toolman5944

    August 15, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    That was fast. So glad you are back. Looking forward to watching my regularly scheduled nerd videos.

  • CutTheRug

    August 15, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    This is so awesome. i’m like 3 minutes in and a can’t believe how thorough you are. even talking about game boxes.

  • NordicFortune

    August 15, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    The look on your face after the “a BIT better” pun, hahaha!

  • guitarfreak8188

    August 15, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    Awesome! I agree, I’ve purchased so many copies of Link to the Past over the past few years because its likely my favorite game ever made as well. Having the option to pick it up and play on my Wii or my GBA is great!

    I agree with your assessment James!

  • top

    August 15, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    Very nice. I’m glad you did an open-minded review of both of the consoles and didn’t completely take the fanboy route. You were definitely right choosing SNES over Genesis in games. SNES has more classic, head turning, world-renown games.

  • Eltanin

    August 15, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    Thank you guys for the work you put into these videos.

    SNES forever!

  • August 15, 2012 at 7:59 pm

    YEAH! 16 BIT!

    When he was comparing the music, I was astonished when he included Final Fantasy VI. James rarely ever mentions RPGs. Incredible music!

    When it comes to comparing the games, I also feel that the SNES takes the cake. There are many other great Genesis that stand up to the competition though. Perhaps James and many others never had a chance to play some of the more memorable Genesis titles. I’ll make a short list here, for anyone who happens to be interested.

    – Shining Force I
    – Shining Force II
    – Gunstar Heroes
    – Rocket Knight Adventures
    – Phantasy Star IV (If you’re going to play any one PS, play this one)
    – RIstar
    – Comix Zone
    – Lost Vikings
    – Kid Chameleon
    – Strider
    – Pulseman
    – The whole Road Rash series
    – All of the Splatterhouse games
    – Mega Man the Wily Wars
    – Dynamite Headdy
    – Alien Soldier
    – Shadowrun

  • Stick

    August 15, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    That was most excellent. Makes me want to dig out my consoles. I never owned many games, I rented more, but I played the crap out of what I had like Donkey Kong Country, General Chaos, and Streets of Rage. Was never a Mario or a Metroid fan so I spent more time with Genesis. Long live 16 bit is right.

  • qwsed

    August 15, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    You know. The European version of the SNES is alot more sexy than the American release. You probobly know of it but forgot about it. But its far more sexy than the genesis.

  • Duke Jaywalker

    August 15, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    Nintendo is what Genesisn’t !

  • hotstew

    August 15, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy VI, Terranigma, the golden era of JRPGs.
    How much more mature can you get than attempted suicide and self-sacrifice? COD, now that’s a game for kids.

  • jdshald

    August 15, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    great retrospective. having conversations with your younger self was what made the episode great.

    you should do an episode where you argue with the angry video game nerd over the review of a game and you be yourself. that would be funny.

  • Gage

    August 15, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    I know this was much loser to your childhood but any chance aat all of a N64 vs PS1. These are my childhood consoles and I had a N64 which i loved but at the school during lunch this argument that was always going. I saw friendships broken up over the fact that someone got a ps1 instead of a n64 or vise versa

  • Hicksguts

    August 15, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    Brand me a Sega boy. I never had a SNES, but there’s reason. Nintendo was known as a family system. This spoke to me as a kid. I wanted the original Mortal Kombat with more blood and gore. I wanted burps and farts(Beavis and Butthead). In the SNES version, Butthead didn’t fart. Yeah, I have a simple mind. All I can say is- Genesis does what Ninten… Alright, if I finish that sentence someone will murder me.

  • MisterCerberus

    August 15, 2012 at 8:08 pm

    While it is true that the SNES has MORE brilliant games, it’s hard for me not to like the Mega Drive better when I own Streets of Rage 2, the best game ever made, and James Pond 3, which might be the greatest 16-bit game.
    There is an SNES version of James Pond 3, but oh man is it garbage that just vomits over how great that game is.

    In fact when it came to games that were on both consoles, my experience is that the Mega Drive version is almost always better in terms of graphics, music, and gameplay. A couple of famous exceptions, of course.

  • candlewax

    August 15, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    The console turning yellow is actually a chemical reaction from UV rays. You can reverse this yellowing with a witches brew of oxyclean and a few other things I cant remember at the moment. They have videos for it on youtube.

  • Czab

    August 15, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    RESOLUTION! Hahahahahaha! πŸ˜€ LMAO

  • Czab

    August 15, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    I’m sorry, I mean RESOLUATION πŸ˜€

  • Keith the Genesis Geek

    August 15, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    Too bad Fatal Fury 2 was not compared.

    No Robocop vs. Terminator comparison?

    Streets of Rage 1 is the only clunky 1.

    The Genesis has so many hidden jem’s like “Growl” “Mazin Saga Mutant Fighter” , “Valis” “TWO CRUDE DUDES” etc.. It’s a library worth looking deep into.

    The Cheesiness of The Sega Genesis breaks the tie for me, PLUS WE GOT A FUN CHEETAHMEN GAME WITH THE BEST MUSIC EVER!!!

    Love the video and I LOVE SUPER NINTENDO TOO!!

  • August 15, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    Sweet work and yes, of course, SNES was way, way better.

  • August 15, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    he should do it with all the console generations!

  • Billy Blanks

    August 15, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    No, little James ( Jimmy) had it right. It will take CENTURIES to top the SNES! Sure newer consoles have better sound/graphics..but, to this day, the ONLY console that achieved perfection for its time, was Super Nintendo!

  • rudy023

    August 15, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    I will give you that Super Nintendo may have been better, but I call bullshit on an unlicenced add-on that lets you play NES games giving that round to Nintendo. Genesis had that category! Sound & graphics, definately SNES though.

    I had both growing up. I bought MK on Genesis for the blood, but when I heard MK2 would have blood on both consoles, I went with SNES….no contest!

  • Xyno

    August 15, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    It’s a little bit normal about the sounds…
    The soundchip on snes was using samples in 12bit if I remember well
    The Genesis is a simple FM Soundchip.
    So in a sense it was easier to pull some great sounds with the snes when on the genesi you totally need to work on your sounds if you want it to be a little bit good ! πŸ˜›

  • setsunapoa

    August 15, 2012 at 9:00 pm


  • cedarus

    August 15, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    I noticed that you renamed Magus to Janus
    James Rolfe confirmed for being a true Chrono Trigger fan
    : )

  • uberrainman

    August 15, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    Ok, just hearing the FF3 music makes me want to go play it. Such an awesome game. Between that and Chrono Trigger, the best RPG’s ever made.

  • LordGeo

    August 15, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    Great video, James, but you have to admit that you went into a fair bit of SNES fanboy-ish behavior in the second half. I can understand that you mainly grew up with a Sega Genesis as a kid, but considering how you did seem to keep any fanboy-ish behavior to a minimum it was annoying to see you start to sound like a SNES fanboy in the last moments. I don’t know if Mike grew up any different, but this video really should have had a second opinion to help push the whole “Versus” idea.

    Also, I agree on calling bullshit on you being willing to use an unlicensed SNES add-on that lets you play NES & Famicom games just to give the SNES the advantage in terms of backwards compatibility (where is should be a tie), yet you strictly didn’t want to bring up the Genesis 6-button controller, which would have made the controller argument a tie in the end, as well. Let’s face it, once the 6-button came out no one ever used the 3-button Genesis controller, so forcing yourself to restrict yourself to only the 3-button is kind of silly, not to mention that the 6-button gave the Genesis the same number of buttons as the SNES controller… Though, admittedly, only a handful of games actually utilized the Mode button on the top of the controller.

  • ptbibble25

    August 15, 2012 at 9:19 pm


  • LordGeo

    August 15, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    Oops, I meant that James mainly grew up with a SNES as a kid, not a Sega Genesis. My bad, but the point still stands.

  • mortabius

    August 15, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    Yea what made my choice was the final fantasy series,god the music and sounds were amazing back then,and it helped that they had the best stories too! FF6 is still my all time fav.

  • psycotrip

    August 15, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    I think the most forgotten Genesis game has to be Wiz ‘n’ Liz.

  • August 15, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    Great video, as always. I hope to get a Super Nintendo soon.

  • Storm

    August 15, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    Love these videos. I hope you’ll consider doing a N64 vs. PlayStation series. I’m not sure to what extent you experienced those two, but it’s always great to hear you opinions on more recent games.

  • floridaboy

    August 15, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    Springboard sucks monkey jizz and elephant ass.

  • zelda_freak

    August 15, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    I can’t believe james didn’t mention secret of mana for best sound, the score was unbelievable!

  • angryatarinerd

    August 15, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    Well i agree with james but it just depends really witch consle advertisment or tv comercial you saw that influenced you the most like i saw the snes and by the time i saw sega i was already taken and didnt i didnt care about it thats what i thinck every one is differnt.

  • floridaboy

    August 15, 2012 at 10:16 pm

    512 X 448 …That’s twice the re-sol-you-ation as other 16-bit video games…Color layering, big characters and multi-scrolling backgrounds…Jimmy is awesome ! ! !

  • pifflepop

    August 15, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    Oh my god another good Video but 1 thing you missed. When you were talking about RPGs you didn’t even mention Earthbound. That was one of the greatest rpgs on the snes ever made.

  • Thomas Lindell

    August 15, 2012 at 10:24 pm

    Nice! Waited since I saw first one πŸ˜€

  • albertgm

    August 15, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    I noticed that during the video, you used softer, boring music for loser of each category, and you used a faster, more catchy rock alternative for the winner. I like how you use these subtleties to sway people to your point of view, just like you mentioned in part 1, it’s all a marketing strategy πŸ™‚

  • Riknight36

    August 15, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    I grew up with both systems (I actually had the Genesis first), and I can say, without a shadow of a doubt, that the SNES was the better system. The Genesis was great for what it was, but the greatest games of all time were on the SNES. I can still play many of them today and be amazed.

  • iLikeTehGamez

    August 15, 2012 at 10:42 pm

    Super Metroid had better side-scroller controls than any game I’ve ever seen. Using the triggers to aim diagonals, it was just awesome. I don’t think there’s any bottomless pits or instant death in the game. That’s just awesome.

  • delikanli

    August 15, 2012 at 10:47 pm

    I’d have to agree that the Super Nintendo was an all around better system, but I’ve always been big into sports games. Genesis is my winner, but only by a slim margin. If i was more into the Final Fantasy’s and Metroid’s i’d pick SNES hands down

    But I own both, so best of both worlds is better than just one.

  • Warwind

    August 15, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    Long live James…It felt so nice to remember all the debate we had when we were younger. Thanks a lot!

  • smd

    August 15, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    Nice video! I am a Super NES fan all the way, but I agree with the points you gave to Genesis.

    I think you should have mentioned Donkey Kong Country in the graphics category, because it looked so much better than anything else when it came out, and Genesis couldn’t come close. It looked more like 3D rendered animation than flat 2D sprites.

  • ZzZimmy02

    August 15, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    I agree the SNES is the best console all though the genisis is a great console too…. great video πŸ˜€

  • darkrobsl

    August 15, 2012 at 11:08 pm

    Did somebody knows Who create the sounchip for the SNES?? that’s right SONY!!!!

  • Gage

    August 15, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    OK the 16 bit games were awesome its was my first console however i was about 3 but in 97′ the N64 was released in America and i was when 5 got it i loved my snes just for link to the past(i have the remake on the gba and the wii console port) but the n64 vs ps1 is where a lot of your target audience lies. So for the people N64 vs. PS1

  • Ubersnuber

    August 15, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    I was mostly neutral back then. I thought Sega was cooler, but I enjoyed playing both systems. I played way more SNES, though. And Donkey Kong Country made it difficult to look back.
    Props for actually picking a winner!

  • avgnfanfckballs

    August 15, 2012 at 11:56 pm

    GREAT video james. i really loved the younger version of yourself. dont ever stop making videos, your just way too great at making them.

  • itscmillertime

    August 16, 2012 at 12:05 am

    No competition at all, super Nintendo all the way. I mean come on they made a “home improvement” game for it! I was eight when I bought by super Nintendo at toysrus and now I’m a CPA and still love me some donkey kong.

  • thetaboosun

    August 16, 2012 at 12:28 am

    I am of the opinion that, though the race may be tight, the SNES is the greatest console of all time for sheer number of exceptional games. Playstation 1 and 2 are just a peg behind, with XBox 360 and Playstation 3 just behind them. SNES is Michael Phelps, the rest can be Lochte. Lochte’s the future of swimming… but Phelps has annihilated just about every Olympic record known to man. I feel that way about the SNES – I just get that excited about it.

    I still have to play through Final Fantasy Thr… th… six and Chrono Trigger at least once every two or three years or something just feels off.

    But if you want hours of fun with another person – it’s all about Metal Combat: Falcon’s Revenge. Ah, the good ol’ days.

  • strider

    August 16, 2012 at 12:42 am

    Well…you can`t call “Clunky” to the streets of rage series just playing the first one ( very clunky)

    The second and third games are very different, specially the thrid part, with a very high valuable gameplay

  • devsfan26

    August 16, 2012 at 12:58 am

    Great fair and honest review! To be honest, I didn’t own either console at the time, but I played both at friends’ houses. Thank you for pointing out Sega’s supremacy in the sports title department. I believe NBA Jam and NHL ’94 on Genesis are two of the best video games ever made, nonetheless the best sports games of the time. With regard to sound, my favorite has to be Rock n’ Roll Racing on SNES – what a great soundtrack.

  • darxide

    August 16, 2012 at 1:27 am

    Don’t get me wrong. I love Final Fantasy. I love Chrono Trigger. But you can keep them both as long as I have my Phantasy Star and Shining Force series. Phantasy Star II and IV are, in my opinion, up there with the best RPGs ever made and they’re both in my top 5, PS4 taking the #1 spot.

    Also, I’ll have to call bullshit when you give the “backwards compatibility” award to SNES by including 3rd party attachments and such but at the same time don’t count the 6 button controllers for Genesis in the controller category. Seems a little bias bleeding through.

    Bottom line, I always felt that SNES games tended to feel more “sterile” if that makes sense. We all know Genesis had the weaker hardware, but in fairness it did release two full years before the SNES. When you compare just how well the Genesis held up, that’s pretty impressive.

    And yes, I’m a Genesis fan boy if you want to label me, but there’s just something about that system, a feeling that I never got from SNES.

  • Wildside50

    August 16, 2012 at 1:53 am

    Hey James —

    I haven’t played Legend of Zelda Link to the Past since it first came out over 20 years ago and I was what, 12? I have long considered it one of the 3 best games I’ve ever played. Do you think it would hold up today, or should I leave it alone as a well remembered gem?

  • ObSoLeTe

    August 16, 2012 at 2:03 am

    I luved this SNES vs Genesis 2 part video.As much as i luv the AVGN and think its funny as fuck but I personally enjoy these types of videos more. Being around the same age I can definitely relate with you James on that era of gaming, I had both consoles and enjoyed them both the same.

    I would just like to say Thank You and will always look forward to what ever comes next.


  • Nekojin

    August 16, 2012 at 2:04 am

    You know what’s Buuuuuuullshit? SPRINGBOARD!

    I fucking hate that thing. It never works, gives you tons of errors and makes it almost impossible to watch videos outside from North America. What’s wrong with the old player?? Everything was fine. Every time a new video is uploaded to your home page I get so fucking exited to watch it, but I always have to ask myself: Will it work or not. That is so frustrating…

    Ah now I get it! You don’t want to be the only one that gets angry. You want to show us how it feels to be fucking aaangry! You want to make us fucking hate you!!!

    But seriously, please go back to a player that is more user friendly. Thank you.

    O by the way, you know what else is Bullshit? When you are trying to post a comment and get an error message that states that you are a spambot^^

  • stafer

    August 16, 2012 at 2:16 am

    This is a great throw down but when it comes to the two system sales speak for them selves Sega was desperate to keep up with how fast the snes and games where selling, it had better graphics, music for just about any game, great controls mostly, I mean when its all said and done we all know who is the winner over all!

    Lets put it this way James, there’s a reason why the Super Nintendo to this day is still be considered the best game console ever, most people feel that after the SNES gaming went down hill I say it started to go down hill after PS1 I love both systems allot! Super Nintendo had its fair share of crappy games but even those where appealing to some. The Sega just didn’t have what the SNES had and all ways will have!

  • stafer

    August 16, 2012 at 2:22 am

    SNES had way way more games, more sales in the end, more RPG’s, Adventure and action games too! I’ve always been hard pressed to like Sega Genesis its the same with the N64 I want to like them but I guess for me it will always be a love/hate relationship for Genesis and N64 I do have my favorite games on both but SNES kicks both their asses any day!

    Long Live the King SNES!!!!

  • BlueBomber186

    August 16, 2012 at 2:24 am

    Fantastic breakdown, James. Having been a Nintendo nut all my life, I wholeheartedly concur with your final verdict, but I will concede that you made better points in defense of the Genesis than I can recall anyone making back when the glory days of the 16-bit console wars were actually happening. With each passing day, I get more and more thankful that I was a kid too during that magical era. From what I have seen being in a position while serving as a teacher (or at least used to, before I was laid off), it seems like the whole concept of a console war is virtually nonexistent with kids/teens today. Without that sometimes heated, sometimes friendly rivalry between Nintendo and Sega back in the day, I don’t think I would’ve become quite as passionate about games over the years, and I think kids/teens today are really missing out on that.

    In any case, I wish I had something to record myself when I was that age. I bet if I did, my video would’ve turned out a lot like yours. It would be wonderful right now to be able to look back to a simpler time like that, and I can’t tell you how much I wish I could go back to those happier times right now given my current job situation. I have to admit that it made me tear up a bit when you wrapped this video about how life used to be when all people of our generation had to worry about was putting up a good fight to defend our choice for 16-bit supremacy.

    If only…

  • fulci lives

    August 16, 2012 at 2:31 am

    Man, I was heartbroken when you didn’t mention Secret of Mana in the RPG part. Every time people talk about the 16-bit games of Square they mention Final Fantasy and sometimes Chronotrigger but never Secret of Mana which sucks because I thought it was damn near as good as Link to the Past. πŸ˜€ Anyway a great fun video (again) and hope the nerd movie’s coming along nicely.

  • moleman124

    August 16, 2012 at 2:38 am

    “Also, I’ll have to call bullshit when you give the β€œbackwards compatibility” award to SNES by including 3rd party attachments and such but at the same time don’t count the 6 button controllers for Genesis in the controller category. Seems a little bias bleeding through.” ~ AGREED!!

  • Stefanoragnopazzo

    August 16, 2012 at 2:55 am

    Also Tales of Phantasia and Secret of Mana in RPG for SNES. Man that the important part, games, glad you dedicated the longest part to that, people need to learn that. Whatever the console is, even if it’s graphcally inferior but has games that’s the console to have.

    And i’m not talking about multiplatform games.

    Good job.

  • kjhovey

    August 16, 2012 at 3:19 am


    A Link to the Past, IMO, is the best aging game I’ve ever played. The graphics are still eye pleasing and the bosses still look phenomenal. In general, I feel like, for the most part, the 16 bit games aged very well.

  • Oldskullsurfer

    August 16, 2012 at 3:25 am

    “Much of my childhood just wanted a genesis of the design because it … Children can have a mind of shit yourself. Anyway, I consoled myself playing Super Nintendo … Legal Times.”

    Almost a poet.

  • August 16, 2012 at 3:51 am

    nice review, the 16 Bit era just rocked!

    Oh and that tune at the end of the video, I remember that music but don’t know from what game it’s from…can somebody help me with this?

  • xdeathknightx

    August 16, 2012 at 3:58 am

    Good item James. But I do have to make a note at the backwards compatability. With the controllers you make a point
    of only including the original controllers, with the backwards compatability it is suddenly ok to get an unlicensed
    third party contraption that can play the older nes games while Sega had one they build themselves. I would have called it a draw or if I had to choose award it to Sega because they brought it out themselves.

    With games I again would have called it a draw for the simple reason that you stated that it all comes down to personal preference. I have some games I love on the genesis and I have some games I love on the snes.

    In the end I think we should be happy that both consoles were there and that Sega paved the way for other console builders to come in and give us the diverse selection of games and consoles we have today.

    Someone in the comments said that almost everyone agrees games went downhill after the snes, I think there is no-one that I know that feels that way. There are people that prefer retro games but who can also still enjoy the new games.
    Your love for the past shouldn’t cloud your vision on games today because there’s some awesome games out there you might miss that way.

    But again James good item and you did good at trying to be as impartial as possible.

  • L0rdMike

    August 16, 2012 at 4:01 am

    I think the SNES is better than the Mega Drive but why is the US SNES so ugly.

  • WinterDeathPeach

    August 16, 2012 at 4:05 am

    When I grew up I lived in a very small place were very few people had consoles or even cable TV, I didn’t know about Nintendo Power til the N64 days. So I was never aware of the whole console wars, it wasn`t till the days of PS2, Xbox, and GameCube I knew there was a rivalry between consoles where people would get on my case that I chose Xbox over PS2, yeah no one I knew ever defended the GameCube.

    Note I was living in a bigger place when I got a Xbox.

  • jandesf

    August 16, 2012 at 4:11 am

    That was beautiful. Sure brings me back. I’m glad you made so clear that the Sound and Games part was a matter of opinion. I for one prefer the Genesis sound, I’m not very fond of the SNES’s low notes. But that could just be my nostalgia talking.

    I was a lucky kid. I didn’t have both systems, but my neighbour had a SNES and I had a Mega Drive, so I grew up playing almost every major game from both systems. Fun times when every weekend meant a new rented game (and here in Brazil they got the craziest japanese games I could never remember the names again).

  • Bigwaveey

    August 16, 2012 at 4:12 am

    Koji Kondo and Kenji Yamamotot were the best Composers of that era for Super nintendo Games! I still listen to all that music now!

  • Scy

    August 16, 2012 at 4:17 am

    Great video! loved seeing little Jimmy get into so much, haha.

  • Retro-Boy

    August 16, 2012 at 4:17 am

    The SNES and Mega Drive are my two favourite consoles. I’d say the SNES is the best because it has a better game library overall, but the best games for the Mega Drive (Sonic, Phantasy Star, Streets of Rage etc…) are just as good. Great video.

  • Retro-Boy

    August 16, 2012 at 4:18 am


    Trust me, A Link to the Past is still phenomenal to this day.

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  • Henrik_J

    August 16, 2012 at 5:00 am

    Great video, as always.

    Both were great consoles. The Genesis/Mega Drive was probably the most successful console ever from Sega.

    The Genesis is the winner in my opinion. That’s probably just because it had more games that appealed to me personally.

  • hardr0ck

    August 16, 2012 at 5:01 am

    I almost cried in nostalgia watching this vid, James… You mentioned FFIII(VI), Super Mario RPG, AND Chrono Trigger (a game I hoped you mention someday, somehow). I had lost hope of you recognizing that last one halfway through the vid lol… I mean, you talked about best music and mentioned FFVI which was cool, but Chrono Trigger had what is commonly considered one of if not the best video game soundtracks of ALL TIME. But yeah, it was about capability, not the actual music.

    If you or Mike ever do an episode of best obscure RPGs, it would make me extremely happy. =]

  • Yesao

    August 16, 2012 at 5:29 am

    Our european version of the snes looks a bit better imo. ^^

  • August 16, 2012 at 5:43 am

    man, some games are good on one and some are good on the other, why are we still debating this now, u do realise that some games are good on one console and vice versa….dam people…LIVE YER DREAM

  • Matu

    August 16, 2012 at 6:21 am

    The European Super Nintendo looks way better IMO.

    Also, can’t believe you didn’t mention Secret of Mana when comparing RPGs! It’s one of the best RPGs of all time!

  • TexMurphy01

    August 16, 2012 at 6:30 am

    Well, another good video, but I’m going to have to pick you up on one thing that’s a bit of a pet peeve of mine. It’s ‘addictive’ and not ‘addicting’.

  • quickson1

    August 16, 2012 at 6:36 am

    Very good and fair comparison. Loved it. I will say though, that everyone always forgets about Shining Force II for Genesis. The only 16-bit RPG that I can think of that holds it’s own against Chrono Trigger and FF3.

  • antihero

    August 16, 2012 at 6:50 am

    That was awesome James! . . . the best part of the video was Mike & Chad were not in it.

  • spanner_razor

    August 16, 2012 at 7:00 am

    Hi James,

    Watching the videos for years and quite a fair comparison. I do disagree in some respects – beat ’em ups feel the opposite for me on SNES – they are clunky and slow. Though having Knights of the Round is a big bonus (shame no Cadillacs and Dinosaurs).

    I can see why some people are annoyed about the backward compatability issue as you didn’t include the alternative controller (which was an official accessory unlike the Super 8) and the emulation isn’t always perfect on that type of add-on e.g. the Gameboy add-on for gamecube.

    Gotta agree there are some unforgettable RPG’s on the SNES (just playing Chrono Trigger on DS) however perhaps because I came to megadrive first I have really fond memories of the Shining Force series (that people have already mentioned though of course Fire Emblem is the natural counterpoint), King’s Bounty and The Immortal (yes it was on NES too).

    Though I didn’t play them I also know Rings of Power and Sword of Vermillion had some acclaim.

  • Admiral

    August 16, 2012 at 7:31 am

    Hi James & Mike,
    Just wanted to say congratulations on an awesome video – It’s good to see you back on form πŸ™‚

    My brother and myself have been fans of yours since the early days and have the AVGN DVD’s in pride of place in our media collections.

    I will however be the first to admit I’ve been concerned as to where your recent videos have been going, It’s not a bad thing, just a confusing one. This video however has restored my faith in you, no matter what you do in life you cannot please everyone –

    Keep making the videos and keep playing the games, It’s nice to see some fresh new material but remember the retro classics too.


  • SabreWulf

    August 16, 2012 at 7:50 am


    Great video but you didn’t show Streets of Rage 2. It is THE beat ’em up game that kills any other fighting games. Awesome playability, graphics, sound, two player mode etc.

    Even though, I like both consoles very much. Back then people didn’t have that much money to buy both so choice had to be done.


  • D3nnuZ

    August 16, 2012 at 7:52 am

    Hey James, awesome video as expected and my winner is also SNES.
    About the RPG games, my personal favourite of all time is Lufia Rise of the Sinistrals. Have you ever played that one? If so, what’s your opinion?

    I wasted hours and hours on that game as a child. I even set an alarm to wake up a few hours before school. When I was just 12 or 13 years old.

  • AbsoluteDeicide

    August 16, 2012 at 7:58 am

    That was great. Really brought back some memories.

    I never owned a Super Nintendo, but I’m seriously considering buying one now. I think that was the big thing back then; when you’re ten or twelve you have no way to just make some money and buy a console and games for yourself so you’re at the mercy of whatever you can convince your parents to buy for you.

    I was always a Genesis guy by default because there was no way in hell my parents were going to buy both consoles for me.

  • Magmarock

    August 16, 2012 at 8:12 am

    The problem with Crono Trigger, was that it wasn’t released in the PAL regions. So I always feel that it’s unfair to use Crono Trigger in this sort of thing; at least without mentioning that.

  • judgen

    August 16, 2012 at 8:13 am

    at 12:39 i had to stop the video to comment. Not holding a candle? Seriously? I do not know if these games are not available in the US (or was) But shining force TO THIS DAY, No 16 bit game have had better RPG, feel to it. No random shit when walking around, perfect script and lovely music and ambiance. Nothing made in the 16 bit era by final fantasy *number* can even compare to those two masterpieces. Shining force 1 and 2 is still by this day the best story and turn based battles ever made. The Sega CD version did not have as good writers and the lovely town ambience was mostly gone and focusing sadly only on the battles. It got a bit better again on the sega saturn, and is to this day together with shenmue one of the prime reasons anyone buys a saturn. All three Shining force games on the saturn costs a fortune, but they are still AWESOME. Nothing in turn based RPG on the SNES compares, and if compared it would be a complete “HUMILIATION!” of the snes library in the category..

  • judgen

    August 16, 2012 at 8:26 am

    addition to the comment: Ok Zelda was the game that made me buy a SNES i give in to that one. But in Sweden we only got games imported by a company imported by Bergsala AB afaik. And those people always denied us Swedish gamers the privilegium of playing the whole SNES library. The genesis games was available everywhere, and many games was in bargain bins, which never happened with SNES games. As a poor (relatively) the SEGA had a much breader appeal. It also had awesome games like Daffy duck in space or something, Quackshot , NHL, World championship hockey (you know, us northern swedes love our hockey) and many more. There was even swedish only MegaDrive games. Most of them are ports from the AMiGA, but oh so fun.

    Now i consider myself somewhat of an collector, and i would gladly rip you a rom of some of the swedish games, but unless you have a knowledge in swedish or a translator, they might be very confusing. (think amnesia, dark descent with no voiceovers)

  • Phil_le_poulet

    August 16, 2012 at 8:35 am

    It would be a tie for me. I understand that people tend to like SNES more because it has more well-known great games but Genesis has MANY hidden gems. For example, Ristar, Dynamite Headdy and Rocket Knight Adventures are definitively on my list of favorite games.

  • AnKun

    August 16, 2012 at 8:37 am


    That made me laugh my ASS of out LOUD!!!

  • cloob1

    August 16, 2012 at 8:41 am

    I thought about why the SNES is my favorite: I think it’s because they took the same formulas from games on the NES and multiplied it with the SNES hardware and blew my fucking mind. Super Metroid and Zelda are my prime examples.

  • AbsoluteDeicide

    August 16, 2012 at 8:52 am

    Also want to add:

    The Genesis’ answer to Link to the Past? Death Duel. Face.

  • Nexusflame

    August 16, 2012 at 9:04 am

    I love how he used final fantasy 3 as an example for music. One of the best game sound tracks out there.

  • Kaygeebee

    August 16, 2012 at 9:14 am

    The Super-FX chip was an addon by normal definition. It was a co-processor integrated into the game cartridge, which added features the SNES processor didn’t have by design. The 32X was basically the same thing, except that the addon was seperate from the actuall game.

  • imposter

    August 16, 2012 at 9:26 am

    I was fortunate to have both consoles growing up, and I love them equally to be honest. So, so many great games on both.

    Over the last 2 months or so, I’ve been alternating between my two consoles, replaying some of my favorite SNES and Sega games. When my sons saw how epic Final Fantasy 3 (6), Secret of Mana, Super Mario World 1 and 2 was, including Phantasy Star Sonic 1, 2, Sonic and Knuckles+Sonic 3, Shadowrun, Shinobi just to name a few I’ve played so far, it just blew them away. They don’t even really care about my xbox 360 and kinect I have, they want to play the games I played when I was growing up. The first games my son ever played was Super Mario Brothers, Sonic and KNuckles+Sonic 3, and Megaman X (not surprisingly, Megaman X is where he picked up a lot of his skills from, which is exactly how I refined my coordination and timing).

    Glad I watched this because it makes me feel great that not only have I been reliving some great stories and action growing up, but now I can share what’s great with my sons, and they’re loving every minute of it.

  • August 16, 2012 at 9:36 am

    I played super nintendo but GENESIS rocks, also the game ” Sonic 3D blast”. Dizzy sucks but i recommend Genesis.

  • Tallefjant

    August 16, 2012 at 10:17 am

    BOO! come on, the zelda games are the most overrated games ever!
    And megadrive had landstalker, wich are pretty equal to link to the past!

    and lets not forget the blast processing! Snes aint got shit to go up against blast processing!

  • FendersRule

    August 16, 2012 at 10:24 am

    Wow. James, I’m a little insulted that you show just about EVERY good SNES RPG but Earthbound. What’s the deal?

  • Wien

    August 16, 2012 at 10:31 am

    I always preferred Beyond Oasis on the Genesis over A Link to the Past.

    But man…. F-Zero’s soundtrack will do it to me everytime. That and Top Gear’s.

  • kynrek

    August 16, 2012 at 11:47 am

    Great video as always James. I couldn’t help but notice that you didn’t mention the power base converter for the Sega genesis which is actually for backward compatibility as the master system was the successor to the genesis as opposed to the game boy which was a different kind of console than the super Nintendo.

  • August 16, 2012 at 11:53 am

    Very good review and very sound arguments. It was so interesting, thank you!
    I think both consoles are good in their own way.

  • August 16, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    Thanks for that, James!

  • EvanAE86

    August 16, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    What Donkey Kong song is that at 8:22? I wanna make metal version of that song >.< soo sick!

  • Mag1922

    August 16, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    Has anyone else noticed how James always missed out the N in Nintendo and says Superintendo? The younger James says it right. Great videos though and it’s good to have the nerd back.

  • August 16, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    You press Y to run and B to jump in a Mario Game? What are you drinking James? *G*
    Maybe you should stop playing these 52 Games πŸ˜‰

  • Stephen Nelson

    August 16, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    Will he do one based on the 32/64 bit era because I would of loved to see his opinion and which one was superior?

  • August 16, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    And Secret of Mana 2 is the best RPG ever made πŸ™‚ (I even enjoyed it more than A Link to the Past.)

  • August 16, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    Awesome video, I love both my SNES and Megadrive. But I always liked Sega a little more πŸ˜‰ But I couldn’t live without Mario World either. πŸ™‚

  • kakeroo

    August 16, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    Super metroid and Secret of Mana were my favorites

  • cplus312

    August 16, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    I had both the genesis and super nintendo, I loved both systems, Genesis just blew my mind with all the sonic games (reason I got it was for sonic) but I did own more and had more fun with the Super nintendo. 3 of my top favorite games I ha dthem on my snes (donkey kong country, Prince of persia by konami and Out of this world) And I do belive the Snes had a beter library of games but I did had some good times playing all the sports games with my friends and cousins . Both are good in there own way it skind alike comparing a PS3 and a 360 but the Snes and genesis are far superior than todays consoles

  • EdWood1138

    August 16, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    This was a fantastic video! I always love it when James brings up the videos he made as a kid and splices them in! It’s like an interesting version of those “talking to your future self” videos you see on youtube lol.

  • fafarian

    August 16, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    Truth is, Final Fantasy 3 is the best RPG on SNES equally with Earthbound. Speaking of good music, Earthbound nails it too.

    Now, I’ve watched you play like 12 seconds of A link to the past and the only thing I need in my life right now is to start a new game right freaking now.

  • Hypergrav

    August 16, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    A fairly good breakdown and I would have to agree on the outcome. Genesis brought some amazing action games to the table and did have that more arcade style sound to it. What it really comes down to is that SNES just has more masterpieces and better support overall. Castlevania, Mario, Donkey Kong, Final Fantasy, Super Metroid, Zelda.

    I mean, really. How are you supposed to top that? Sonic is a good series and there were some other astoundingly good games on Genesis (Gunstar Heroes for instance), but for every great game on Genesis there are two great games on SNES and Genesis essentially had only the Phantasy Star series for RPGs.

    Graphically, SNES has better color palettes, which lend themselves to great artistic capability (Chrono Trigger is arguably the best example). That ‘higher’ resolution and greater colors really showed itself to be an asset. Genesis had ‘speed,’ but not all games can be or even should be fast. We can only keep up with so much.

    As far as sound is concerned I think that one is a bit of a wash. I think that the SNES was capable of producing more variety though. Between Donkey Kong 2 and Final Fantasy 6 it’s hard to make an argument for Sega. The musical scores are just that good.

    I think the one thing that really blows Genesis out of the water was the SNES controller. I don’t think Sega ever had a truly good controller.

    So, really I think that while SNES was the slightly better system. It was the support from really talented people that made it what it is. The game library for SNES is just too good.

  • RickyRei1

    August 16, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    One of my favorite of all your videos!
    SNES rules, Genesis can go home!

  • protofall NZ

    August 16, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    Shining Force 2 on the Mega Drive. Best RPG ever.

  • BMiller508

    August 16, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    I was lucky enough to have both as a kid and I have to say I played sega a lot more, when I did play nintendo it was usually the nes more than the super nintendo, I don’t why but the super nintendo never really did it for me, sega games were darker and grittier than the super nes and for some strange reason I liked that as a kid, still do, but the super nintendo was a good system, I just favored the genesis as a kid

  • relapse808

    August 16, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    final fantasy 3 and secret of mana were some of my favorite music from SNES

  • Linus

    August 16, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    I’ve been following you since the 32X videos, 4 or 5 years ago.
    I registered just now, only to leave you this comment, because I really liked what I’ve seen.
    A part from the comparison and the funny jokes which often bring a smile, this video was showing all the love for the 16-bit gen, the one I grew up with. The early AVGN has always been about nostalgia, and this one looked like going back to the original spirit.

    The truth is, there is no winner to the VS.
    These consoles were both great, with amazing titles, and eternal memories of fun, challenge, suspense, atmosphere, and everything else you could feel with games made in those years. They were perhaps the very last gen before game making started becoming a true corporate business. Today they won’t create any other system or titles like this ones, this was a spirit of the early 90s which will always live in our heart. They were simple, made of ideas, small details with big meaning, because of that they were much closer to art than it has been later.
    It was fantastic to grow up back then, and see them growing with you.

    You really said it all with “the world would not be complete by both of them”

    This video was a link to the past.
    Thank you

  • xJake

    August 16, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    I’ll admit that the Sega did have a lot to offer during the 16-bit era, but my personal preference always has been and always will be Nintendo. πŸ™‚

  • Cilliandrew

    August 16, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    I always felt like SNES was more of a nerd-gamers, niche system, but the GENESIS, with the EA SPORTS franchises, had a bit more main stream appeal. SNES had the better overall library, but games like MADDEN and the NHL series were games that i played with everyone, be they nerd, jock, sports fan or otherwise.

    My personal opinion would be that the SNES was the better system, but i think the Genesis had a greater cultural impact in bringing gaming more into the mainstream.

  • Santa Horse

    August 16, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    You were a cute kid, the ‘a BIT better’ joke was really funny since you (as a kid) clearly knew how bad it was hence having to explain it in a really harsh tone. This was a very fair analysis of both consoles, and I say that as a Sega kid who now favours PS3 and Xbox.

  • GuardianAuron

    August 16, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    So much epicness and nostalgia in this video. My brothers and I were all Nintendo kids growing up. Some of my favorite games of all time are on here such as Donkey Kong Country, Super Mario World, Link to the Past, and Final Fantasy III.

    I also hosted so many parties that revolved around Killer Instinct tournaments that I can’t count them all. Over all, I think it is a fairly underrated game. A lot of big SNES or fighting genre fans know about it, but few others include it in lists of best fighters we’ve ever seen.

    James, I think AVGN might have run its course… But if you keep putting out reviews like this. And even play through games that are GOOD from the same era, you are going to be bringing in views non stop.

    I know I suggested on one of Mike’s videos to do a Super Smash Bros. video amongst you, MIke, and maybe the Overanalyzers… But even a Killer Instinct video would be sweet.

    Great video and I look forward to the next one.


  • Oldskullsurfer

    August 16, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    Nosferatu make an appearance here and him, for me, it’s one of most underrated and brilliant games of all time, like Aero the acrobat II, that just have a cool gameplay but his soundtrack are awesome.

  • Keith the Genesis Geek

    August 16, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    What you guys don’t know about the Genesis is…

    You can find games that are awesome that you didn’t even know about! I do all the time!!

    It’s a fun system to collect cause you constantly find weird games … throw em in …. and good luck. lol

    GENESIS RULES! Most kick ass games! It’s Fuckin’ Bad ass!!

  • sdbrown84

    August 16, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    Best review I have ever seen done. Well documented and facts brought to both ends of the table. Brings back lots of memories.

    Well done again James. Your work is admirable.

  • August 16, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    This was by far one of the most entertaining videos you have made James. God I can’t stand it I wish I could play Zelda Link to the past, Super Castlevania, Donkey Kong Country, Final Fantasy 3/6, and Super Metroid all at once!

  • Matt4786

    August 16, 2012 at 5:22 pm

    I owned the Sega as a kid and was on that side of the console war for that reason, but as an adult, I have to admit the SNES was better.

  • chorns

    August 16, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    In terms of music, I personally like the overdriven sounds of Blast processing more than the mode 7 myself, and don’t get me wrong, SNES had some great soundtracks but nothing beats the Streets of Rage and Shinobi series soundtracks for 16 bit music!

  • chorns

    August 16, 2012 at 5:55 pm

    Also, I would love to see an all fighting game review from the 16 bit era too!

  • CDMurphy

    August 16, 2012 at 6:05 pm

    James I’m supprised that u didn’t mention super mario rpg or donkey kong country when you were talking about graphics. I know you saved those games to talk about later on in the review, but man back in the day they were completely stunning. If you were like me and couldn’t afford a playstation when it was released, it didn’t matter so much because those 2 games litterly looked better than a lot of 32 bit games that were around at the time. Great video.

  • DenaZX

    August 16, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    Super metroid, you got that right :p My favorite game of all time. I still do it two three times in a row each year trying to beat my last speed run. I hope they make another classic 2d metroid on DS or something because other M let me quite unsatisfied.

  • August 16, 2012 at 6:07 pm

    How do you mention genesis RPG’s and forget Shining Force and Shining Force 2???? By far the best rpg games on the Genesis and the inventor of strategy rpg genre!

  • August 16, 2012 at 6:16 pm

    SNES by far, I did love my Sega as well but I had more games for SNES and A Link To The Past is my favourite title ever. I could play that for hours, I love making a new character just so I can play through it again. I remember going down to rent SNES games, it was so much fun to look at all the different games. We had a store here too where you could trade in your old games for new ones. It’s unfortunately long gone but I traded two shitty games for Mario Bros 3 once. If that store was still around I’d go down there and buy every SNES and NES game they have. So much win.

  • theaptpupil

    August 16, 2012 at 7:35 pm

    good to see you coming back to the Nerd Roots. more focus on the love and frustrations of the 8&16 bit generation of consoles.

    However I would love to see you opinions on the 64 bit era next time. The 16 bit era really goes back to simpler times where it was either Road Rash or super star wars for me(RR somehow kept winning, maybe the lurking murderer in my gamer youth really got my kicks off playing dirty to other bikers to win the race), however the 64 bit era was the real turning point. Sega got turned over by Sony in favour of their own CD loading console, which then backed up as a home media centre, while the N64 and Dreamcast kept to the gamin core, but its amazing how the events turned from there for me personallly

  • Terpor

    August 16, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    Sega had Lanstalker, Shining Force, Shining in the Darkness and bunch other good games as well, but i wish Nintendo could pull their head from their asses and re-release Eartbound and make a another Earbound for the Wii-U

  • Sine

    August 16, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    Love the video! Any chance of getting an N64 vs PS1 battle?

  • Old Hay

    August 16, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    I was really enjoying this video quite a lot, until the very end there. At that point, even though your closing comment was brief and light, the video crossed into someplace deep and touching for me. It’s been a really, really dark time for me lately, darker than I ought to really divulge much about to internet strangers, and being reminded of that simpler time honestly teared me up a little and brought a healing touch to my weary soul. I’m moved and gladdened that there are people like you in the world, James, erecting monuments to the dreams of childhood with your passion and sincerity.

  • Chillthorn42

    August 16, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    Hey guys, I tried to watch this video last night, but springboard wont load past half a sentence. I tried pausing and letting it load the video for awhile, & it would only work sometimes. I really want to watch this, does anyone have any tips on how to get springboard to load the video while on pause? I dont want to keep it on pause while doing other stuff, then get back to it later and have nothing loaded. Thanks..

  • furluge

    August 16, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    James, I really liked this video. The tone and the composition of it was just perfect and heartfelt. Though if you’re going to talk about 16-bit RPGs you have to talk about the Sega CD. The storage of the CD format just allows them to make much better, longer games. My favorite JRPGs are on that system. The Sega CD is probably also the reason I wasn’t blown away by FF7, since by then it was third experience with what a CD-ROM could do for an RPG.

  • dazzsheil

    August 16, 2012 at 8:50 pm

    To me, it’s pretty simple. I have 9 SNES Games on my Wii Virtual Console. I have 2 Mega Drive games (Sonic 3 & Sonic and Knuckles) so i think SNES Has the better games (except the Mario/Sonic thing, Sonic kicks Mario’s ass…in the 2D Department) but the Mega Drive just seemed cooler to me.

  • hammerhorrortexas

    August 16, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    SNES for sure. Turbografx 16 was a really good console also at that time. There were great titles such as:

    Keiths Courage
    The Bonk series
    Parasol Stars
    Alien Crush (awesome pinball game)
    Talespin (Capcom)

    the console wars era was a great time to grow up.

  • likalaruku

    August 16, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    I’d say it was a draw on music, a complete draw. I love Chiptunes.

    I’d say game lineup was an absolute draw too.

    Dunno why, but as a kid, Mario didn’t do a damn thing for me. When it came to comparing consoles, it would be Sonic VS Final Fantasy.

    Xbox vs Playstation next?

  • megavolt67

    August 16, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    The Genesis is one of the strongest consoles, maybe top three all time for me, but its library wasn’t quite as well-rounded as that of the SNES. The conventional wisdom is that the SNES was better for RPGs and the Genesis was better for action games. However, I’ve discovered over the years that the SNES is no slouch in the action department in the same way that the Genesis is a bit of a slouch in the RPG department. I think that breaks the deadlock in favor of the SNES. The other conventional wisdom is that the SNES is good at orchestral music and the Genesis is better with rock’n music. This is also not entirely accurate. Ever hear Rock ‘n Roll racing on the SNES? It sounds amazing. The Genesis can’t compete with the versatility of the SNES sound hardware. That’s not to say there weren’t some amazing Genesis soundtracks, but where the best Genesis music is almost entirely limited to techno or thrash metal-type soundtracks, the SNES does better with variety. Check the music of a game like Live-A-LIve. Different styles thrived better on the SNES. Anyway, I could go on and on, and I think that the 16-bit era was the best because of both consoles, but SNES wins the head to head for me. To say apples and oranges makes everybody feel better in such a comparison, but if the Genesis is a very tasty apple, then the SNES is a very tasty orange that would also make for a solid apple.

  • Desadaptado

    August 16, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    i just made an acount to say it
    he fucking knows about the SNES


  • snake0

    August 17, 2012 at 12:01 am

    Hah, can’t believe you compare games yet left out Alien Soldier, which is arguably the best game on genesis.

  • Dan021

    August 17, 2012 at 12:44 am

    Super Metroid, Star Fox, Zelda Link to the past, Yoshi Island,Mario RPG, killer instinct, FF3 (6), Mario Paint, F-Zero, Mario Kart, Stunt Race FX, Unicycle, Metal Warriors, DK Country 1-2-3, ActRaiser 3, Lost vikings 1-2, Megaman X Cheetahmen 4… XD justο»Ώ kidding but seriously, those games were soooo amazing! SNES all the way!

  • Dan021

    August 17, 2012 at 12:51 am

    Also, one last thing. This made me so nostalgic. I remember all the conversations we had about games, controllers and consoles… I may sound like an old lady listening to some old music but THOSE WERE THE DAYS. The golden time for the video games. Truly!

    Thanks James for this really amazing fun time!

  • Hawkear

    August 17, 2012 at 12:52 am

    I played both systems as a kid, more so sega as I got a lil older but nes when i was young. I found that I liked the sega games, but was always jealous of all the great games on NES, mostly the Mario related ones as I played Super mario bros when i was like 3-5. Not that i remember….home video helps though

  • Hawkear

    August 17, 2012 at 1:03 am

    I remember getting to that carpet flying lava level in the genesis Aladdin, and I beat it before any of my family could. It was the first time I felt I had really done something difficult

  • ZeR0goth

    August 17, 2012 at 1:21 am

    Hey James I dunno if you read these but I know of a game that would have been perfect for this video. Mega Man X3!!! One of the best games ever for the Super Nintendo. Calling it a shadow of its former self on the Sega is an understatement.

  • derpman

    August 17, 2012 at 1:34 am

    Awesome analogy. Agreed, SNES best console of all time. Love genesis but it was doomed from the start.

  • crocodilius

    August 17, 2012 at 2:41 am

    i always liked Genesis more and it was for a similar reason.
    my favourite game ever and the best game i’ve ever played, Landstalker, is on the genesis. alot of people call it a Zelda clone but i think it does enough things differently.
    it just gets everything right; the platforming, the sword fighting, item collecting, story, music….

    along with ocarina of time and final fantasy 8, it’s one of 3 perfect games i’ve ever played.

  • August 17, 2012 at 5:06 am

    Thank you again, James. You’re right, this was a simpler time. No worrying about politics, or rumors of things about to go down, or other heavy, intense stuff… A different time….. Like I once said, I almost lost that time from my own past, due to some traumatic stuff that happened, and while I did learn a lot from it that shaped who I am today, MAN do I miss the 90s, and I miss being a kid. Granted, I rarely even touched a Super Nintendo or Genesis when I was young – that was the sort of thing I couldn’t afford, so I’d get a rare chance to play a little bit of the systems, now and then, when I was around my cousins. Still, I do have memories of Sonic and Street Fighter II. A little bit of Link to the Past, but not as much. These memories videos have been vital in helping me to remember the good times from my own past, even if the story isn’t exactly the same, and I’m not ashamed to admit, the ending choked me up with the longings of nostalgia, and remembering, what seems to me, a time from aeons ago. Thank you for sharing your memories and thoughts with us, and for helping me remember – it’s incredibly healing, because, thanks to this, and other semi-recent events, I no longer feel old before my time. My only regret is the absence of my mom – I know we would have had a good time looking at these videos (especially the memories ones), and remembering what it was like; I do have some memories of her playing games with me too, particularly Freedom Force, but we played a few others as well.

    Man, do I feel a lot better. You’ve made my night, and then some. I’m also truly satisfied that you mentioned Chrono Trigger – that happens to be my favorite JRPG, with Chrono Cross as a close second. I’ve spent years on that game, and I remember the first time I beat it, it was an emotional experience for me, particularly on the PlayStation version. Oh, and Super Metroid….that game is epically awesome. A good series that I finally beat, 20 years after first playing the original Metroid (at least all the 2D ones, and Metroid Prime). Got any plans to do a Metroid retrospective, like with Castlevania, or a memories video? That would be awesome.

    Well, enough. This puts me in the mood to see your other Memories videos, and at least one of them doesn’t really apply, but I enjoy seeing you recall what it was like, back in the day, to be a kid, playing those games. Have a super day, man.

  • Spazma666

    August 17, 2012 at 5:24 am

    You compare games but leave out

    Splatterhouse 3
    Streets of Rage 2
    Alien Soldier
    Rocket Knight
    Guntar heroes
    Virtua racing

    Talk about bias

  • jumpjump

    August 17, 2012 at 5:52 am

    It was definitely a surprise to see Secret of Mana left out of the SNES notable RPG list. In my video game experience (played from early NES to early gamecube), there was never another RPG quite like that one.

    It did have some technical issues, with insufficient CPU and especially with AI.

    If I had to come up with a phrase to describe that game, it would probably be “innocent”.. A Wish is maybe the one video game track I would choose to transmit to another planet with intelligent life 5 billion years from now. The transitions in that game were indelibly evocative for me, and especially the transition into the frozen area with that track. There was no other game that I ever knew that allowed me to… recess into empty space like that game.

    I’m not making a case for the SNES, I’m just making a case for Secret of Mana ha. To me, it’s one of the few games I ever played containing an absolutely inimitable spirit. I would also place several game listed in that category. Super Metroid, FF6, ALTTP, Castlevania IV, Chrono Trigger.. I suppose my claim is that Secret of Mana is one of the sublime games on the system.

  • Cyberian

    August 17, 2012 at 6:30 am

    James, you made me listen to a Donkey Kong Country sound track πŸ™‚

  • Jobe

    August 17, 2012 at 6:50 am

    James, very well done. Brought back soo many memories from my childhood. I remember purchasing Sega Genesis, Sega CD and 32x add-on. I can’t believe I paid 200 bucks for a Sega CD.

    Well anyway…thanks for taking me back and it was a truly awesome video.

  • August 17, 2012 at 8:06 am

    After watching both parts a few times, I’ve come to realize these videos were pretty worthless. We already knew some years back you preferred Nintendo over Sega, so why make a video reiterating that? It would have been more fun, more beneficial to your fans, to have made a Nintendo Vs. Sega video where you showcased the best of what both systems had, rather than why you think one is better than the other. Both systems had great things as well as some major flaws, so picking a side is a bit of a moot point to me. I’m just saying what could have been improved, that’s all I am saying.

  • Bart_Man

    August 17, 2012 at 8:14 am

    N64 vs PS1. That’s gonna be good

  • natedog

    August 17, 2012 at 8:16 am

    the part about the controllers is not fair, sega’s six button controller was the shit. Street fighter still sells replicas of it for ps3 and xbox 360

  • dragontamer272

    August 17, 2012 at 8:16 am

    I do love both consoles, they all have their shares yes, but of the two, I grew up more with the Super Nintendo. Me and my older brother still play it to this day whenever we get the chance. And we shared our opinion, our BIGGEST all-time favorite game on that console is… “Mega Man X”.

    In fact: I’m just gonna do this, favorite game(s) by the consoles.

    Fav. SNES game: A tie between “The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past” and “Mega Man X”.

    Fav. Genesis game: A tie between the first “Sonic the Hedgehog” and “Mega Turrican”.

  • Spaceball1

    August 17, 2012 at 8:26 am

    When discussing Genesis games, one must include Shining Force 1 and 2. Two of the greatest games ever created.

  • August 17, 2012 at 8:27 am

    Great video, but there was a good “what where they thinking” missed: the console design for the JAP/EUR SNES is lots better than the blocky USA one.

  • zgamer007

    August 17, 2012 at 9:04 am

    Man, I love both these consoles pretty much equally & have a lot to say that wasn’t said here.

    Regarding the controller, the SNES had a better button layout, but the Genesis 6 button controller had a much better D-pad. And I do think that should count since Sega & developers in later games developed games for that controller. It’s an official 1st party controller that Sega made (at least the one I have & the one I saw in stores). When I compare Saturday Night Slam Masters, which I own both versions of, I can only do the combo finishers in the Genesis version because of the SNES’ D-pad, even though I prefer the SNES version because of the tag team battle royale mode & the sound. But for that version, I need the Super Advantage to do those moves, while the 6 button controller has such a nice D-pad that it’s enough for me to pull off every wrestler’s move. This applies to fighting games as well since they use combos too. If only there would be a Super Nintendo controller with the D-pad of the the Genesis 6 button controller. That would be perfect.

    Regarding backwards compatibility, I’d say that’s a tie because the unlicensed/unofficial adapter that lets you play NES games on an SNES shouldn’t count if the same sort of rules used in judging the controllers is used for judging BC devices. Each console could officially play the games one 1 older console. Though the Genesis not only had the Power Base Converter for the 1st model but also had the Master System Converter II (offcial Sega product) for later Genesis models. So this one should be a draw.

    One category that wasn’t mentioned is playing games of other regions. That advantage would go to the Genesis because it has no region locks like the SNES does. Simply plugging in a Japanese Mega Drive game in a Game Genie would allow you to play it on a US Genesis without any modding needed. As far as I know, the same isn’t true if you try to plug a Super Famicom game into a SNES Game Genie (I don’t even know if it will fit). The only reason you need the Game Genie for the Genesis is because the game wouldn’t fit otherwise (without altering the cartridge).

    As for games for a more mature audience, that definitely is where the Genesis prevailed. Besides the obvious MK example, Castlevania Bloodlines is the 1st ever Castlevania game that had blood. Also there is Splatterhouse 2 & 3 which are probably the most bloody & violent games you’ll ever find on any console. Not to mention Eternal Champions, and many others.

    Regarding music, SNES is obviously better, but I think the Streets of Rage games & The Revenge of Shinobi & its sequels should have been mentioned as these games had some of the best music on the Genesis that rival SNES music since Yuzo Koshiro really knew how to make music for the Genesis’ hardware. Castlevania Bloodlines also had amazing music, though Super Castlevania IV beats it in terms of music & gameplay (IV is my 2nd favorite Castlevania after Dracula’s Curise). The Sonic games were also amazing in the music department as was Altered Beast, Wonder Boy in Monster World, World Trophy Soccer (great music), the Splatterhouse games, Ghouls ‘n Ghosts, Moonwalker, and several others. But despite that, SNES definitely wins in sound when compared to the base Genesis.

    Also, the SNES wasn’t alone in using cpu’s/chips in games. Nintendo used the Super FX chip & Super FX 2 chip, but Sega also had its own called the Sega Virtua Processor which they unfortunately developed very late in the Genesis’ life. It was only used in Virtua Racing. The 32X was later made & used similar processors & was a cheaper alternative when compared to the price of Virtua Racing on the Genesis since only the adapter used the processors & not the individual games. So this is one reason why Sega made the 32X besides being a holdover while the Saturn was being developed.

    Anyway, I love both these consoles to this day, but like James, my favorite game of all time is A Link to the Past, so the SNES always gets more playtime from me for that game alone. But both are equals in my book because without the SNES, the Genesis wouldn’t have been what it was and without the Genesis, the SNES wouldn’t have been what it was. The competition between them drove them to the heights they each achieved. If we only had competition like that between the console manufacturers today.

    As for me, my #1 favorite console is still the NES, but right behind it is the Genesis CDX, which I own. It’s an official Genesis-Sega CD combo console & is the sleekest looking console I’ve ever seen. After you play Genesis games on it, you’ll realize that the music/sound is much better due to the CDX’s superior sound hardware. It’s of course capable of CD quality (Redbook) audio, so that puts it ahead of the SNES in terms of audio. Like the base Sega CD, it’s capable of scaling & rotation effects, so in that regard it’s on par with the SNES, but still didn’t have as wide of a color palette as the SNES. But library-wise, it has some great games like Earthworm Jim: Special Edition (the best version of the game), Batman Returns (which is the Genesis version with an all new CD quality soundtrack (awesome score) and driving levels exclusive to it, Sonic CD, Shining Force CD, the Lunar games, The Terminator, Final Fight CD (better than the arcade version & way better than the incomplete SNES port), and many others. The CD version of The Adventures of Batman & Robin is entirely a driving game due to the success of the driving stages in Batman Returns. This is the only console that you can play a Final Fight game on and all 3 Streets of Rage games on. And being the HUGE fan of beat ’em ups that I am, Streets of Rage 1 & 2 beat any beat ’em ups on the SNES, as much as I like most of those. (even Final Fight 2 & 3 which were much better than FF1 on the SNES). But I realize that this isn’t between the SNES & CDX, so I won’t say any more.

    Anyway, the 2D era of gaming will always be my favorite. Nothing can touch the combined 8-bit & 16-bit eras. Nothing. When the 1st gen of 3D consoles came out, (Saturn, N64 & PS), I lost interest in gaming & took a hiatus that didn’t end until 2010 thanks mainly to watching James’ AVGN videos since 2006 & ScrewAttack (which James made me aware of). Even though I’d like to go back & collect some of the consoles I missed out on during that hiatus, nothing will ever touch 2D gaming for me. And these 2 consoles come from that golden 2D era of gaming.

  • August 17, 2012 at 9:27 am

    I think it’s nice that you didn’t say outright that Nintendo is the absolute winner and brought up arguments both for and against both consoles.
    I don’t like either system but that’s because I didn’t live in the time they were the main gaming systems.
    I always was a PC gamer and will be for the end of time. I remember the classics like Army Men, Duke Nukem 2 and 3D, Little Big Adventure, Xargon, Prince of Persia, Abuse of course and I could continue for hours. I don’t know if it’s because of the memories but whenever I play games like these I like it a lot more then if I play a nes or snes or genesis game.
    There is one thing though, there are some games that were ported with a genesis emulator (I think) that I really like. Namely these two games are Earthworm Jim and Comix Zone. So because of that I respect Genesis more. Nowdays I’m more interested in the story and atmosphere that games have and to me Nintendo is just too kiddie and too Japanese. I don’t like the Japanese style, I like the western style of storytelling and such.
    I didn’t want to offend anyone, this is just my personal opinion. πŸ˜‰ I respect that older people who grew up in that era are fond of Nintendo and such but it just doesn’t live up to my standards.
    Also sorry for the long post. πŸ™‚

  • August 17, 2012 at 10:26 am

    The games make the system….

    Final Fantasy 2 &3
    Chrono Trigger
    Super Metroid
    Secret of Mana
    Zelda Link to the Past
    Super Castlevania
    Mortal Kombat 2
    Street Fighter 2 Turbo
    Turtles in Time
    Mario RPG
    DK Country
    Super Metroid
    Super Punch Out
    Super Mario Kart
    Super Mario All Stars

    Genesis dosent hold a candle to those games.. And if you do a top 10 snes favorite games im willing to bet those make your list.

    As far as genesis goes:

    Sonic 2 &3
    Castlevania Bloodlines
    Shining Force 1&2
    Phantasy Star

    Those really are the only genesis games that made me go back to play.

    I was one of those kids who had a super Nintendo and had friends who would say how awesome the genesis was, yet when i would ask “how”? they wouldn’t know.

  • thatrandomperson

    August 17, 2012 at 11:33 am

    it would be cool to see james’s thoughts between the ps3 and the 360

  • Rinji

    August 17, 2012 at 11:51 am

    I cast my vote for the Sega Genesis! LONG LIVE SONIC!

  • NoLifeKing66

    August 17, 2012 at 11:52 am

    Thanks for taking me back to the past. Again.

  • iserlohn

    August 17, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    SNES soundtracks can sound metal too! Listen to this battle theme from Shin Megami Tensei, never released outside Japan unfortunately:

    The most metal thing I’ve ever heard in a video game.

  • August 17, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    I’m honestly a bit surprised when you were going through game music that Donkey Kong was not highlighted there. As far as background music, I felt that Donkey Kong had the best mellow and ambient music that would make you melt into the back of your couch as you drifted off into that game. Stickerbush Symphony. Castlevania 4 ALSO had an amazing sound track.

  • Dobbs351

    August 17, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    You might not have that much knowledge on now’a’days consoles, but.. I would be awesome if you could tell that the xbox360 is best, or the Ps3?
    In my opinion, pc win over all consoles ever

  • August 17, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    One of the best fucking videos you have ever made James, I immensely enjoyed this \ m /

  • cobaltnightsky

    August 17, 2012 at 2:26 pm


    omitting great games on the Genesis does not make the SNES better.
    You said “games make the system”, which is true. However, you cannot simply said a system is better because YOU felt it that way.

    As James said “who am I to judge?” and you simply forget that part. Genesis had tons of great games, it’s just a matter of feeling with them… which make you more keen on the SNES πŸ˜‰

  • iressivor

    August 17, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    Instant goosebumps with the Final Fantasy 6 music. Truly one of the best video game soundtracks ever composed!

  • August 17, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    I grew up a Genesis kid, but as I’ve got older, and got more money to play with, I’ve become a SNES man, but I have to say both are so damn good, it was THE BEST Gaming generation, now things are all ####ed up with digital games, indie games, and selling off game rights, like Crash and Spyro, on the Ps1 those games kicked ass, then they got sold out and their sacred gaming names were soiled by companies like Sierra! LONG LIVE 16 BIT CONSOLES! And by the way, lets get this kickstarter for Cheetahmen 2 Lost levels up to and over 65,000

  • TheGreenLing

    August 17, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    Well, I agree traditional Fighter games such as Street Fighter/Mortal Kombat were better on the SNES, Genesis had way better side scrolling beat em ups, like golden axe and Streets of rage.

  • thiagocolas

    August 17, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    Well, i was a Super Nintendo Guy myself (i had the Nintendo consoles, my cousins had the Sega ones), but i have to say that, when talking about the Games, there are quite a few expecially awesome ones that are not mentioned, and maybe that should have been a tie.

    Things like the Disney Games (SPECIALLY Quackshot), Chakan, the best version of The Immortal, the Ecco the Dolphin series, Comix Zone, the Splatterhouse series and the infernal hellspawn of hard that is Kid Chameleon.

    Really, the Nerd should play Kid Chameleon once to see that Ninja Gaiden is actually pretty simple.

  • ViableNutria797

    August 17, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    I love your videos!

  • knyphu

    August 17, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    As much as I do love Sega, Sonic, I must agree Super Nintendo was the better of the two systems. I’m suprised you never used Chrono’s theme from Chrono trigger in the music comparisson. That song still sends shivers down my spine. Was happy to still hear it later on in the vid πŸ™‚

  • August 17, 2012 at 11:49 pm

    OH James, I was totally with you until the very end, but then I guess old Jimmy took you over… Just kidding!

    I had some minor complaints about you analysis (I’ll only mention sound, in the music part: how could you NOT mention Streets of Rage soundtrack?!) Anyway, excelent job!!

    Now please, PSX vs N64 vs Saturn\Dreamcast!! I go PSX ftw, but I believe you’d pick N64… Surprise me, please!!!


    P.S.: so good to hear “What were they thinking?” again!!

  • diabloarcade

    August 18, 2012 at 1:22 am

    Your younger self was reading a magazine..

  • diabloarcade

    August 18, 2012 at 1:25 am

    and also about the game cases
    this store i go to is selling SNES CIB games for more because rarer…

    Genesis CIB – $3 ea
    SNES CIB – $10-$15 [minus some rare ones]

  • ClassicGamer

    August 18, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    Heck yeah, Super Metroid! That game’s a masterpiece. It never gets the attention it deserves, does it? Actually, the Metroid series in general.

    Anyways, great videos. I found that the SNES is my preference, but there’s no doubt that the Genesis has something that Nintendo can’t recreate, and that’s Sonic. >:)

  • beavischrist

    August 19, 2012 at 12:52 am

    SNES/SFC has Illusion of Gaia, Terranigma, Secret of Mana 1&2, Magical Pop’n, F-Zero, the Goemon games. It’s so obviously the better one that I didn’t even really want the Genesis/MD as a kid.

  • RoachTrident

    August 19, 2012 at 6:19 am

    I Cried at the end πŸ™‚

  • luisjoseromero

    August 19, 2012 at 7:03 am

    what was the game at 4:18 shown after F-Zero?

  • Jimbp

    August 20, 2012 at 1:14 am

    the original model snes didnt yellow. mine is, er was perfect (dsold it to all those gamer nutts who dont like emulators)

  • Jimbp

    August 20, 2012 at 1:14 am


  • Jimbp

    August 20, 2012 at 1:15 am

    i like emulators and money ( :

  • Jimbp

    August 20, 2012 at 1:30 am

    glad your making game reviews, thanks. lots of memorys inside those games.

  • Mr_Angry

    August 20, 2012 at 9:06 am

    Overall an excellent review here and high nostalgic factor for me, thanks for doing this James. I grew up on a Sega Genesis with my brothers but just recently as a birthday gift got my younger brother an original SNES with a lot of games as we never played that console as a kid. While I’ll always have a fondness for Sega I have to agree with your conclusion that overall the SNES was a better console.

    Still, why choose when today you can have both?

  • PoLaR

    August 20, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    I think Aladdin on the SNES was better!

  • java7nerd

    August 21, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    What? You judged the looks of the console without taking in to account the Japanese/European design of the Super Famicom/SNES?

  • Timzor

    August 21, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    My god. That may be the most intense nostalgiagasm I’ve ever experienced.

  • Aaron1375

    August 21, 2012 at 11:32 pm

    Nice video, I liked both consoles too, but I do have a thing for RPGs which is why I give the edge to SNES too. However, I will have to call foul on the backwards compatibility one as I don’t think an unlicensed device should be considered in the argument.

  • ruination

    August 22, 2012 at 7:51 am

    This video was a massive bundle of nostalgia and the finals words hit home real hard. I remember being a hardcore SNES fan as a kid and defending it to the ground in debate with my friends who were Genesis fans. That commercial–I remember my own version of it, “Genesis sucks but Nintendon’t.” A Link to the Past and Final Fantasy III were also my favorite childhood video games, and I pumped quite a few hours into those worlds. My favorite video game moment of all time was the very end of A Link to the Past when the Dark World becomes the Golden Land again and the screen pans across the mountains, with the beautifully composed music and ending with Ganon’s Tower with the sun behind it and fading to black. To this day at age 31 my favorite scenic landscape is to see a golden sunset behind black, silhouetted mountains. I actually have some of the music on my computer and listen to it every once in awhile to reminisce of that simpler time. Thanks for making this video James, your angry videos are hilarious but I definitely enjoyed this one as well.

  • Kukron

    August 22, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    “Long live to 16 bits” < You are so damn right !
    Long life indeed, after 20 years my SNES still works fine, as I see XBox with RROD and overheathing PS3.
    And thanks for this great video full of nostalgia. Secret of Mana is another example of great SNES game.

  • Rotocko

    August 23, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    Back in ’98 I gave my SNES and my game library to my younger cousin thinking I would never really want to play it again. But a few months ago I was watching some AGVN videos, and asked my cousin if he would return my SNES to me at a scheduled family reunion on July 4th weekend. He did. 75% of the games were missing, but that didn’t bother me. I had MY old SNES back, all yellow-stained and everything. Thankfully my girlfriend has some of the classic SNES games that I didn’t come back to me, like Mario World, Metroid 3, Zelda: A Link to the Past, and Super Castlevania 4. She even gave me Secret of Mana on my 31st birthday as a present(yeah, she rules). Now, this console sits between my Xbox 360 and my PS3. Nineteen years old, and it still holds up to the contemporaries. Thank you James for doing what you do.

  • drockopotamus

    August 25, 2012 at 8:27 pm

    Oh wow, Road Rash 3. The music in that game is amazing.

  • RockV

    August 28, 2012 at 11:51 pm

    What about Mario RPG?? One of the top 3 mario games ever made?!?

  • wickeddr

    September 1, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    the sega had a way crappy’er sound chip because they decided to sacrifice the sound for the faster cpu instead but honestly there was no need for a 8 mhz cpu they shld of kept it at 3.5 or even 5 or 6 mhz and still had put in a better sound chip without making the price too high….as for nintendo thats what they did they only had a 3.5 mhz cpu so they didnt have to sacrifice the sound chip wich is why over all its the best console because its more well rounded and thought out

  • oliverworld

    September 9, 2012 at 3:42 pm


  • September 11, 2012 at 11:25 pm

    I enjoyed both videos very much, but I just wish that you had mentioned Shining Force and Shadowrun. If you had never played them, I think you should look into both games. Shadowrun had two completely different games on both systems. Both were good, but I find the Genesis version to be better.

  • iLikeTehGamez

    November 4, 2012 at 3:14 am

    You know what’s great about Super Metroid? Usinjg the triggers to aim at angles. You can aim down+right and run, its so fkin awesome.

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