SOPA and Protect IP

James / December 18th, 2011


I’ve remained silent in this issue for a while, and I get messages about it all the time. I just wanted to let everyone know I’m aware and to make others aware too.

Congress is trying to pass two bills that will change the face of the internet. One is called Protect IP, but the one that’s been a real hot topic lately is SOPA (Stop Online Piracy Act.) It’s an attempt to stop online piracy. Of course, I do not support piracy, but the way the bill is written is very broad and open for interpretation.

Here are the way some others have interpreted it.

I usually prefer to stay out of politics. But this seems like something that could affect the internet in a bad way. The bills should target piracy and do just that. But many seem to think it would affect doing movie reviews, video game reviews, or anything of that nature. There already exist fair use laws that permit the partial use of copyrighted works for criticism or educational value. Like I said, the language in the bill is very broad, but many say it means fair use will no longer exist on the internet. That would mean no more AVGN videos. Nothing. That would mean mass job losses for all small companies online. The internet’s been a source of innovation and the bills have been criticized for being being very badly worded. Until they’ve been revised, it’s best that these bills do not pass in their current form.

I just want to provide entertainment. I want you to come to this site, laugh and enjoy my videos. The last thing I would ever want to do is send everyone into a panic. It’s especially hard for me to write this, since it comes during the holiday season. I thought I’d be able to wait until January to speak up, but the supporters of these bills are rushing them through as fast as they can. They aren’t taking enough advise from tech experts. And they don’t seem to be open to any changes to the bills. The way in which they are going about it seems very wrong.

The current status on SOPA is that it will continue debate in early 2012, but anything can change. Keep an eye on it.

Until these bills get revised, they shouldn’t be rushed into passing. Here’s some links I found for various petitions. (Enter your zipcode to find your representative)

Here is a petition to get SOPA vetoed. This goes directly goes to the whitehouse. It already met its 25,000 signature goal, but having more signatures really helps. So please register here and sign this petition.


  • Big McLargehuge

    December 18, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    I’ve heard about these acts, but I didn’t take them seriously until now. This is really scary. I’m not American but this pretty much cripples the entire internet. A big part of our way of life for the past 20 years could be destroyed because of politicians and corporations. This is very sad news.

  • JamesFlaherty

    December 18, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    Oh Jesus, no more Nerd, Critic, or Snob. We can’t let this happen to internet, the only place left where you can use your first amendment right, with no consequences. FUCK THAT!

  • kenshinrurouni

    December 18, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    fuck how can we stop this?

    • JamesFlaherty

      December 18, 2011 at 7:06 pm

      @kenshinrurouni Go sign some of these petitions like I have been. This is some serious shit.

    • MotherFucker Mike

      December 18, 2011 at 7:35 pm

      @kenshinrurouni call your representatives and tell them you don’t support the two bills.

      • RossWilson

        December 19, 2011 at 12:58 am

        @MotherFucker [email protected]

      • Erwinator

        December 19, 2011 at 12:04 pm

        @MotherFucker Mike

        I don’t support it.

        I don’t know if I’ll use a Pc again if this will happen. It will be very boring without the reviews , top 10 etc.

        and isn’t this worldwide censorship? And what do Europian countries say about this?

  • LicaWolf

    December 18, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    This is truly worrisome. I’m not american, but I’ve been following this since TGWTG people got involved and started raising awareness. The way the internet works, this is going to affect us all, not only the US. Here is a petition for foreigners, let’s stand all together against this, guys!:

  • itscmillertime

    December 18, 2011 at 7:08 pm

    I listen to talk radio and NPR every day and it’s amazing how little coverage this has gotten. I first heard about this a few weeks ago and it really is scary stuff.

  • DanielAdams

    December 18, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    You know what’s BULLSHIT????

    These bills.

  • yk1989

    December 18, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    I still don’t understand well that bill. Imagine… Just for a while imagine THAT bill in real life… It would be like Being Sued by Nike just because you are showing their logo printed in your shirt. The problem is that Youtube is NOT doing piracy showing videos… Damn they even PROMOTE the product showing it. I can understand Blocking videos from series that are being broadcaster in TV. Especially those hard to find. But imagine old series. Subtitled anime, Indie games, Indie game mods. You will be not capable of watching them because they can ben them any moment they want. And DAMN, im just talking about youtube. And why that won’t work? Easy, piracy can’t be stopped. Because people who do that, are srsly clever. and they will find the way to keep their business.

    Now let me explain.. The congress is planning to literally BUTCH the internet as an anti-piracy method. The results… Kill the piracy temporally. Along any media that can promote piracy, and some media can be shut forever, While the pirates will still be around. Make reviews is not Infringement, Promoting a product with no lucrative means is neither infringment. and As you can guess… NEITHER showing images from any product is… I can only consider as a serious crime making money from the work of others…. THAT is infringement…

  • Olivania

    December 18, 2011 at 7:38 pm

    This bill is one of the worst ideas ever. Game reviews, film reviews, play through videos and much more actually help companies and are kinda like free advertisement. I bought countless, films, games and CDs because I watched reviews by fans who spend a lot of time and show great dedication in presenting the material to others. I’m not an American, I live in Europe, is there anything people from outside the US can do something to help?

  • randi

    December 18, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    lets go to Switzerland,2817,2397173,00.asp

    • Olivania

      December 22, 2011 at 11:06 am

      @randi I’m already there 😀 We are all Pirates! Arrrrrrrr.

  • Lyra_Heartstrings

    December 18, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    These morons in congress need to go back to the old folks home and let people who know the consequences of ruining the internet run the place. These people are idiots, and have no clue what they’re doing, not only to the internet, but to freedom of speech in general.

  • BriKost

    December 18, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    What really bothers me is that this falls under the belief that “we can make big changes quickly and solve every problem!” This never works, and could threaten the precarious balance that all democracies work on.

  • lozzo

    December 18, 2011 at 8:54 pm

    They need to keep one very important thing in mind: Look at what has happened already all over the globe to places that tried to control the internet. The leaders are ousted and some are dead. The American government needs a massive re-do. They’ll get it in the worst way possible if this passes.

  • IanMcFarland

    December 18, 2011 at 9:06 pm

    Let them push us as far as they can. But there’s a bullet here with each of their names on it, and when the government finally falls to its facist knees under the weight of the commonman’s fury, there will be no mercy. There is no more time for peace; our government has shown us that they are intent on stealing away our rights until we have nothing left to defend us. These bills go hand in hand with one of an even bigger threat. Soon, simply being suspected of being a terrorist will have you indefinitly imprisoned without trial. The internet will be closely monitored and censored. You’re blind if you can’t see the connections. When our coorporate masters want competition removed, you’re a terrorist. I say the time is soon to come for us to march on Wall Street and to march on Washington D.C. If it could be another way, then let our government prove itself. We should not fear our government; our government should fear us!

    • Devil_Rising

      December 18, 2011 at 11:27 pm

      @IanMcFarland Uh………you make a minor point. But really…..leave the Tea Party bullshit in your home, not this site. Thanks.

      • lozzo

        December 19, 2011 at 12:58 am

        @[email protected] You are trying to do to IanMcFarland exactly what this bill will eventually lead to. Freedom of the internet. Instead of telling him what he can and cannot say on the internet, that is if you can figure out how to. Also, what he said was more along the lines of what the “occupy” protesters are spewing not the tea party, but that’s all I’ll say on that. Don’t want to turn this sight in to an argument den.

      • lozzo

        December 19, 2011 at 1:07 am

        @[email protected] You are trying to do to IanMcFarland exactly what this bill will lead to. No freedom on the internet. It’s people like you that spear head these bills. Sure it may not be direct, but you lend credence to it with those types of statements. The internet is a place for all views. Even this one of yours. I’m just pointing out that if you want to claim to not support this bill, then statements such as yours are hardly the type of rhetoric that should be spouted.

        Also, it’s more like the “occupy” protestors “bullshit” then the tea partys. (It wasn’t “tea party” wall street, it was “occupy.” Ian said basically the same thing concerning marches.) That’s all I’ll say on that, since I don’t want this site to become a den of political babel… Although this page pretty much entices it 😛

      • Devil_Rising

        December 19, 2011 at 1:41 am

        @[email protected] Right. Because I tell him to leave his personal politics out of this, somehow I’m “not truly standing against these bills”. Nice logic. First off, it IS Tea Party rhetoric, to say that if they don’t do what we want, well, we COULD just go kill them all. The “Occupy” movement, while sometimes rather stupid, is a peaceful one with ultimately noble goals, even if they don’t seem to know how to do it effectively. But that’s besides the point. This isn’t about political bullshit. Implying that we should threaten politicians is pretty heavy stuff. This is about NOT allowing mass censorship of the internet, nothing more. Connecting it to other tin-hat rhetoric, isn’t helping anything.So thanks for “correcting” me, but I’m good. I know what I’m talking about, and stand by my comments. Have a nice day.

      • December 19, 2011 at 10:42 am

        @[email protected]@IanMcFarland I didn’t lock this thread because while I disagree with your opinions I respect your right to voice them =) Play nice.

      • Devil_Rising

        December 19, 2011 at 3:55 pm

        @[email protected]@IanMcFarland “Screenwavemedia”? Don’t you just service Cinemassacre videos? Motherfucker Mike and James are the ones that could “lock threads” on this website, being the owner and operators, and besides that, James started this “thread” on HIS website to let us all know what’s up and GET us talking and thinking and acting about this. What is there to “disagree” with, unless you’re talking about Iozzo and Ian’s “opinions”? All I’ve said is “Leave your personal politics at home, and discuss the facts of this issue.” Period. Have a nice day “screenwavemedia”.

      • RikuHimawari

        December 20, 2011 at 11:42 pm

        @[email protected]@IanMcFarland Devil Rising, I am very happy to actually see someone make a shred of goddamn sense in all this.I am really, really tired of reading about these Tea Party rhethorics (as you named them, and rather well, I might add), from these pseudo-activists trying to play hero-go-save-the-world. These children are clearly misinterpreting the movements going on behind the scenes as we speak. It isn’t about spearheading a frontal attack against the goddamn Whitehouse, it’s about peace. That’s is.These… children use expensive words they find in documentaries and blogs across the Internet to voice out their poorly conceived minds about politics when they should shut the hell up and, perhaps, read some goddamn History Books, so they find out that throughout history, those who were stupid enough to actually try to solve censorship with violence died in a fucking ditch, miserably, and achieved NOTHING.So thank you, Devil Rising. Thank you for restoring my faith in human intelectuality. And thank you for restoring my faith in the existence of IQs comprised of more than two digits. And I apologise for the extensive cursing. Things like these truly get under my skin at times.

      • Devil_Rising

        December 21, 2011 at 12:35 am

        @RikuHimawariI try my best. 😉

  • bhaschalk

    December 18, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    I believe in control, but in this context I feel (ironically happily able to spew my first amendment right ) saying…government should feel afraid of their people, no the other way around. 11/5

  • tellumyort

    December 18, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    Can we please promote protecting our civil rights without threatening violence and spouting conspiracy theory rhetoric. James is actually being intelligent while calling attention to this issue, there don’t need to be anymore comments that take away from his credibility.

    • bhaschalk

      December 18, 2011 at 9:40 pm

      @tellumyort ^support^ =)

  • December 18, 2011 at 10:27 pm

    When did James find out about SOPA anyway?

  • December 18, 2011 at 10:27 pm

    When did James find out about SOPA anyway?

    • Devil_Rising

      December 19, 2011 at 4:03 pm

      @Avalscence I’d wager probably awhile ago. It’s been an issue that’s been coming for quite some time.

  • mcb01

    December 18, 2011 at 10:27 pm

    I joined the EFF this weekend to protest these bills. I donated money to them and to, another digital rights group. I wrote to my congressman and two senators today a letter detailing how horrible these bills are. The best we can do is keep protesting and fighting for our rights. I urge everyone else to write to their representatives too. It is much easier to do so than you may think. Just go to here and enter your zip code.

  • December 18, 2011 at 10:28 pm

    Does this also mean no more Mother Fucker Mike videos?

    • MotherFucker Mike

      December 18, 2011 at 11:35 pm

      @Avalscence It means there will be no more videos from us period. This website will most likely have to completely shut down. Please pick up your phones and call. Follow this

      link to to stop these bills.

      • atlex

        December 19, 2011 at 7:14 am

        @MotherFucker [email protected] When you say ‘no more videos from us period,’ does that mean no more AVGN movie?

      • mcb01

        December 19, 2011 at 1:41 pm

        @[email protected] [email protected]

        Pretty sure the AVGN movie would be protected under fair use. The bills shouldn’t affect it all if it goes straight to DVD.

      • Devil_Rising

        December 19, 2011 at 3:49 pm

        @[email protected]@MotherFucker [email protected] Hate to break it to you, but if you actually watch the videos James posted, it clearly says, in terms of BOTH bills, that “fair use” gets shit on and shoved out the window. Sure, we could all assume that the government, beholden to these industries, would “restrain themselves” and be “reasonable” about HOW they affect and enforce the VERY broad language of these bills. But when is the last time you could honestly say you trust industry OR your government that much? No. If videos on the internet aren’t protected by “fair use”, then shit going to DVD most CERTAINLY would not be.

      • mcb01

        December 20, 2011 at 12:15 pm

        @Devil_RisingI have already watched all the videos above.

      • mcb01

        December 19, 2011 at 8:11 am

        @MotherFucker Mike I haven’t yet seen any evidence that says an independent site like this would be shut down, unless someone finds actual infringing activity. Then it would get shut down without due process. This is why these bills must be killed because that is just unconstitutional. Right now the videos on this site are covered under fair use and I have not seen anything that says fair use would change even under these bills (correct me if I’m wrong). The big concern with the bills is sites can just be shut down for no good reason. Worst case, keep making the videos and host them elsewhere.

      • MotherFucker Mike

        December 19, 2011 at 10:34 am

        @mcb01 We would have to take down and stop production on all our videos such as movies reviews, top 10s, AVGN, Game Glitches, Monster Madness, Board James and a majority of original films. If we don’t have those shows, we will lose traffic and eventually not be able to pay to host the website.

      • December 19, 2011 at 10:39 am

        @MotherFucker [email protected] We’ll find a way to keep it going Mike. Have faith!

      • mcb01

        December 19, 2011 at 1:40 pm

        @MotherFucker MikeI’m confused why you would need to take down these things to begin with. Especially the videos you make from scratch which have no copyrighted material in them to begin with. Hopefully it doesn’t come to this and I’m sure you and James will fight it.

      • creecreehoneybee

        December 20, 2011 at 2:19 pm

        @MotherFucker [email protected]

        James and Mike, I just want you to know that I love your site and I just sent out that all important letter. I wish you guys the best. 🙂

  • Inspector Butters

    December 18, 2011 at 10:51 pm

    Hey Everyone:

    Mike is right to suggest to contact your representatives. Here is some info to help with that:

    For the U.S. House of Representatives: From there, select the find your representative option and enter your ZIP code. You can send an e-mail or call.

    For the U.S. Senate: In the upper right hand corner of the the screen, select your home state and both of your Senators. Remember junior high civics class: The Senate and House check each other, since a bill must pass through both to become law. So let them know too!

    • Inspector Butters

      December 18, 2011 at 11:01 pm

      Oh, and the President has to sign the bill too. Forgot that.

  • Devil_Rising

    December 18, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    Anyone who supports these bills are morons. And that includes regular people, not just congress or the entertainment industry. All the industry cares about is making money, and they fear they’re losing money to the internet, and “piracy”, real or imagined. This would be tantamount to us basically becoming China, whose citizens can barely do shit, whatsoever, online because of state internet censorship. If people can’t even post clips or pictures of “copyrighted material”, just to TALK about them, make a joke reference, you name it, that is a sad fucking world we live in.

    • gamez

      December 19, 2011 at 9:09 am

      Well the main blame goes to the music industry. They are the main suppoters of the bill. @Devil_Rising

      • Devil_Rising

        December 19, 2011 at 3:45 pm

        @gamez I don’t doubt that. But the movie industry, and TV industry are just as much to blame. Hell, for all we know, certain video game companies even, don’t like that people like The Nerd use footage of games in simple review videos. Who knows. All I know is that we live in a country where the profit motive is out of hand, and ultimately seems to be all that really matters to many.

  • ChrisJamesBudgell

    December 18, 2011 at 11:49 pm

    im from canada and i hope these bills do not past for the sake of this world because i do not want to see alot of pissed off people likely to start a civil war over this issue that i have a feeling if true * slight paranoid here*i dont know what i can do to help but this is the one point i wish you guys luck WE are going to need it because we can have this happen this will drive the ecomony even further down to the grounds

    • ChrisJamesBudgell

      December 18, 2011 at 11:50 pm


      can’t* below the end paragraph

  • stopnswop2

    December 18, 2011 at 11:55 pm

    I just sent letters to my Florida senators, and the representatives, to do my part to protect Cinemassacre, and even the internet as we know it. I got my friends to write letters as well, but it will take a lot more than a couple of letters written by fourteen year olds to not let this bill pass. I’m doing my best to oppose this bill, so James and Mike, if you guys find anything else we can do, please let us know.

  • Analbag thats me

    December 19, 2011 at 12:05 am

    I studied IP in law school, and work in the area of online privacy and product warranties. My friend is at an organization in DC that specializes in online privacy. This act is absolutely awful! It’s like pulling out a shotgun to shoot a fly in a room. Regardless of whether you care about protecting the work of artists or not, this bill is NOT the way to do it. It would essentially create a huge problem for people like James who does a lot of fair use stuff. All of his parodies would be subject to a filtering done by Youtube, Google, and any other major website/organization where you can search for material. They would be forced to filter things out that the IP holders informed them were infringing, and would have little individual incentive to fight these requests on a case by case basis. The people like James who would ultimately have to fight it don’t have the resources to do so, and so it would lead to a lot of overprotection. In a nutshell, this act would hamper the entire industry of internetainers. They’d be gone people, subject only to an ROI calculation on the part of businesses instead of being allowed to flourish as they currently do. Please, anyone who reads this, please sign a petition, write a letter to a senator, do anything you can to prevent this from going through.

  • RossWilson

    December 19, 2011 at 12:59 am

    save from reading for over an hour can only people in the US do something about this as in sign petitions, send letter and just generally complain or can people over sea’s (the UK) do anything as from what i read its a US act/law but it would have global effect, or am i completely off the mark?

    • RossWilson

      December 19, 2011 at 1:07 am

      @RossWilson after watching the second video i think i’ve got my answer

  • RossWilson

    December 19, 2011 at 1:00 am

    save from reading for over an hour can only people in the US do something about this as in sign petitions, send letter and just generally complain or can people over sea’s (the UK) do anything as from what i read its a US act/law but it would have global effect.

  • ReedMiland

    December 19, 2011 at 1:29 am

    I would call my senator if I could, I may write a letter though. In fact, I will write a letter ASAP (like after my comment here), I signed petitions on stopping this stuff already, and will sign more if needed. I know Channel Awesome already went there. Thanks to Noah Antwiler, He explained what happened. I believe what he said, if there is such a problem, then tweek the DMCA a little, not overhaul, but make it so it can cover certain things. We do not need a new bill or two for this while we have something that already works well enough.

  • Mako

    December 19, 2011 at 1:53 am

    Protect IP is just as bad as SOPA. Some are even saying that they’re purposefully trying to make SOPA outrageously unconstitutional just so Protect IP doesn’t look as bad. They’re both bad.Also, I’m sincerely glad that you both “try to stay out of politics” and know when it’s important to intervene. Thanks James!

  • tburns2121

    December 19, 2011 at 1:54 am

    Are you guys going to make a video to raise awareness?

    • Slaktarrn

      December 19, 2011 at 2:03 am

      @tburns2121 Ofcourse he will man!

  • XrossessSinclairZyphos

    December 19, 2011 at 2:07 am

    its all cause of people who try to extort oney out of everything, like the people who run crunchy roll

  • XrossessSinclairZyphos

    December 19, 2011 at 2:07 am

    its all cause of people who try to extort money out of everything, like the people who run crunchy roll

  • Deln

    December 19, 2011 at 2:28 am

    i doubt my letter would do anything(im in canada) but you guys got my support.

  • AnotherJames

    December 19, 2011 at 2:32 am

    I appreciate your reluctance to get into this, James, but I think at this point you kinda have to. I signed the petition, and will be e-mailing and calling my representatives many times this week.

    For folks who want to go the extra mile (or have some extra time on their hands this week), I’d suggest doing the same. Watch the videos James posted so you really do get a good understanding of what’s at stake here, and then write or phone your Congressmen. They’re actually busy folks, Congressmen, and many of them (big surprise) don’t read a good majority of the bills they vote on; they rely on their aides to give them the information they need to make a decision. That’s why it’s VERY important to voice your opinion as much as you can, as often as you can, as articulately as you can. The Congressmen and the staffers likely aren’t even aware of how heavy these bills are, and it’s up to us voters and ONLY us to let them know.

  • OlaviPössi

    December 19, 2011 at 3:43 am

    Theres no way they’re gonna get acts like sopa or acta through. Just no fucking way. Still it’s good to fight against it 🙂

  • VirgoShaka

    December 19, 2011 at 4:35 am

    Foolish politicians ! They’ll never won against us ! Like the metal, you can’t kill internet !

  • Jokerhh82

    December 19, 2011 at 5:25 am

    “Attention, the following Text is written in horrible Grammar due to the fact i am no native English speaker. ty.”

    Serious shit…

    Here in Germany we face a somehow similar threat right now.

    While its not about piracy it still leads to mass censorship aswell.

    I read something about using a shotgun against flies, that absolutely nails it.

    While the Argument is to stop Childporn (wich eventually is the more noble Goal than to stop Piracy, in my opinion) it still grants the Government the right to take down Websites without further investigation.

    Yet taking down Websites hosting Childporn is fine by me this is ultimatley a “step in the door”, building the infrastructure, next up will be Piracy and whatnot…

    If “they” first gain the right to do such things its easy to expand such a law to whatever they want to be censored.

    With the Big Industrys trying to have as much influence in politics we all know to what this would lead to.

    I suggest to you to use everying Democracy has to offer to stand up against something like that.

    While i am against piracy and absolutely against childporn there are already Laws covering shit like that.

    Here in Germany there is Law based everything you need to stop piracy and or childporn wihtout the need to enable the Government to Censor the last Bastion of Freedom of Speech!

    Greetings from Germany, and good luck to you all and especially to James and Mike, man i would miss Cinemassacre!

    Dont let this happen.

  • DaveMcGrath

    December 19, 2011 at 6:56 am

    This shit scares the fuck out of me. America was started via revolution. And they are pushing real fucking hard for another if they actually pass this bill. It will only be the beginning. And this is not going to stop people. It will only encourage hostile internet activity.

  • DonSkiver

    December 19, 2011 at 7:29 am

    This bill is the first step towards full blown censorship and the destruction of free speech. Big Brother is WATCHING YOU FOR THE GOOD OF THE ALL MIGHTY DOLLAR. Under the guise of “protecting” businesses from “piracy” all they are doing is giving businesses carte blanche to take down anything they don’t like. If this bill passes, it will be so much easier to just expand it to cover more things and take away more of our rights.

    MARK MY WORDS, if this bill passes, it will be the beginning of the end of the information age. There will be a new age ushered in, the CENSORSHIP AGE.

    Fuck this bullshit. I should move to canada. Though it won’t help the internet any, at least I will be able to wash my hands of this disgusting anti-libertarian country.

    • mcb01

      December 19, 2011 at 7:52 am

      @DonSkiver Well I hope it doesn’t come to that. We need people to stay and fight this thing. The country isn’t the problem, it’s the people running it.

  • DanielHurst

    December 19, 2011 at 8:03 am

    They pass this…. Just another loophole to overcome 🙂

    • DanielHurst

      December 19, 2011 at 8:38 am

      @DanielHurst The more I look into this the more I see how it would suck for James and common internet users. analyzing this with a buddy, this would do nothing for pirates since the websites would still be available by IP addresses. Still I am against this. James you should do a Angry Protect IP review…

  • December 19, 2011 at 9:00 am

    I’m from Italy, but this bill is scaring me because I’m a user of MANY American site, and not only I have fear to lost all of my hard work posting things in those sites, but I have also the fear that these bills were the beginning of lost of freedom.

    I feel sick…America is not a free land? I hope that there bills would not pass…or we are all fucked!

    • GiovanniGinoCaffarella

      December 19, 2011 at 9:44 am

      @Kiarachu L’America è perduta!

      • December 19, 2011 at 11:38 am

        Che pessimista! Secondo me non passerà…è anticostituzionale…speriamo…io ho un account su DA e anche su altri siti che verrebbero cancellati se questa proposta di legge passasse…e mi dispiacerebbe [email protected]

      • GiovanniGinoCaffarella

        December 19, 2011 at 3:03 pm

        @[email protected] Possiamo solo sperare!Sono stato in America per troppo tempo! Ho vistomolte delle cose che non mi piace. Ma questo è il mondo e nulla è perfetto!

      • December 19, 2011 at 3:56 pm

        Mi immagino…beh qua in Italia la situazione non è proprio rosea eh…anche se Berlusconi non è più al governo, le cose non son migliorate u_u. Beh, speriamo… @GiovanniGinoCaffarella

  • sterling.treadwell

    December 19, 2011 at 9:52 am

    It makes perfect sense that they’ll try and rush thisbill right now. The season has everyone totally distracted by the holidays and travelling for it and shopping and playing the enslaught of new games and movies. The public is generally totally distracted andnot really watching.. so slipping the bill in during the mess is.. brilliant.

    And totally fucking dastardly. Because theyknow if it gets too much attention the public will raise a HUGE stink and it’ll become “big business vs US public” and well.. after the death of the world economy due to various big business practices of bending over the world and burying their fist to the shoulder, the public is still pretty disgusted with them. Heck every time they report that consumer confidence is still low and people aren’t spending as much (or investing on the stock market) I laugh and imagine it’s because people are still generally pissed and don’t want to help those bastards at all.. (though I know thats not systematically true.. it makes me smile)

    I hate the idea for this. I like that they’re trying to find a way to combat piracy and fix a long broken situation, but going about it like this is sort of the escalation tactics where ” hey bad guys use bigger guns, so lets up the ante and use something more powerful to take em down!”. They’re handing the internet over to the richest, biggest, most powerful companies in the world and saying ” Here you go, police it and let us know what you need shut down”. Is that really going to help the world? Sounds an aweful lot like placing the responsibility for determining if all books, music and art are “wholesome or not” into 1 groups hands and saying ” you tell us what to do oh great and powerful lord” and leaving it at that.

    I.. would not be surprised if we saw a Guy Fawkes type revolution if this passes where if they start slicing up the web, pirates and hackers just start shutting DOWN the web by attacking every lobbying big company that pushed this bill into place…

    Or the web splits(strangely I predicted this in a book I started years ago) and we end up with the “Internet run by government and big business” and we get the “Underweb”, a free to use but separate WAN that they can’t touch. 🙂 LOL the entire web exists not on central servers but on torrent style clouds.. hehehe

  • Fei Wong

    December 19, 2011 at 10:29 am

    I’m from Spain and here the goverment has a law to pass the case of closing a web involving piracy that puts music or illegal download of movies etc to a suite of govern’s lawyers, closing websites by law, thats not a great idea. And for that i support you fellow American people, do not give the power to an already fat fat world of corruption that are the Government!

  • FrankieAddiego

    December 19, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    There seems to be a lot of “apparently…” this and “according to a lot of people…” that, which tells me that you haven’t even read the bill. You’ve got a bunch of links to all sorts of left-wing propaganda sites, but where’s the link to the actual bill itself?

    I have yet to see anything in SOPA that would “trample all over” the fair use laws (17 U.S.C. § 107), and nobody can seem to direct me to an actual part of the bill that does.

    I’m not saying I don’t have any problems with the bill, but I know when “progressives” are trying to scare us.

    • mcb01

      December 19, 2011 at 1:30 pm


      This is what I’ve been wondering too. There is no reason to think cinemassacre would be blacklisted because the material on this site falls under fair use. UNLESS..someone were to inform the government that there was infringing material here, which could cause them to blacklist the site without due process, even if there is no such infringement. This is why the bills are unconstitutional and must be stopped.

  • adal2007

    December 19, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    No one can compete with free !!!!

  • adal2007

    December 19, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    Im from Latin america, and here we cant access since last year, any usa sites, is this part of this crap?

    i mean we can access some sites, but all country domains for example, but i cannot reach, i even tried sending a ping, and nothing, is this the same style of crap?


  • ZodiacBeast88

    December 19, 2011 at 1:31 pm

    So instead of trying to fix the economy, they’re trying to rush things through Congress that will ultimately give them the authority to force things from the internet that aren’t infringing upon the rights of the creator, just because someone doesn’t like it? Smart move, dumbasses.

  • TommyO'Neil

    December 19, 2011 at 2:14 pm

    You should do a YKWBS video on this.

  • ChrisGallo

    December 19, 2011 at 3:07 pm

    they better not pass the law and take off avgn.

    • MotherFucker Mike

      December 19, 2011 at 3:13 pm

      @ChrisGallo Call your representative now and maybe they won’t.

  • ElliottJacobAmes

    December 19, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    I am against thsi Bill 100% this affects me personally and I a Brit will voice my opinion and contined to do so untill this has been stopped and my and Your opinion can remain safe!!

  • Dreamcast

    December 19, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    Something i don’t get…

    Lets say James makes a video and the only footage he uses is of a game from 20 years ago. Would that game company need to complain?!

    Surely for really old games, no-one cares. Do LJN care if James slags off Roger Rabbit?

    But, this would be bad for the internet in general…

  • MetalNick

    December 19, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    These bills are terrifying, but we also need to worry about the National Defense Authorization Act for fiscal 2012. These three bills show that Congress and the Obama administration are actively trying to undermine the Constitution of the United States of America. We are witnessing the federal government opening the door for future (legal) hostilities toward its citizens and to citizens of every other country.

    • itscmillertime

      December 19, 2011 at 6:14 pm

      @MetalNick Ok, I wouldn’t say that Obama is out there trying to undermine the constitution. And where in the constitution is the right bootleg online streams of harry potter? I’m against this bill too but don’t go saying that our president has some agenda to destroy the fabric of our society.

      • MetalNick

        December 19, 2011 at 11:35 pm

        @itscmillertime I’m usually not one to engage in political hyperbole, but from Obama’s actions concerning the NDAA and the provisions to detain American citizens (and anyone else, for that matter) indefinitely without trial, it’s hard to believe that he is a just and caring leader. If he does not veto SOPA or Protect IP he is being demonstratively malicious.

        Regarding your point about bootlegging: I never said anything about there being a right to bootleg or pirate anything. Did you not watch the videos or read up on SOPA and PIP? It’s pretty obvious that their main purpose isn’t to stop piracy. I was mostly referring to the NDAA, but the other two bills obviously favor corporations over the people. People, by the way, which the Constitution, specifically the Bill of Rights, was written to protect.

  • TwistedSpeech

    December 19, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    Like George Carlin said; “It’s all bullshit and it’s bad for ya, folks.” This government doesn’t give a damn about it’s people. They just want to control everything and make everyone miserable by restricting their freedoms. Ron Paul is starting to look pretty good right about now.

    • FrankieAddiego

      December 19, 2011 at 3:31 pm

      @TwistedSpeech After-all, nobody has anything better to do then upload old episodes of Family Matters onto YouTube.

      • TwistedSpeech

        December 19, 2011 at 3:42 pm

        @FrankieAddiego Yeah, that’s so evil. You should go to jail with hefty fines because you took your old tapes and let people watch them for free. How dare you. Pfff…idiots.

      • itscmillertime

        December 19, 2011 at 6:15 pm

        @[email protected] Don’t; you ever read the FBI warning.

      • December 19, 2011 at 8:43 pm

        @[email protected]

        So true, but I find more people have nothing to do but upload old episodes of Family Guy onto YouTube.

  • December 19, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    I’m not a political man. I never was and I don’t care for the business. But a greater sin than committing an evil act is the indifference of good men. I am going to contact my State Rep just to be able to say that I stood against it.

    • MotherFucker Mike

      December 19, 2011 at 3:46 pm

      @Spieltgeist Thank you.

      • December 19, 2011 at 3:48 pm

        @MotherFucker Mike For youse, us, and all the other internets

      • FredFuchedMeUp

        December 19, 2011 at 7:18 pm

        @MotherFucker [email protected]

        I met you and James at the autograph signing last year in Clifton, NJ.

        James even signed my PowerGlove.

        I don’t want to our favorite Nerd and his upcoming movie vanish like the final SwordQuest tournaments.

        My fandom will always last a lifetime.

        I wish you, James and Cinemassacre the best of all luck and I will continue to sign petitions to keep the website running.

        AVGN 4 EVER!

      • ChrisGallo

        December 19, 2011 at 9:33 pm

        @MotherFucker [email protected]

        Hey Mike if this law passes are you still going to make the AVGN movie?

      • gamez

        December 19, 2011 at 11:14 pm

        Mike has James signed any petitions and voiced his concern. And have you as well. @MotherFucker Mike @Spieltgeist

    • MotherFucker Mike

      December 19, 2011 at 3:46 pm

      @Spieltgeist Thank you.

  • MaxBresee

    December 19, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    Cinemassacre is the one who got me into classic horror. If it were not for him, I would not have given Universal, and other companies my money.

  • ThrowntoReality

    December 19, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    Shouldn’t ScrewAttack be able to avoid this law by moving their servers to Canada or the United Kingdom? Shouldn’t Canadian and British laws be the ones to follow in that case?

    Just a thought!

    • tomboshoven

      December 19, 2011 at 5:42 pm

      @ThrowntoReality Nope. This would not work, as long as they themselves stay in the US. If they’re not, they will simply be blocked inside the US and their domain name will be stolen.

  • mcb01

    December 19, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    Anyone having trouble signing the petition posted above? It says I’ve already signed but haven’t.

  • ChrisJamesBudgell

    December 19, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    hey James or motherfucker mike *digging the name it rymes lol* but seriously anyways i hope you dont mind that i quoted the entire speech by james onto another gamesite Called NintendoLife i provided the source and links and everything im a canadian trying to help prevent some kind of disaster from happening from this so im spreading this news to those aware and unaware at the same time to the full extent of what this means

  • ChrisJamesBudgell

    December 19, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    hey James or motherfucker mike *digging the name it rymes lol* but seriously anyways i hope you dont mind that i quoted the entire speech by james onto another gamesite Called NintendoLife i provided the source and links and everything im a canadian trying to help prevent some kind of disaster from happening from this so im spreading this news to those aware and unaware at the same time to the full extent of what this means

  • rjnr

    December 19, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    There’s been lots of talk on Reddit about this, I did wonder if you using footage from games/movies/tv etc would be reason enough to get blocked… What’s your IP address, again?

  • TimedEaglet

    December 19, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    Hello James mate, i have signed a petition, im from the UK so not sure if my vote will count, lets hope things will turn out ok.

  • SilverSlimer

    December 19, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    Signing a petition is nice and dandy but only works temporarily. If this bill is brought down, the people behind its creation will simply find another way to get what they want and will remove the possibility of petitions as an obstacle. My suggestion, and one I’m begrudgingly considering, is to hit these the people behind the bill where it hurts. Tell yourself that behind every questionable bill, there is a corporation which makes its money off of the backs of consumers. If you want to show them that you’re pissed, stop consuming whatever they are offering and let them know that you did and especially why you did.

  • adal2007

    December 19, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    So, they are defending the rights of big corporations, but destroying the rights of the users that made those corporations big in the first place. So, whats the catch? whos behind this, dont tell me this is just a big corporation thing, this is a international thing that is setting up something else.

  • itscmillertime

    December 19, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    Remember, remember the 21st of December…

  • December 19, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    No offense to anyone, but I believe personally that even if we petition the govt. and all this other stuff, It still doesn’t mean they’re gonna listen to us. They only listen to either themselves or the money in their pockets. Granted, this is a great nation. It has allowed for a lot of creativity. apparently, thats not what corporations want. I say that whether this bill passes or not, we should boycott anything related to these corporations. That includes South Park, among other things. instead we play GOOD video games instead of Call of Duty or whatever.

    • December 19, 2011 at 6:33 pm

      This bill is like what the congressman tried to do to Jefferson Smith in “Smith Goes To Washington” It’s very corrupt and needs put in it’s place.

    • December 19, 2011 at 6:43 pm

      This bill is like what the Senators tried to do to Jefferson Smith in “Smith Goes To Washington” It’s very corrupt and needs put in it’s place.

  • FredFuchedUp

    December 19, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    I’ve just finished signing every single one of the petitions you have posted.


  • Daniel5555_en

    December 19, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    I can’t do much about this since I live outside of US and I’m not American citizen… The only thing I did was signing some online petitions like the one from which are for everyone, but I’m not sure how much it really helps.

    I really hope this bill will not pass.

  • theretrogamer14

    December 19, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    my parents thought this wouldn’t get too big, but now IM REALLY SCARED NOW!!!!!!!!

  • Raven1988

    December 19, 2011 at 8:39 pm

    This bill will affect the whole world. It shouldn’t be just US citizens who are allowed to vote.

    • Dakari777

      December 20, 2011 at 1:20 am

      I’m reposting this higher, it’s a perfect point. @Raven1988

  • December 19, 2011 at 8:39 pm

    This can’t be. I mean, the vote should be Dec. 21, 2012 because that’s the end of the world right? Oh wait. This just the end of the world wide web.

  • gamez

    December 19, 2011 at 8:39 pm

    What about the board game industry?

  • December 19, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    So instead of AVGN, the internet will see the Angry Video Game Nerd. No difference except that the Nerd will be angry about Congress rather than video games. He’ll have to sit down and yell at copyright free photos of members of congress and take a dump on their faces.

  • December 19, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    The good news? Video game magazines will exist again. The bad news? IGN is TOAST. Wait. Is that bad news?

  • December 19, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    People wll overcome this law by filming themselves in front of televisions playing games or movies.

  • gamez

    December 19, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    Apparantly the vote was supposed to be on Dec 21, but the decision has been to delay the vote for an undetermined date. The bill is not going to pass, there are too many influential companies against the passing of SOPA. Google, Yahoo and many others. Jimmy Wales of wikipedia is also against it.

  • ChrisGallo

    December 19, 2011 at 9:27 pm

    if this law passes im gonna miss avgn so much. ive been watching him since this show started, if this law passes are you still going to make the avgn movie. if not i will be crushed 🙁

    • Dakari777

      December 20, 2011 at 12:48 am

      Worst case scenario of Cinemassacre does get shut down, hopefully James can find some way to get his movie National, like theaters etc, I bet it’s gonna be [email protected]

  • raymond54321

    December 19, 2011 at 10:04 pm

    if SOPA passes, no fucking joke, I will devote the rest of my entire life to assasinating the fucking ASSHOLE who put this into motion, and then systematically offing every single “elected official” that doesn’t have any idea what they are dealing with until i’m either arrested or shot dead. i’ve said it before and ill say it again, politics is a joke. its like reality tv. i don’t even care anymore about all that… but once they start to censor my internet, i will FUCK them as hard as they have FUCKED me. Anyone who supports this bullshit can go eat shit and die. Any politician who backs this doesn’t serve the people, he serves the dollar signs that the high paying corporations can provide. But what about the rest of us? lets face it, people. “Democracy” is a sham. “Politics” is a joke. If this bill passes, is signals the end of an era. It signifies the fact that nothing we believe in matters. All that matters is that the multi-million dollar corporations (who are considered people now, remember?) are happy. Problem is, these assholes have their thumbs shoved so far up their asses they don’t know what is even going on. They are like fossilized dinosaur bones in a museum. They are stuck in the past and they don’t understand the future. FUCK these assholes, and if this bill passes, FUCK AMERICA. I won’t serve my country, I won’t support my country, I don’t believe in my country. Time to move to canada or something.. I don’t even know what my alternatives are. All I know is that if this bill passes, I will no longer consider myself an “American” Because THIS is the exact thing that America was founded against. I’m sorry Washington, may ye rest in peace.

    • BradleyMalton

      December 19, 2011 at 10:26 pm


      Canada Welcomes you! Bacon and Snowmobiles AWAIT!

      • raymond54321

        December 19, 2011 at 10:52 pm

        @BradleyMalton le sigh, looks like i don’t have many other options. If this bill passes, I no longer consider myself an American. I need a new country, and i’m not gonna lie, Bacon and Snowmobiles sound quite appealing..

      • RikuHimawari

        December 20, 2011 at 12:44 am

        @[email protected] You sound so angsty and so rebelious. You MUST be a cool person.Dude. Don’t “devote” your life trying to be some sort of resident vigilante. I garantee you will die a miserable, useless death in a ditch somewhere. With all due respect, even saying that makes you look immature – the wrong kind of immature. As in, the adult who hasn’t realized how the world works yet.Do like us, Europeans. Don’t fight the system – EXPLOIT it. Be smart for a fucking change.

  • BradleyMalton

    December 19, 2011 at 10:33 pm

    Ok, if this bill passes, it’s time for a revolution. Dear Hackers, we must unite and take over the US military nuclear missile systems, hold them hostage, and demand to censor censorship! or we pool massive amounts of money and make a new open source Internet network! Also, on a side note, did you know it is illegal to say “I Want to Kill The President of the United States.”? of course, im not actually saying it, im just letting you know that it is extreamly illegal. (we meet under the brooklin bridge, the password is “Sic semper tyrannis”

    • RikuHimawari

      December 20, 2011 at 12:41 am

      @BradleyMalton That’s all very pretty, sugar and rainbows. It’s all very activist-y, and very freedom-of-speech for-the-win mentality and all that good crap.It’s also just a bunch of words that have been repeated ever since the concept of “Government” has existed, and it’s also something that never truly works.

  • Connors116

    December 19, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    It’s not passing.

    Obama himself said he’s not signing the bill, or ever will sign anything. He votes for Net Neutrality.

    • Dakari777

      December 20, 2011 at 1:18 am

      I don’t know if you follow this thing close or not, but so far the house and senate are pushing more for than against, and the president can only veto so long before he gets overruled, he isn’t the government, he’s just the face @Connors116

  • John2

    December 19, 2011 at 10:51 pm

    Why am I even surprised that our government keeps trying to pass things like this?

    • raymond54321

      December 19, 2011 at 11:01 pm

      @John2″ that OUR government” That’s precisely the problem. Who’s government is this exactly? It’s not mine, not yours, not anyone I know. American’s are about as “free” as a dog on a chain. We can run for about a 10 foot circumference in any direction we choose before the government yanks back on the chain to remind us who’s the bitch and who’s the boss.

      • Dakari777

        December 20, 2011 at 12:46 am

        I don’t think I’ve ever heard a more true statement, where has OUR government gone, and why did we get these hollow idiots in its place @raymond54321 @John2

  • adal2007

    December 19, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    This is a global strategy, this is a video that shows what is protect IP and SOPA with a lot of animations

    should be posted here for us to see!!

  • kaneda_bjf

    December 19, 2011 at 11:17 pm

    At the risk of being flamed out of existence – I don’t know what all the fuss is about. So long as you’re not distributing copyrighted material without the consent of it’s publisher (which is illegal anyway), you don’t have too much to be concerned about. You can still use sections of copyrighted material under fair use laws, and that can be argued in your defense. There seems to be this consensus that the government ‘may’ use it do this, or ‘may’ use it to do that. It’s all conjecture. Contrary to popular belief, the US government isn’t in bed with M.A.D or KAOS – their goal isn’t to rid the world of fun. But among their actual obligations is upholding the law. Now I’ve downloaded stuff before and have enjoyed the fruits of internet piracy (as I’m sure most of us have), but now the party’s over. Media companies the world over have been on the backs of their countries’ governments, and now those governments are taking steps to satisfy them. Keep in mind that distribution of copyrighted material is against the law – that’s just a fact. Scenario: You’re a musician who independently releases an album – hoping that the revenue from that album will allow you to make another. All of a sudden you find out that 50% of the people who own your album (in whatever format) have obtained it illegally, essentially robbing you of 50% of your revenue.

    This is why anti-piracy laws are in place. I’ve read a lot of comments on this very site directing people to buy James’ DVD sets so that he can continue to make them. Now comparing James to big companies like Sony and Universal is comparing apples and oranges (for now, anyway), but everyone started from humble beginnings at some point. The logic applies whether it’s a humble internet show host or a multi-billion dollar conglomerate. The right for a company or an individual to curb (or even stamp out) the piracy of their own product, be it artistic or whatever, is just that – the right.

    Now, of course, the piracy will continue and people will just find new methods for slipping it under the radar, but whining and stamping your feet just strikes me as pointless. The bill hasn’t even passed, so nobody yet has exploited it or over stepped the mark. Whether or not that happens, I suppose we may soon find out, but for now it’s a bill designed to protect the artist and/or company that are behind the creative process.

    I can understand everyone’s point of view on this, but I just think it’s too early to start screaming blue murder. And getting all riled up because you can no longer download a game or app, instead of paying for it, isn’t going to change anything.

    • mcb01

      December 19, 2011 at 11:23 pm

      @kaneda_bjf But you have to admit these bills are still bad because they could allow the blacklisting of a website without warning or due process. That’s what the people who run these sites should be afraid of. I do agree about the fair use part – I haven’t seen anything to indicate that would change. If James or Mike were in violation of copyright, they would have already been notified. But Cinemassacre has been around for years, and no one has said anything. There is no reason to shut down the site or stop making videos. Unless told otherwise, it should be business as usual.

      Still, the bills are bad because of what I said earlier – taking down sites on pure assumption that they may contain something infringing. It is simply too much power and it is unacceptable for the government to do this.

    • OdieMikes

      December 19, 2011 at 11:33 pm

      Conjecture aside, you have to admit that almost anyone can abuse this, and those that can probably will. Look at how bug businesses avoid taxation, or worked to have corporations legally declared “people” under the U.S. Constitution. It wasn’t someone was forcing companies to produce goods regardless of cost/revenue ratios, it was a way to dodge the law. This is a way to BECOME the law, provided they abuse it. I’m not saying everyone will, but I know at the very least someone will try. @kaneda_bjf

      • Staarscommando

        December 20, 2011 at 3:47 am

        @OdieMikes Im not sure what you mean when you say that people worked to get corporations declared legal entities. This is an important right that allows it to sue, be sued and have perpetual existence. It increases accountability and the ability to pay its debts, all the while giving its owners limited liability. Im not sure how that fits into you argument.

      • penguinsoldier

        December 20, 2011 at 3:58 am

        @[email protected] I’m pretty sure he’s talking about the 2010 Citizen’s United case, a landmark Supreme Court ruling that allows corporations to spend money on election campaign political broadcasts. This right was previously only held by ‘human individuals’, but Citizen’s United changed that via a partisan panel of judges making a 5-4 decision that corporations could also possess the same ‘free speech’ right as ordinary citizens (which many have interpreted as the government legally declaring corporations as ‘people’).

      • Staarscommando

        December 21, 2011 at 3:55 am

        @[email protected] Corporations are legal entities just like people, so they should be able to do everything a law abiding citizen can do. Im not sure what the problem is here.

        Also, it is good that you know supreme court cases and what not, but I sincerely hope you are learning more than just political bullcrap. It is the absolute absence of sense and knowledge in this world, with parties basically having endless arguments and making society regressive instead of progressive.

      • penguinsoldier

        December 21, 2011 at 3:47 pm

        @[email protected] Being a legal entity like a person and sharing the same rights as a person are two distinct things.

        You can’t, for example, send a corporation to prison. You can’t “arrest” a corporation. A corporation can’t “vote” for president, or run for office. A corporation may be a legal entity like a person, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s entitled to the same rights as a person ~ they’re two different things and should be treated differently.

        Granting corporations free speech may, on the surface, appear to be fair, but there are negative consequences to consider ~ specifically, that organized commercial entities now have unprecedented influence on government elections. Unfortunately, our electorate can be pretty stupid ~ they’ll oftentimes vote by recognition instead of by platform, and studies show a correlation between campaign financing and election results. As a result, many people believe that wealthy corporations having election promotion rights undermines the fairness of our voting system.

      • Staarscommando

        December 21, 2011 at 4:05 pm

        @penguinsoldier Ok youre right a corporation cannot be arrested. However the corporate veil can be pierced if someone is using it as a front for their own wrongdoing and the corporation can be shut down. This is exactly like giving a corporation the death penalty.

        Corporations cant vote because they arent real people, but being able to engage in business and monetary transactions like donating money is something they can, and should be allowed to do.

        I think you have too much optimism for our government and electoral process. Big business has been making influential contributions since the beginning. Just look at the most recent accusation, Newt Gingrich being pointed out for taking hundreds of thousands of dollars from Fannie Mae for his political influence. Now you complain because the corporation can make a donation and not the wealthy person running it? I dont see any difference.

    • penguinsoldier

      December 19, 2011 at 11:38 pm

      @kaneda_bjf You’re absolutely right, Kaneda. TBH, James seems to have jumped the gun on the issue without doing his research. If Cinemassacre was violating Fair Use laws, he would’ve been in trouble a long time ago. These bills are targeted specifically at foreign websites devoted to copyright infringement. Even though James’ videos sometimes skirt the parody/media review balancing tests of Fair Use, they’re for the most part legal.

      That said, it IS true that a website can be blacklisted by a court without having an Adversarial Hearing (i.e., without allowing the website to fight in court before having their content removed). But remember, this is specific to FOREIGN websites ~ the law is an attempt to favor US copyright-holders against infringing websites based in countries such as China, Sweden or Russia, who don’t respect US copyright and don’t mind profiting off of US works. And even then, the bills specifically note that a blacklisting can’t happen without a court hearing wherein a judge must be presented with sufficient proof that the site in question is guilty of specifically existing for the purpose of illegally hosting copyrighted content.

      This bill is supposed to PROTECT content creators like Cinemassacre. Imagine if someone from North Korea decided to post all of James’ DVDs on his/her site, downloadable and in HD quality. They could make a killing off of advertising, and James wouldn’t see a single cent of it.

      • Garrett

        December 19, 2011 at 11:52 pm

        It’s fair use right now. The issue is that could change. Giving that power to greedy corporations that could abuse the power given them easily just doesn’t bode well. I wouldn’t trust them as far as I could throw them personally. I can see good with the goals and recognize it is a problem, but they probably could find a better way if they put their minds to it.

      • Dakari777

        December 20, 2011 at 1:03 am

        You’re missing the big picture here, James himself said not to worry about him or Cinemassacre, worry about the internet! The point is that the internet would no longer be a free place to roam, it would be secured down to where you and the sites you visit will be monitored with the most careful of programs and the sharpest of eyes, there’s a comment on an earlier post of mine where Josh quoted Star Wars, simple stuff like that, Lucas Arts would be notified, and if they felt the need they could shut down this thread or even this site if they wanted (ignoring the fact that the government would probably erase this thread anyway). It isn’t as simple as you people seem to think it is, they are not just strengthening old laws, if that’s all it was there wouldn’t be such a fuss over it, and Penguin you even made a negative reference to North Korea, which is one of the most censored states in the world, and that is precisely what we are dealing with here, censorship where there shouldn’t be censorship @penguinsoldier @kaneda_bjf

      • JMan2003

        December 20, 2011 at 4:24 am

        You say that these bills are targeted specifically at foreign websites devoted to copyright infringement. You do realize that there are alot of websites that people go to that are under foreign servers especially in the UK or in Canada that still have English text in them. Those sites would get blacklisted by the Government possibly without notice, due process, or a court of law.

        Japan is also closely associated with the Video Game Industry especially Anime/Manga and with their servers and such cutting them off because it’s from a foreign server is going to cause a major disconnect with people in the U.S. and possibly around the world even. This is part of the reason why these bills hurt innovation and creativity.

    • RikuHimawari

      December 20, 2011 at 12:35 am

      90% or more of the people inhabiting “The Internet” are admitted sociopaths. They cause arguments, they post nonsense, they insult eachother, they create “memes”, they… well. They have fun at other people’s expense and act directly with the intent to cause virtual harm. It isn’t big news, really. It’s just what it is, and if you (whoever you are) disagree with me, you are clearly very new at this.So why, I wonder, do these people worry SO MUCH about harm that can be done to other people beyond themselves? Why is it that, suddenly, these apes are finally willing to act for a cause and stand together? Is it crowd mentality? Is it just because they have a rebelious nature and feel like they have to stand against anything at all just to sound cool?No. It’s PIRACY. That’s right. I’m calling each and every one of you out, right now. The only reason YOU are worried for this is PIRACY. You enjoy – and to some extent, I have enjoyed it too – to get someone else’s hard-worked products for free.The Internet Humanity has grown to the point of madness. People have actually become so desensitized to recognize hard work and value, that they have come to a point when they are fully aware that they are obtaining something that: 1) should cost you something; 2) is illegal to get for free; and still complain that it’s not as good as they wanted it to be.This is complete madness, and I feel that these bills should just come clean and shoot into active right now.I, personally, have no issue living in a piracy-free Internet environment. I may have one, two, maybe several copyright enfringements on websites or social media, but I’ll gladly delete them. It’s not like a Banner or a Display picture are going to define who I am, and what my tastes are. I don’t need that sort of thing to live, and if you think you do, then it’s not “the bills” you have to worry about. It is your own life’s prespective, buddy.I say, let them come.You were alive, you were breathing, and you were doing damn well right before you downloaded that copy of that certain video-game or album. You could have waited a little while, you could have asked your parents for it, or you could have gotten a job – or for full-blown adults, screw you! You could have saved for A MONTH, and actually EXPERIENCE the satisfaction of getting something with HARD-WORKED MONEY, and at the same time, ACTUALLY SUPPORT THAT COMPANY THAT YOU AUTO-ENTITLE YOURSELF AS A FAN OF. There is ABSOLUTELY NO excuse for piracy.You want the easy way? Be f*cking honest about it. But don’t bullshit the Internet with your pseudo-activist act because -they- (the Government) is not buying it any longer. And, for once, I completely agree with it.

      • JoshuaDeanMonette

        December 20, 2011 at 1:37 am

        @RikuHimawari Hey, son of a bitch, there are reasons not to like this law, and its not about piracy. Real legit sites like this one, and people just uploading gameplay videos are threatened. Seriously if I knew where you were in real life, I would punch you out.

      • mcb01

        December 20, 2011 at 8:14 am

        @RikuHimawari I do not condone piracy, but I do not support these bills either. They allow too much power and are a slippery slope. You seem to be saying that the only people opposed to them are the pirates, but that is completely untrue. Totally false. Lots of people who are opposed to piracy are also opposed to these bills because of what could happen to *innocent* sites.

      • narofrost

        December 21, 2011 at 6:12 am

        @[email protected] im sort of indifferent. i would personally love to see piracy gone somehow, tho it won’t happen any time soon if ever, but yes i do understand the potential damage that could come from these bills. ive been looking into this a bit (not too much mind you i do not have that much time on my hands) and as far as i could see, if they did get passed and thousands of websites that we all love get taken down without legitimate reason i still think we could move along, adapt over time. censorship of art is something that i couldn’t stand for but all throughout american history i don’t think any attempted censorship of art has been successful so i dont worry too much on that.

      • narofrost

        December 21, 2011 at 6:15 am

        @[email protected]

        again i may be kinda biased on this and i’d love to hear your rebuttal, but lets not get extra riled up over this. that ruins any integrity in a casual debate, especially online.

    • kaneda_bjf

      December 20, 2011 at 12:48 am

      @kaneda_bjf I agree totally that closing or blacklisting sites without a hearing, or basing that decision on flimsy or no evidence is an abuse of the new laws – but as I said, we’re yet to see that happen. Any law is open to exploitation, and many laws are open to interpretation. People seem to be in uproar over this particular set of laws because they see it as an infringement on their right to freedom of speech (or freedom of expression), which it isn’t. That’s like saying the law against graffiti is a violation of freedom of expression. It’s their to protect the rights of other people, not to infringe on the graffiti artist.

      Whether or not the bill is passed, and the new laws come into effect is yet to be seen. But, if it does, I think that it will just be a minor inconvenience to most internet users. I’d like to think the powers that be (HAHA…haha…hmmm) will have sense enough not to be too gung-ho in their enforcement.

      • Dakari777

        December 20, 2011 at 1:12 am

        And you missed it again, they could get rid of everything that breaks copyright laws, anything that’s pirated, put costs on what needs a cost on it, and the internet would be fine, but let’s take a simple situation (this may or may not affect you personally but it does affect a large group of people) someone is making a vlog, and they have a song in the background, they have two choices, resort to retaking the video because they forgot, or just cutting out the sound, because unless they own the rights to that song (which I’m sure they don’t since most bands don’t even own those rights) they won’t be allowed to upload it, anywhere, and as for supporting people for their hard work, you need to realize one thing @RikuHimawari that money you spend on CDs, Movies, Video Games, Software, will hardly, if not ever, reach the real people who deserve it, it goes to the companies, and you are, as intelligent as you may be, extremely ignorant @kaneda_bjf

      • kaneda_bjf

        December 20, 2011 at 1:54 am

        @[email protected] Could could could…but will they do what you said? I remember in ’99 when hundreds of idiots were talking about how computers ‘could’ crash and bring the entire world to a halt at the turn of the century – but they didn’t.

        And I know that companies like Sony see most of the return from the sale of their products – that’s just how business works. But remember that Sony hires artists to create…whatever, and that artist may, or may not enjoy royalties from said product. Suggesting piracy is acceptable based on that premise (which isn’t what you said, I know, but it’s implied) is just ridiculous.

        Don’t get me wrong. I don’t support these proposed bills. But I just don’t see where the bill, in its simplest form, is wrong. Naturally there will most likely be those who attempt to distort it for their own gain, but the moral high ground being taken by some people in this debate is essentially the same thing.

        We’ll agree to disagree. Contentious topic, indeed 😉

      • Spellmouse

        December 20, 2011 at 5:12 am

        @[email protected]@RikuHimawari You have to realize that huge companies such as Google, Facebook and Twitter— services that we all enjoy AND some of the most successful free services in the world are /against/ this bill. They have huge legal teams to research this stuff, and can understand the consequences of what these laws would pose to the Internet. They read and analyze the fine print, and understand the consequences of it in a way that your average person would not be able to.These companies aren’t really politically motivated most of the time. They don’t stick their nose into politics or support conspiracies. If something is really wrong— if censorship is actually in danger, then they /will/ speak out on it. And they have. Laws like this will be harder to undo once they become the standard, and if they ARE as bad as, again, Google/Facebook/Twitter are saying, than I’m inclined to agree.

  • gamez

    December 19, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    Nintendo supports Sopa. Read about it

  • Dakari777

    December 20, 2011 at 12:44 am

    I think one thing alot of people are forgetting is that the government will be acting in position of major companies (movie companies, record companies, gaming companies etc.) and lets say one of them finds something on this site they don’t want on here, they tell the big GOV and this site gets taken down, that simple, there’s no nit-picking with this bill, no “okay well this one needs to go but the rest are fine” they wont waste time, they will just trash the site, and it’s not just this site, any of you ever post lyrics as a facebook or myspace status? your account will be gone if they catch it, search engines like google bing and ask? completely censored so that you cannot reach sites that the government cant regulate, and if you happen to know the site URL so you dont need a search engine you risk getting your internet blocked, I don’t know how many of you torrent, and I know James already said he isn’t for it, but the precautions taken by those who do will become a constant norm. for anyone just wishing to browse the internet, the government already has the right to view what you do on the web if the please, but they don’t without due cause, with this passed, they will be popping in whenever they please just to make sure nothing is going by, sorry if this whole thing makes no coherent sense, but I needed to rant, you people saying this bill won’t change much are dead wrong, and it annoys me to no end that you would give up your freedom of speech privacy and loving internet usage like that…thats all I have to say…peace love and happiness

    • JoshuaDeanMonette

      December 20, 2011 at 12:49 am


      I know what you mean. Why are some of these people saying its not big deal? Its crazy, hell they probably would give up their own lives if the government had some justification. As StarWars said ” So this is how democracy ends, with cheers and thunderous applause”

  • adal2007

    December 20, 2011 at 1:06 am

    Who owns the Internet? Answer: ISP

    if ISP want to negotiate with big companies and the goverments (for any commercial interest)

    there’s nothing internet users can do, at least you are a big company, this isn’t about freedom or rights, is about who has power and control.

    • Dakari777

      December 20, 2011 at 1:13 am

      Wont matter, the government has the right to overrule it all, and that’s what the bill is doing, it will make the government (and second handedly the big companies) the main power behind the internet @adal2007

  • bongbadabongbadabong

    December 20, 2011 at 1:08 am

    Man, f*ck the government, hail the Nerd!!

  • Dakari777

    December 20, 2011 at 1:22 am

    Previously posted by Raven1988 “This bill will affect the whole world. It shouldn’t be just US citizens who are allowed to vote.” Very true indeed the bill plans to cut off communication with foreign websites, Canada included, because the government will not be able to control it.

  • penguinsoldier

    December 20, 2011 at 1:26 am

    Unfortunately, the meat of the issue is getting muddled in “anti-censorship” astro-turfing the same way Health Care Reform was lost on “Death Panels”.

    The first thing people should know is that 1st Amendment rights AREN’T always protected. Defamation (slander/libel), false advertising, inciting public panic and copyright infringement are all examples of speech that AREN’T protected by our 1st amendment. When someone’s free speech violates your rights, it’s the government’s JOB to step in and say “stop that.”

    Second, here’s a legal analysis of SOPA on ReadWriteWeb: It’s an informative read. ReadWriteWeb was initially opposed to SOPA, but their tone softened after getting an independent legal analysis of the bill.

    Third, well, keep all the hub-bub in perspective. People ‘think’ they understand the net, just because they use it a lot — but they don’t. Do you know what TCP/IP packet-sniffing is? Probably not. People also say they understand copyright laws and even SOPA/PIPA, I guess because they read Yahoo News and watch videos on YouTube — but believe me, they don’t. Do you know what Fair Use balance tests are? Not likely. Unless you understand all this stuff, it doesn’t make sense to have a strong opinion based off of what all your Internet bros are saying. They probably don’t know what the hell they’re talking about, and it winds up being a large crowd of the blind leading the blind. It’s stupid. Call me old-fashioned, but people should do proper research first and THEN form an opinion.

    People should look at the flip side of the coin. The way the law is right now, ALL of James’ videos could be hosted without his permission in downloadable HD files on a website based in China, and there’s NOTHING James could do about it. They’d profit off his work via advertising on their site, and James would never see a dime of it. Think it doesn’t happen? Look up MangaFox and just see how much Japanese artists are getting their copyright raped by pirates on the Internet. The owner of OneManga, another illegal site, tried to sell his site for over a few million dollars before he got shut down. These guys are making financial killings off the work of other people. The spirit of these new laws is to change that. The devil’s in the details though.

    • JoshuaDeanMonette

      December 20, 2011 at 1:34 am

      @penguinsoldier You sound like one of the people who will sign away all of his rights, with no fight whatsoever. Seriously you seem to think were all stupid, but we in fact do our research, and guess what? Most of us don’t agree with this bill.

      • penguinsoldier

        December 20, 2011 at 1:51 am

        @JoshuaDeanMonette Well, I can see how you’d misunderstand, seeing as I had to remove whole paragraphs just to get under the character limit.

        Yes, I DO think most people are just blindly following the crowd on this. We have a generation of young people who’ve enjoyed the fruits of piracy and want to continue enjoying the lawlessness of the net, even if it means letting other people’s rights get trampled. That’s the way it is right now. There are way too many sites hosting torrents and illegal file downloads to not be upfront and honest about it. You probably don’t care because it doesn’t affect you ~ to the contrary, you’ve probably enjoyed the fruits of piracy yourself. It’s the culture a lot of people have grown up with, which is why people are scared ~ the Internet is a technological Wild West, and the government finally wants to start enforcing the law.

        THAT SAID, there ARE aspects to this bill I’m on the fence about. It has to do with the pre-adversarial nature of the bills. Most people don’t even know what I’m talking about when I bring it up, and that’s why I take issue with all the mindless astro-turfing. What’s your position on it? You know what I’m talking about, right?

      • JeramieKruger

        December 20, 2011 at 2:14 am

        @penguinsoldier I don’t think you really understand how big this is and the impact it can have now and in the future. You sound so… ignorant.

      • JoshuaDeanMonette

        December 20, 2011 at 2:31 am

        @penguinsoldier I understand where your coming from, and believe me, everything I do in my life, I buy myself. I’m a hardcore gamer that grew up with very little money, and didn’t even have my own computer to a few years back, so I never got into the whole business of getting stuff without paying. I got a job, and built up a collection of hundereds of games and movies for myself, that I earned. I don’t even even steal music like others do, I just use Itunes. I just don’t support this bill because several things I enjoy that ARE legal can be taken away and it gives the government way to much power.

      • penguinsoldier

        December 20, 2011 at 2:54 am

        @JeramieKruger *shrugs* If calling me ignorant makes you feel better, go ahead and let it all out. I’ve researched enough about copyright law over the years to speak confidently on the issues — and hell, I’ve been using the Internet since the early 90’s back when it was text-based and done over the phone lines. We’ve had over a decade of rampant copyright infringement and the public didn’t cry foul or bat an eye, but NOW that the government says “hey, let’s do something about it” people suddenly get up in arms because of the ‘potential’ that their rights could be infringed? Yeah, let’s ignore when people’s copyrights are ACTIVELY being trampled, and worry instead about the government ‘potentially’ abusing their power to fix it in the future, THAT’S fair. I know, I’m naturally sarcastic, my apologies, but as a writer who’s seen all the unfair crap that goes on on the Internet, I’m GLAD the government’s finally trying to do something about it.

        That said, me being ‘ignorant’ and all ~ why don’t you tell me about how these bills affect Fair Use? Or Safe Harbor and the DMCA? What’s your take on the pre-adversarial nature of these bills? Is it fair for foreign sites to enjoy 1st amendments rights at the legal expense of US copyright holders? How SHOULD the law deal with websites illegally hosting copyrighted content in countries that don’t respect US copyright law? Honestly, most people don’t have answers to these questions, because as we all know, opinions are like assholes — everyone’s got one and they usually stink. Most people don’t know what the hell they’re talking about because it’s too hard to.

      • gamez

        December 20, 2011 at 2:57 am

        That’s right penguin and you’re just another asshole with an opinion @penguinsoldier @JeramieKruger

      • penguinsoldier

        December 20, 2011 at 2:58 am

        @[email protected] Hey man, no arguing there, you’re right.

      • penguinsoldier

        December 20, 2011 at 3:10 am

        @JoshuaDeanMonette I respect that you respect copyright. Much kudos to you, because there are just so many damn pirates on the net these days.

        That said, who’s saying legal things you enjoy can be taken away by these bills? It’s true that these bills are ambiguous in some respects, but laws are often vague with the expectation that subsequent court precedent will better clarify the law’s intent via case-to-case situations. When it comes to copyright, Fair Use laws in particular rely heavily on court precedent, since the laws themselves are vague. Even the Constitution was vague in it’s enumerated powers, written with the expectation that future generations would better clarify and amend it over time. SOPA does give the government the potential to abuse its rights, but it’s not specifically enumerated that the government is SUPPOSED to do that. Future court cases will better clarify the intent of the bill over time, as has been the case with other laws over the centuries. That’s my understanding anyway, taken FWIW.

        The most controversial aspect of SOPA really is the pre-adversarial removal of allegedly infringing content, and even I’m on the fence on that one. I can’t fully say I support these bills without deciding on those particular aspects, but I CAN say I support their intent.

      • Staarscommando

        December 20, 2011 at 3:41 am

        @penguinsoldier I think that you are right that many people do not know what this bill means, but Im sure someone up the chain is the person who started this shit storm, probably for good reason. Overall it is not a good idea to have the Federal Government regulate anything, it just oversteps the intent of its purpose, costs taxpayer money and complicates things.

        I also think that you are very optimistic that the US govt is going shutdown foreign sites. In fact, I would surprised if they did, especially with large powerful countries being the ones most guilty of copyright infringement. The Chinese have already been taking businesses to the cleaners for years over the net, you think that we are going to do anything that will basically open the door for retaliation? I dont think so.

        There are more things to this than just copyright issues, and simply writing up a law that is poorly worded, giving the govt powers that it will most likely only use on its own people and carelessly, is ignorant.

      • penguinsoldier

        December 20, 2011 at 3:41 pm

        @Staarscommando Well, maybe you just have a very Libertarian point of view of government. Most centrists would say that we need government to lubricate social relations, to lay down commonly understood rules and to be the policeman to make sure those rules are followed ~ it encourages the cooperation required to advance civilization. In order to benefit from government we have to endow it with certain powers ~ in a democracy, those powers are kept in check by our electoral system.

        Again, even the constitution was written in brevity, with the expectation that future generations would craft legislation to better clarify those laws based on the era they lived in. Citizens grant the government a great many powers and give up individual freedoms in order to benefit. It’s a balancing act between the freedom of the individual and the benefits provided by government.

        As an example: are traffic laws totalitarian? One could say you’ve given up your freedom to run red lights in exchange for the safety provided by an agreed common order for road use. Could the government abuse their power, and falsely accuse you of running a red light, even though you didn’t? Sure they could, but it’s not likely, nor is it a specifically enumerated directive. It’s not in their interest to abuse that power anyways, since our government empowers its citizens to not only sue them, but also vote for new representatives that properly and fairly uphold the law. This same example can apply to this new legislation.

      • Staarscommando

        December 21, 2011 at 3:49 am

        @penguinsoldier Thats not a libertarian view of government its just cold hard facts. Government offices and departments are run by people, with their own personal agendas to succeed at life. They will stop at nothing to overextend their power just to look good on their reviews.

        I also hope you were joking about that traffic argument, its a very fallacious argument attempting to discredit someone and a poor one at that. No one said anything about transit laws as infringing on rights; they are there for safety. Just like no one is saying that copyright law shouldnt exist, they just needs to be carefully worded.

        Based on the information that you have displayed, you want the government to take down foreign sites, when that is just not a feasible situation. The US cannot exert its dominance over a worldwide resource and tool, otherwise other countries that see themselves as would-be hegemonic usurpers would counteract.

        I guess I dont understand your confidence in the federal government, you talk about it like its a superhuman being incapable of human error. The truth is that the government is run by people, just like you and me, and prone to the same stresses. When unqualified people have positions of power, they abuse them, just look at sheriff Arpaio in Arizona.

      • penguinsoldier

        December 21, 2011 at 3:31 pm

        @Staarscommando The traffic argument wasn’t an illustration of transit laws infringing on rights ~ it was an example of a vested government power that has the potential for abuse that usually doesn’t happen. In the United States, the founding fathers were conscientious to place numerous systems of balance to counteract corruption and abuse. Does that mean abuse never happens? Certainly not. But there are, at least, rules in place that discourage abuse and promote their correction.

        I don’t have full confidence in government, but I also don’t take for granted the benefits that government provides. Without government (i.e., an anarchy), people could be enslaved, raped, tortured, and murdered by any powerful person or group, and unless individuals had the capacity to protect themselves, there’s nothing they could do. Without government there is no such thing as “rights” — or rather, rights can only exist when someone is there to protect them, and that burden usually rests on the shoulders of government.

        As for whether or not the U.S. government should have the right to “take down” foreign sites, that’s not exactly how these bills work. This new legislation focuses on restricting access to copyright-infringing foreign websites outside of U.S. jurisdiciton ~ they don’t have the power to actually shut down the foreign site, only to remove DNS entries in servers within the U.S. and to block payment provider channels to said websites. Whether such companies should bear the burden of preventing access is debatable, but it’s not entirely unlike the take-down and notice provisions exercised regularly on YouTube ~ it’s just a lot more technically difficult to accomplish.

        As I’ve mentioned in several other posts, I’m on the fence regarding the pre-adversarial nature of SOPA. PIPA at least explicitly notifies the site-owners before initiating measures to block access to foreign infringing sites.

      • Staarscommando

        December 21, 2011 at 3:59 pm

        @penguinsoldier Ok thanks for the generic government history lesson, it still doesnt address the fact that giving one group, even a government, too much power is a mistake.

        You gotta remember, transit laws are upheld by regular police officers. This is quite a different animal than what would be used monitor the internet. It would possibly be a new agency, and when agencies have too much authority, the possibility of hooveresque antics arises.

        I have also not seen any literature as to how the new “agency” Im assuming would find these sites, and what procedures they will use once a site has been found that could potentially violate the law.

        Will they do it on a report basis, like currently on Youtube? Are they going to look for sites themselves? If they do the reporting version, are they even going to check if the sites infringe or are they going to just shut them down? Are we really going to waste money on another government agency we dont need and cant afford as we are trying to cut trillions from the deficit? I sincerely hope not.

    • Big McLargehuge

      December 20, 2011 at 7:36 pm

      I find your statements very interesting and informative, and I’ll admit I’m one of the blind following the blind, but what about the point this webpage is trying to get across? I don’t think you directly commented about that. Could these bills, if passed, allow copyright holders to have certain websites (like Cinemassacre or thatguywiththeglasses) shut down with no regards to the Millenium Act or fair use? That’s the issue this is all about. I’m sure James doesn’t condone Piracy and neither do I, but should his webpage be shut down as a result?


      • penguinsoldier

        December 21, 2011 at 12:10 am

        @Big McLargehuge From everything I’ve read so far, no, these bills wouldn’t affect Cinemassacre. Both bills are focused on circumventing access to foreign-based websites dedicated to copyright infringement ~ since Cinemassacre is in the United States, it shouldn’t be affected. The bills only add to existing copyright law in-so-far as they expand judicial action on websites beyond U.S. jurisdiction, and from what I’ve seen, neither bill affects current Fair Use and DMCA/safe-harbor laws. Don’t, however, take that for a professional legal analysis — I’d certainly be interested in any legal assessments that state otherwise.

      • Devil_Rising

        December 21, 2011 at 12:33 am

        @[email protected] McLargehuge That is entirely assuming that they ONLY use “what the bills are made for”. However, people in power rarely DON’T abuse their power, and this bill is so vague in it’s wording, you can’t even count the number of possible situations that could arise where they think they now have “legal precedent to act”.

      • penguinsoldier

        December 21, 2011 at 1:10 am

        @[email protected] McLargehuge Well if you can tell me how these bills can be interpreted to make it legally possible for the government to abuse their power against Cinemassacre, I’d like to know. These bills pretty clearly state that they’re aimed at foreign web sites, so any government abuse towards U.S.-based sites would have to come from already existing legislation (meaning that the potential for abuse towards U.S. sites already exists, whether these bills pass or not).

        In any case, if you’re Libertarian or even an Anarchist with strong misgivings about government, that’s your point of view and I won’t argue it (political philosophy is a whole different monster in and of itself).

      • Devil_Rising

        December 21, 2011 at 7:50 am

        @penguinsoldier If you’re talking to me, I see that I’m not the first person, in fact I seem to be the second or third at least, that you have mislabeled “Libertarian”. You seem to misunderstand what that political label even implies. No, I’m NOT a Libertarian, nor am I an “Anarchist”, as if anyone in America actually IS an Anarchist. I’m not even sure where you get that nonsense from, but that’s besides the point. ON point, let me just say this. I do not think that James Rolfe or Mike Matei are idiots. You seem to be implying that they might be, or that at the VERY least, they simply are grossly misunderstanding/severely overreacting to these bills and this whole issue. I don’t know either of them personally, but I know enough of them, and furthermore, respect them both enough, to realize that they are probably the kind of people to know at least a BIT of what they’re talking about, and have at least SOME cause for legitimate concern, to be bringing something like this up. BOTH James and Mike went to art school as I understand it. Both are highly educated and intelligent individuals. Both work in the entertainment industry, if you’re not aware. And no, I don’t just mean doing videos for this website. Both are “in the know”, as in they work and move in circles that would allow them to be privy to information and professional opinions that would allow them to come up with informed opinions on things like this. Furthermore, I’m not sure you’re aware of this fact, but MAJOR companies and online entities such as Google, Yahoo, Wikipedia, Facebook, etc., are strongly against these bills for the SAME reasons that James and Mike are. If a site like Google, who owns Youtube now, has major cause for concern, you can bet your ass a much smaller entity like Cinemassacre has cause to worry. Meaning, if these bills could ultimately give certain greedy/paranoid companies within the entertainment industry, who falsely assume these bills will protect their “intellectual properties” and make them more money, and the government stooges that would be put in place to enforce these new “laws”, the power to fuck with a mega-site like Youtube, and a mega-corporation (by now) like Google, then there is nothing stopping them from basically shutting down a small operation like Cinemassacre. Nothing at all.


    December 20, 2011 at 2:21 am

    I got some stupid e-mail from my stupid-ass union in support of SOPA! WTF?! They make it sound like all the little guys, the ones who ARE NOT pirating, are going to be okay, which it total BS! This is WAY too much government control, people!

    Oh, they also claimed that SOPA would save the entertainment industry from job loss, which is another load of crap!

  • cwinslow45

    December 20, 2011 at 2:49 am

    Since when is the entertainment industry part of the government, no wait, the entertainment industry seems to own our government (by how it all sounds anyway).

    So are we becoming communist now, should I start hailing an all mighty leader?

    Watch the riots, even the laziest of nerds will be marching the streets if this bill passes.

  • gamez

    December 20, 2011 at 2:52 am

    I heard Anonymous is planning something in case the bill is passed.

  • supercainn

    December 20, 2011 at 4:25 am

    Fuck SOPA and fuck anyone who tries to steal the internet from us! internet is everybody’s! If i have bought a video, its MINE because i paid for it, so if i want to share it with somebody else its my GOD GIVEN RIGHT to do it and thats not piracy. Piracy is if i go make a copy of your work and then sell it and make money out of it but p2p sites and all that sharing online is nothing like that so leave us alone!!

    As a kid i had money to hardly get a console such as Nintendo, but a console is completely useless without the games and all the cartridges were so fucking expensive, so the only chance for me to play them was to go to a Blockbuster-like store and rent them for 3 days so i could at least try them. Sad, huh? but now thans to internet and GENEROUS people who share their stuff i have EVERY SINGLE GAME i ever wanted! Nintendo, SNES, N64 just name it! you couldnt imagine how happy i feel, and how much happier i would have been if i had internet as a kid.

    So fuck it, big corporations such as EMI, WMG and all those bastards who keep demanding youtube and other online sites to take down videos that use them something they think they have completely right over i just ruin the whole thing. I say eat my shit and make profit out of it hahahaha!

    • AlexandreBoizard

      December 20, 2011 at 4:59 am

      @supercainn No, you are wrong when you say that you can share it. Even if you bought the product, you can’t distribute it, hire it out, sell it, broadcast it, or offer it to the general public in any way.

    • CambioNomeSenzaMotivo

      December 20, 2011 at 5:15 am

      @supercainn Is to stop assholes like you that they make new laws. If you guys would stop ILLEGALLY downloading copyrighted contents we would all live better.

      • Kriosis

        December 20, 2011 at 5:35 am

        @[email protected]

        This has almost nothing to do with stopping piracy, this bill will barely put a dent in piracy. It’s about control and censorship. Stop dreaming of a fantasy land where corporations tell the truth and pirates are non-existent. Believing SOPA and PIPA are written to stop piracy (or are going to stop piracy) is as idiotic as believing NDAA was written to stop terrorists.

        Get educated you silly little man.

      • CambioNomeSenzaMotivo

        December 20, 2011 at 5:38 am

        @[email protected] I wasn’t talking about SOPA and PIPA or whatever, I was just talking about supercainn.

      • CambioNomeSenzaMotivo

        December 20, 2011 at 5:47 am

        @[email protected] What I meant is that piracy is wrong and it’s the people, who should stop downloading stuff, then there would be no need of new laws! I don’t know if these bills are meant to stop piracy or are just another conspiracy, there’s no way to know, but you pirates gave them an opportunity to do them! You guys are infranging the law, and then you pretend them to be quiet? It’s all your fault!

      • Kriosis

        December 20, 2011 at 6:08 am

        @[email protected] Are you now labeling me a pirate? I never claimed to be one. These bills aren’t intended to stop piracy, if they were they would be worded as such. Instead these Bills are written to be so vague that they could possibly effect far more then we suspect. What you need to understand that if bills like this pass, in their current state, far worse ones are probably already waiting down the pipeline.

        You will never stop piracy, you can only slow it down. And laws and limitations that effect people not even remotely involved are not the way. If blame should be on anybody, it should be the lawmakers for even thinking about letting this bill pass. Punishing the many because of the actions of the few? No thanks. I’m not buying that shit anyways. They sure do love their scapegoats.

      • CambioNomeSenzaMotivo

        December 20, 2011 at 6:16 am

        @[email protected] Nah, nah, I was responding to you and then started talking to pirates, I don’t know if you are one. :)Anyway, I repeat, I’m totally ignorant about these bills! I’m not saying you’re not right. I don’t live in the US, so I’m less involved and haven’t researched yet. I just went mad after seeing such proud of being a pirate. Maybe piracy will never stop, and I believe so, but there’s no way I can ever justify it.

      • Kriosis

        December 20, 2011 at 6:26 am

        @[email protected] The bill effects everyone. That’s something that needs to be made clear. I’ll add this in addition to James links.

      • supercainn

        December 20, 2011 at 8:38 am

        @CambioNomeSenzaMotivo you are VERY stupid so i am not even wasting my time humiliating you because YOU humiliate yourself enough with your moronic statements. Go fuck yourself and leave us internet users alone. Like it or not i’ll keep downloading all the stuff i want and there is NOTHING you or your stupid government can do to stop me hahahaha!

        YOU IDIOT.

      • lpgingras

        December 20, 2011 at 10:18 am


        When you buy a copy, you buy a liscence to use the product for yourself . You can copy it as much as you want as long as you bought the right to use it. Basicly, when you share with the others copyright content, you allow other people to use the product without having the liscence to use it legally. I’m not saying the products are too expensive or not, I’m just saying that if you don’t want to pay for the usage of the said material, you shouldn’t buy it and do something else. There is plenty of free legal stuff over the internet to entertain you. The big companies are investing huge amount of money into creating quality products and want to make money with it. It is the way it is in a world that is capitalist.

        Insulting other people is not a good way if you want to share your ideas. Try to explain why your world could be better and how it could work… Maybe you are going to be a great politician 🙂

        But I do think those bills are going a bit too far…

        Have fun and lLong live the NERD

      • supercainn

        December 20, 2011 at 12:21 pm

        @lpgingras i know its the law and thats why im complaining because that law is bullshit. They dont have right to control you like that and decide whether you must share it or not. Sharing is one of the purest and greatest human virtues and by obliging you not to share they are pretty much forbidding you to be human.

        Also, i only insult when somebody insults me first. Cambionomewhatever insulted me first so i replied him in the same way. He is an idiot and deserves to be treated as such.

      • CambioNomeSenzaMotivo

        December 20, 2011 at 12:45 pm

        @[email protected], I insulted you, and I’m sorry, this is Cinemassacre, so it’s no place for our fights.Anyway you’re wrong. You can share everything you want as long as it is yours. But copyrighted material isn’t totally yours, because you only bought the right to use it for yourself. You didn’t bought the right to share it. You are free to resell it, if you want, losing the right to use it, but you can’t keep that right AND give it to others. This is the law. You can say you think it’s a wrong law, but this doesn’t allow you to violate it.Still, I’m not saying the new bills are right, at all.

      • lpgingras

        December 20, 2011 at 1:46 pm

        @[email protected]

        Let’s not forget that if these company weren’t making money out of it, they would not create it… If they don’t create it, you can’t use it (duh)… Either they create and you pay, either you have nothing. The right to share or not bellow to the creator of the product.

        Conceiving something is a long and expensive process. Nobody does it for free­.The issue here is our right to evaluate something. If you can’t show what’s worng ot good with something, if you can’t tell to others you like a product or not, you are keeping people in ignorance. Forcing them to BUY the product and then love or hate it. The companies that are making that product will only show the good side of it. Consumers will give their opinions about it. After that you can choose if you want or not to buy the product. Sharing for free means no money for the creators of the product.

      • lpgingras

        December 20, 2011 at 1:46 pm

        @[email protected]

        Business will go bankrupt if they can’t make money out of their products. Bankrupt = people loosing their jobs, no more invation, no more creation… you get the process. Capitalism stimulate creation and evolution (i’m not saying it’s perfect)

      • Dakari777

        December 20, 2011 at 4:30 pm

        But you’re wrong, have you missed the little thing on the back of CDs and the start of 99% of US made movies (or all those “I agree” statements, have you ever actually read one??????) DO NOT COPY THIS IT IS FOR YOUR USE ONLY, you don’t buy the rights to it, you by the rights for you to view it, and that’s the huge argument, with torrents and piracy people are able to sneak around that and basically have the rights to use whatever it is youre talking about, and the companies don’t like it, this bill isn’t about being fair, it isn’t about getting money to people who deserve it, it’s about keeping US citizens paying big companies so that the big companies can pay the government @lpgingras @supercainn

      • penguinsoldier

        December 20, 2011 at 4:49 pm

        @[email protected]@supercainn Torrents and piracy aren’t “sneaking” around existing copyright laws ~ they’re blatantly and openly breaking them. Are you suggesting that pirates are magically gaining copyright or finding loopholes in the legal framework by torrenting and pirating online? Your grammar is honestly a bit hard to understand.

        Copyright is basically the right to copy, which is reserved to the original content-creators and copyright-holders. Illegal torrents are illegal because permission wasn’t granted by the original content-creators to generate those illegal copies.

        And of course, when you buy the DVD you aren’t buying the rights to the content on it ~ you’re only buying the right to view it whenever you want. And that’s FAIR. Think about it — what do you think a company would realistically charge for you to own the actual rights to the content itself? Producing a typical Hollywood movie is expensive — you have hundreds of people from a myriad of professions spending a year or more on production and development, spending millions of investor dollars. Do you honestly think a company would sell you the copyrights to their content for $9.99 at Wal-Mart? Let’s be realistic, it costs a lot of money for these companies to produce these movies, and people are taking that for granted. Hollywood is entitled to copyright protection just like the rest of us, whether they’re already making a lot of money or not.

      • RikuHimawari

        December 20, 2011 at 11:34 pm

        @[email protected] Oh please.Don’t bullshit around saying “sharing is the purest of human actions”. Pretty words like that mask the fact that you are just too damn lazy to work for the things you want. Laziness outweighs “pure intentions” right there.Also, I would not have a problem with sharing unless it’s yours. When you download something illegally, you are essentially sharing someone else’s stuff.So you’re saying that if I break into your house, Cross Jolt your mother across the jaw and steal all of your belongings would be OKAY if I went outside and shared them with the people? Give me a break.I wouldn’t even go as far as to insult you, but you are beyond fucking stupid with your “I DON’T CARE ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT LOLOL THEY CAN’T CONTROL ME”.Guess what, fuckbrains, they already do. They have done so for way, WAY before you were born, and will continue to do so until you are dead in a ditch somewhere. Grow the fuck up.Before anything else, I am extremely sorry to both James and to everybody else on here having to read yet another comment filled with cursewords and hatred. But brats like these just get the fuck under my skin like goddamn insects.

      • supercainn

        December 21, 2011 at 4:23 am

        @CambioNomeSenzaMotivo its okay, nevermind. However im not wrong, that copyright law is wrong because it intends to control our lives. Do you know that in Spain you have to pay an extra tax for every blank CD you buy just because they assume you are going to use it for piracy so that extra tax is a compensation for the authors who are signed up with an association intended to “protect” their copyrighted material.

        They also stalk you so you cant even play a copyright protected song at a party or wedding because then a reoresentative of that association comes and demands from you to pay loyalties to them for that song. Can you believe it? thats what happens when you let those assholes control your life. This SOPA is the beginning of that control and we must stop it before it becomes something like in Spain and other countries.

      • supercainn

        December 21, 2011 at 4:33 am

        @lpgingras there will always people who buy their stuff. Lets face it, even if there was no internet, we sharing software users wont buy something we just cant afford anyway. So whats the loss for them? entertainment is something you can live without, so if you cant get it then you just leave it.

        As i said in my first comment, as a kid i didnt have money to buy the games so i didnt buy them. If companies cant take money from me anyway, then what difference does it make if i borrow the games from somebody and play them?

        its the same thing now. I downloaded a lot of movies and games but because they are FREE, if they were not then i would just give them up because i dont feel like spending my money on that kind of things and i bet many downloaders feel the same.

      • supercainn

        December 21, 2011 at 4:40 am

        RikuHimawari, shut up you stupid asshole, the fact your government controls you it doesnt mean us the rest of the people are being controlled too. I live in a free country, and i mean REAL freedom, not like in the USA where they manipulate you and brainwash you in so many ways. Here i do and think whatever the fuck i want, unlike you that are a just a mindless zombie.

        I will continue downloading whatever the fuck i want and there is NOTHING either you or any government on earth can do about it! IN YOUR FACE, BITCH! hahahaha!!

      • narofrost

        December 21, 2011 at 5:49 am


        mate chill. it’s really not that big a deal, though i do dissagree with you on several levels. you’ve gotten in a fight with quite a few guys here just give it a rest please.

      • supercainn

        December 21, 2011 at 7:43 am

        @narofrost cool off yourself, nobody is getting hotheaded here. I just enjoy bashing and humiliating people who attacks me just because they disagree with me. It always makes me laugh the way they react! hahaha!!

      • lpgingras

        December 21, 2011 at 9:51 am

        @[email protected]

        I know they were always the first insulting you… you should ignore them. Anyway, the way I see things is that when you are a full time student, you shouldn’t pay for useful tools like office, windows, photoshop, etc. (Video game and movies are a luxe, not a tool) . But once you are working, and making money out of your job, you should pay for that tool.

        And be careful. You can get fines and go to jail for sharing/downlaoding illegal stuff. I had a friend who had to pay 1 000+ bucks and got his internet connection shutted down for 3 months for that. (In canada) Next warning is over 10k and 1 year without internet. After that it’s jail for him. It’s the law… I mean if you can provide your own internet connection, go for it 🙂

    • penguinsoldier

      December 20, 2011 at 3:27 pm

      @supercainn You don’t understand why copyright exists.

      Imagine you’re an artist/musician/programmer/etc., and you’ve spent 15 years of your life learning your craft. You join a team of 100 people and spend 3 years using millions of investor dollars to create a fantastic PC game.

      Now imagine there’s NO copyright laws, and NO ONE cares about copyright.

      You sell your first PC game on the market for $49.99 — but that’s ALL you’re able to sell. You and your team, who poured years of their life and spent millions of investor dollars to make the game, scratch your heads wondering why you were only able to make $50 back on your significant investment.

      Then you go online and find out why ~ that same guy who bought your game is now providing downloadable copies for free, making a tidy living for himself off of advertisements on his website. Since there’s NO copyright law, there’s nothing you or the government can do. Your investment was FOR NOTHING.

      Once those videogame creators realize they can’t make a profit, they’re left with only two choices ~ either make their games for free, or sell their games at a significantly higher cost. But there are HUGE problems with both choices.

      For one, who would spend 15 years of their life and up to 3 years of daily work to create a modern day videogame FOR FREE? Unless you want every videogame to follow an MMORPG micropayment model, no one EXCEPT the unbelievably wealthy could afford a lifestyle that supports that kind of charity.

      For two, suppose they DID decide to keep making videogames, but with this new expectation that they could likely only sell 1 copy — how much do you think they’re going to sell it for? These people spent 15 years of their life studying their crafts, 3 years working on a game, and millions of investor dollars. Are they going to sell the 1 copy for $49.99? HELL no. They’re going to sell that 1 copy for MILLIONS of dollars. So if ANYONE in the general public wants to play the game, they’re going to have to HOPE that those wealthy millionaires who can AFFORD it are charitable enough to upload it online.

      Copyright isn’t just some totalitarian idea to suppress people’s ability to share ~ it’s a public trust to encourage artists to share their works to the world at a reasonable cost, with the expectation that they can get a fair return on their life-long investments.

      • Dakari777

        December 20, 2011 at 4:33 pm

        Bands get about 1% if even that from money you spend on their CDs…the most of it goes to the record companies, the bands get money from playing at venues and selling their apparel and CDs there, not from places like best buy, fye, or (and this one really pisses me off) iTunes! same goes for people in movies, they are paid on salary, which means they get a set amount for the hours they put into a movie, after that they may get a slight bonus from the movie doing phenomenal but otherwise, nothing, copyright is a great idea, but not when the big companies get involved @penguinsoldier @supercainn

      • supercainn

        December 21, 2011 at 7:39 am

        @penguinsoldier i do understand, but its retarded to try to control and prevent people from sharing. Its like if i have a toy and i lend it to you because you dont have money to buy it. Is that a crime? no, its not, and even if they make a law against it, you just can prevent people from doing that, its IMPOSSIBLE. Laws against sharing are so retarded they cant even be enforced because there is no way to stop it. I am a programmer myself and i have my own website. I give away everything for free. And why is that? because i understand its IMPOSSIBLE to prevent people from stealing my stuff. Once you uploaded it to the internet, its EVERYBODY’s. If you dont like that then there is only one solution, do not put anything online.

      • penguinsoldier

        December 21, 2011 at 3:01 pm

        @supercainn You’re a programmer? Do you realize that what you’re basically saying is that every programmer who works for a software company should essentially work for free, because it’s IMPOSSIBLE to prevent people from stealing their work? How do you think programmers get paid? That the money comes out of thin air? Programmer salaries come from revenues made by selling copies of the products they work on.

        Imagine you were a programmer who spent 2 years working day and night developing Modern Warfare 2. And when your work was finished your company says to you “sorry, we can’t pay your wages, because some jackass put copies on the Internet for free, and no one is buying our games. We only made $49.99 off of our initial $200 million investment. Sorry.” THAT’S the scenario you’d want to support? You think that’s fair?

    • EliJeannineDirkx

      December 21, 2011 at 5:59 am

      @supercainn Can’t tell if stupid or trolling.

      • supercainn

        December 21, 2011 at 7:44 am

        @EliJeannineDirkx dont worry, i can tell you are both and 100% sure about it! hahahaha!


      • CambioNomeSenzaMotivo

        December 21, 2011 at 7:45 am

        @[email protected] Ok, it was troll. Of course troll also implies stupid.

  • AlexandreBoizard

    December 20, 2011 at 5:21 am

    If this

  • Bussani

    December 20, 2011 at 6:48 am

    People keep pointing out that sites containing content that falls under fair use should be perfectly safe, but is that true? Things that should fall under fair use are already taken down quite often by DMCA notices. You can file a counter-claim to get it put back up, but by doing so you’re making a legal declaration that you do, in fact, have the right to upload that content, so you’d better be REALLY sure that’s the case, lest you leave yourself open to further legal action. Recently there’s been a case of a company (Universal) taking down a video they had absolutely no legal right to; the video was quickly restored, and they all but admitted that they abused the system, but now they’re trying to weasel out of it with technicalities. Is it wrong to be worried when the government is trying to put so much power into the hands of people like this?

    Now imagine that SOPA becomes law, and whole websites can be taken down in a “shoot first, ask questions later” sort of way. SOPA also only leaves the website owner with five days to get their case together and counter-file. I think anyone who thinks at least some innocent sites won’t be impacted is being naive, and even in James doesn’t have all the facts himself, I think he’s right to be at least slightly concerned.

    And that isn’t even mentioning the damage the law could do from a technical point of view, such as hurting start-up businesses and fracturing the global DNS. It’s also pretty likely that sites like MegaUpload, which have perfectly legitimate uses, could be blocked because some people use them for piracy–even though the site has always operated legally by obeying any DMCA notice they receive, just like YouTube.

    Even if you’re against online piracy, SOPA has too many problems for it to be allowed to pass. It puts too much power in the hands of companies who have abused their power in the past, it doesn’t give website owners very good ways to protect themselves, and not only will it do unintended damage, but it’s actually really damn easy to circumvent if you DO want to pirate something from a site that’s been blocked.

  • _kc_

    December 20, 2011 at 11:24 am

    “Sopa” means “(a) Garbage” in swedish. And that’s why I think it’s a good acronym…

  • doul8r

    December 20, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    Also, these bills are part of the the bigger more sinister New World Order. They wont stop until they have complete control over our lives and information. These bills are terrible.

    • gamez

      December 20, 2011 at 1:11 pm

      Lol NWO, that’s going too far. Next you’ll believe the government plans on building tiny mechanical spiders to spy on you and record your home activity. and watch you when you take a shower @doul8r

      • December 20, 2011 at 2:30 pm


      • EliJeannineDirkx

        December 20, 2011 at 3:11 pm

        @[email protected] What, you mean they didn’t?

        I coulda sworn—

      • Aedan132

        December 21, 2011 at 11:01 am

        @[email protected] Actually, they are trying to do that. Not the mechanical spiders thing, because I’d crush that thing out of terror (I have arachnophobia), but the invasion of privacy to know what you’re doing at all times. They’re already trying to get thermostats into everyone’s house set to where only THEY can change the temperature. That’s just a start.

        The US government is nothing more than communistic and socialistic bills being thrown in, all of them thinking that it will work THIS TIME. Because the government’s too good for such things to fail. What they forget is, like now, people don’t WANT that shit as it goes against free will and human nature.

      • TimTheEnchanter

        December 21, 2011 at 2:12 pm

  • evan3585

    December 20, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    But US doesnt control the whole internet.

    • evan3585

      December 20, 2011 at 1:56 pm

      Yes I started my sentence with but. Its a free country right? so I will right sentence how I want.

    • RobMech

      December 20, 2011 at 1:57 pm

      @evan3585 no, however they could and will, if they pass these bills, control every website based in the US. Also if not enough opposition is shown, other countries might follow suit and before you know it the whole internet is censored. This is the start of an avalanche.

      • evan3585

        December 20, 2011 at 1:58 pm

        This is where hackers will take it back. @RobMech

      • evan3585

        December 20, 2011 at 1:59 pm

        Wouldnt this involve removing youtube? @RobMech

      • Dakari777

        December 20, 2011 at 4:24 pm

        Yes and no, the youtube we know that is filled with fan videos and vlogs and all the sort will no longer exist, instead it will be run my companies who choose to put their material out there, so it will be similar, but no where near the same

        @[email protected]

    • Dakari777

      December 20, 2011 at 4:25 pm

      We don’t control the whole internet, but with this bill it won’t matter, US will block any foreign websites (Yes even Canadian sites) that they cannot control and monitor, you will not be able to see anything the US government doesn’t want you to see, sound familiar? *cough*China*doublecough*NorthKorea etc… @evan3585

  • JeramieKruger

    December 20, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    This is some 1984 kinda shit, and we are all going to be fucked.

  • Grandkey

    December 20, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    UPDATE: Great news. We don’t always see eye-to-eye with Google, but we’re on the same team this time. Google CEO Eric Schmidt just came out swinging against PROTECT IP, saying, “I would be very, very careful if I were a government about arbitrarily [implementing] simple solutions to complex problems.” And then he went even further. From the LA Times:

    “If there is a law that requires DNSs, to do X and it’s passed by both houses of Congress and signed by the president of the United States and we disagree with it then we would still fight it,” he said, according to the report. “If it’s a request the answer is we wouldn’t do it, if it’s a discussion we wouldn’t do it.”

    Big content is irate. The Motion Picture Association of America released a statement saying, “We’ve heard this ‘but the law doesn’t apply to me’ argument before – but usually, it comes from content thieves, not a Fortune 500 company. Google should know better.”

  • Grandkey

    December 20, 2011 at 2:31 pm

    VICTORY! Because of immense public pressure, the House Judiciary Committee cancelled their vote on the bill that would kill Internet innovation and free speech — and adjourned for the rest of the year!

    The Internet fought back to protect the Internet — and we won, for now. We have to assemble our Internet army for next year, when this bill will come up again.

    • mcb01

      December 20, 2011 at 2:45 pm

      @GrandkeyOther than that blurb on, everything says the vote is still set for tomorrow.

    • mcb01

      December 20, 2011 at 2:45 pm

      @GrandkeyOther than that blurb on, everything says the vote is still set for tomorrow.

  • EliJeannineDirkx

    December 20, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    If it makes you feel better, Obama already said he would veto it.

    • Grandkey

      December 20, 2011 at 3:29 pm

      @EliJeannineDirkx Thats what he said when said he was gonna Veto that defence bill and he went ahead and signed it. Obama’s word don’t mean nothing anymore

    • Dakari777

      December 20, 2011 at 4:22 pm

      Like I said before this goes for you and anyone else who doesn’t know how bills work, it’s sent to the house and the senate, if they approve it, it’s then sent to the president, if he veto’s it, it will then get sent back and go through the house and senate again, if it is passed a second time, the presidents veto will not matter, the president is not the government, he is just a face @EliJeannineDirkx

  • ArikEmeis

    December 20, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    The Internet has always been a grey-zone and i think it should stay that way. i mean there is nothing that is as big as the internet in this world. of course the government tries to control it but i think, as a rebell in mind, that the internet is the only free place left in this world where everyone can be whatever he wants and do nearly everything he wants. and the politics are trying to get in there with agumentations like they are only looking for criminals but in the end everyone is a suspect and they will try to know everything you do. when the internet gets even more overwatched i will go in seclusion and never leave my house again. i mean they already know where you buy your food or whatever, they now where you are if you are connected to a hotspot with your iphone or over gps, they know what you watch on youtube or what you are searching with google. big brother is already watching you and wants to see even more!!!! fight the internet-police.Greeting from germany.

    • penguinsoldier

      December 20, 2011 at 6:37 pm

      @ArikEmeis Totally disagree. You can’t leave the Internet lawless and tell content-creators to just put up with copyright infringement. At some point government is going to have to step in.

      • Aedan132

        December 21, 2011 at 10:55 am

        @[email protected] The internet has laws already, they just aren’t intruding on everyone’s shit. Face it, not even the US is a free country anymore and the internet really brings everyone on it into a totally different place that is free.

        And on the actual PIRACY topic, I’d have to dispute it. While I’m not a pirate and likely never will be, I do support it. Why? Because there’s been many a time when someone has torrented something, found out how good it was, then bought it. Also, someone might torrent something, share a piece of it with his friends and then all of them buy it. It brings in cash. Also, everyone copy of something torrented isn’t a “lost sale” unless the person had an intent to buy it in the first place. I recently told a friend of mine how shit the game MorphX is. He wasn’t interested in buying it, so he torrented it and played it. No sale lost, but we did get an extra topic on how terrible some games are.

        But, like I said before, don’t forget why corporations are supporting it. They don’t care about stopping piracy, they care about getting more money and power.

      • penguinsoldier

        December 21, 2011 at 2:49 pm

        @[email protected] Torrented copies are produced without the permission of the original content creators. There are more than enough inexpensive/free sampling venues to make torrenting completely unnecessary. Want to test an album? Listen to samples on iTunes or Amazon. Interested in a video game or movie? Rent a copy from RedBox or Blockbuster.

        Just because an action has beneficial side effects doesn’t mean that it’s fundamentally right. Every illegal torrent essentially disrespects the copyrights of the original content creators. It should be up to the copyright holders to decide whether the benefits of torrenting their works outweighs the negative side effects.

      • scific

        December 21, 2011 at 4:53 pm

        Blockbuster is gone in Canada now thanks to the USA company dumping its debt on the actually profiting Canada side company. Way to go! I guess that leaves mom and pop renting places and..oh…the internet! @penguinsoldier @Aedan132 @ArikEmeis

      • penguinsoldier

        December 21, 2011 at 5:32 pm

        @[email protected]@ArikEmeis You’re right. NetFlix operates in Canada too. There’s also Le SuperClub Vidéotron as an alternative to Blockbuster.

  • JasonScottFord

    December 20, 2011 at 4:19 pm

    I have been concerned about this for awhile. James I know how political stuff turns off some people but this issue effects everyone. I encourage you to use your influence on stuff like this, make a video because because some people hate reading and sometimes when someone who people know and like speaks about stuff like this when they usually don’t it gets peoples attention.

  • headcase88

    December 20, 2011 at 4:21 pm

    At least it’s delayed ’til next year now, or that’s what they say.

  • MotherFucker Mike

    December 20, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    According to the markup on Dec 21 is postponed. If anyone knows until when, let us know.

  • AdamKennedy

    December 20, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    @MotherFucker Mike

    I believe it was postponed until the first of January.

  • likalaruku

    December 20, 2011 at 8:28 pm

    Hollywood figures “think how much money we could make if we could just sue everyone in the country. It’ll be like medieval times when the nobles taxed the shit out of the peasants & took more than half of their products as tribute.”

  • likalaruku

    December 20, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    I read somewhere that PIP already silently passed out of congress.

  • n3

    December 20, 2011 at 9:22 pm

    Hey James. I frickin’ hate this bill. I heard about it from Doug Walker, Angry Joe, and now even you. As soon as this was brought up, i took a step to stop it. I started an anti-SOPA petition at my school and alot of people signed. I am not sure if my friend sent it in to Washington yet. Either way, it’s looking like it wont pass. Studies show there are 12 percent more people against SOPA than there are supporters.

  • drallius

    December 20, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    Thanks for spreading this James. You’ve got a real strong following and, though it’s usually a good thing to stay out of political dispute in your case, this is a definite exception and I am glad you are addressing it. This is very important everybody!

  • StevenAlvarez

    December 20, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    *Sigh* I really did not want to comment on how easily the customers are just going to allow the bill to pass because corporations are doing this to protect their IP only. Let me give you a few real world examples of what is going to happen and what is actually happening without this bill being passed yet. Post Bill example: All the hard to find movies that are on youtube because no company wants to bring their old IP for sale since they believe it wont sell as much as they want, gone. Most of the amatuer videos on youtube containing music on it, gone. (you can’t prove that they have the physical copy unless they put a short clip before the video plays of having the copy in hand.)

    Present/Past example: Currently DVD’s contain roughly 3 episodes on popular anime/cartoon, yeah this won’t get exploited post bill. I watched Baki: The Grappler as sub on other sites and loved it so much that I bought the actual season collection. Just to find out that the official american copy was edited and cut for “western taste”. This meant adding or removing information the editors believe to be more useful. Those that watched this anime know what parts have been edited. Post bill? Goodbye original source, welcome edited trash.

  • EightBitWarrior

    December 20, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    @HartKnight Wow, even the AVGN is talking about it.

  • MaximilianoVallejo

    December 20, 2011 at 11:31 pm

    I just wanted to share with you guys this awesome anti-SOPA song that the zeitgeist movement posted on facebook, I hope youto enjoy it, here’s the link:

  • AJY84

    December 21, 2011 at 2:00 am

    The fact that they had $90 MILLION to throw at the right people in power and basically say, “Don’t ask questions, just pass this” PROVES that piracy isn’t bankrupting them. It all comes down to one word – greed. The fact that music sales still bring in $7.7 billion annually is remarkable. Yes, I realize that figure was cut in half since piracy began, but that was 10yrs ago. And guess what, if you make it affordable, it’s a better way to combat piracy. You don’t use a nuke to kill a few mosquitoes. I know there are going to be people who disagree with me, but the real problem is giving these people all that power. There are no limits to what they can consider infringement. They’ll tell you everything you want to hear and make you think they’re the good guys, but the truth is, even if it cost them one penny, they don’t care. Greed is what makes the world go round, and it’s one reason I truly wish a good plague would wipe out 50% or more of humanity.

  • December 21, 2011 at 6:32 am

    nice, thanks for sharing this out. we must support this petitions, it’s for all of us.

  • December 21, 2011 at 6:47 am

    If you have to run after your customers with lawsuits you are doing it wrong.

    Besides: What really pisses me off here is when some asshole scams you for a few bucks through online sales they tell you: not enough damage done, courts are too busy to handle this

  • Deleted

    December 21, 2011 at 7:15 am

    Soo…if I`l write Coca-Cola(here) without TM mark….this site can be banned?….Coca-Cola

  • gojirafan1

    December 21, 2011 at 8:30 am

    down with SOPA!!!

    i’m behind you 100% james

  • MarcusBrody

    December 21, 2011 at 8:56 am

    Dear Americans, don’t let this happen. The fate of the world is again in your hands.

    • Deleted

      December 21, 2011 at 9:07 am

      @MarcusBrody Again? After inventing McDonalds?

  • GooKing

    December 21, 2011 at 10:19 am

    SOPA has been postponed from what I hear, so we won’t be hearing from it for a while.

  • adal2007

    December 21, 2011 at 10:38 am

    I just read complete the Act, and i think is not bad, i mean, if you are against piracy, then you should support it, all the supposed things everyone is claiming here are pure nonsense, the protect-ip is a well structured act, it will make the internet a better more reliable place to be, the big companies have the right to claim their rights, they are the content owners, even logos should be used correctly, its the law, its not big science, you make something, you trademark it, no one can use it if you dont allow it, its that simple.

    It looks to me everyone here supports piracy, even if there is a big company, they have rights to claim.

    Microsoft and Apple support this Act, the OS you are using right now, so for me if they are supporting it, and we use their systems we should respect that decision.

    • Aedan132

      December 21, 2011 at 10:47 am

      @adal2007 I’m sorry, what? You’re telling people what they can and can’t do with something they purchased. I bought a Breaking Benjamin album lately. As it is now my property, I CAN put my music in a video with lyrics and upload it to YouTube.

      Do not forget that. It’s their name, but OUR property. I don’t see what that has to do with supporting piracy.

      The fact is that the big organizations are in it for the money. More people now have to go to them. Hollywood’s in it for their political agenda. They’re in it not because it attempts to stop piracy (and it does a damn shit job of doing that, I’m telling you), they’re in it because it gives them power.

      • adal2007

        December 21, 2011 at 11:02 am

        @Aedan132 But the copyright laws are clear you are not legally entitled to make a video with a Breaking Benjamin song (or any other commercial song), and upload it to youtube.

        that’s called “a copyright infraction”. Yes you “CAN” do it, but it’s not legal.

        Buying a CD or mp3 doesn’t authorize me to own a song, the only way a person could use a song in a youtube video is:

        – Have the commercial rights of the song

        – Use a public domain song

        – Use a Creative Commons licensed song (many artists release songs under this scheme)

        That’s a fact since the creation of the music and video industry, it’s the law, what more can i say?

      • UnolocK

        December 21, 2011 at 11:27 am

        @[email protected] That the law is shit, for start…

      • DanielWhiffing

        December 22, 2011 at 1:18 am

        Yes, but what about Jame’s videos? He would no longer be allowed to review movies or video games if this law was passed. Do you think that’s right? @adal2007 @Aedan132

      • penguinsoldier

        December 21, 2011 at 2:40 pm

        @[email protected] When you buy a CD, the physical disc is your property. If you want to share that disc with other people, that’s your right.

        The CONTENT on the disc, however, DOES NOT belong to you. Producing a CD for retail sale can cost musicians, studios and record labels 100s of thousands of investor dollars, and Hollywood movies can cost millions. Do you think they’re going to give you the full right to the content on their CDs and DVDs for $9.99 at Wal-Mart? You think they’re going to say “hey, you can buy our CD for $9.99, and sell copies of it to anyone else, that’s fine with us?”

        It’s the essence of the art trade since copying technologies were first invented. If a professional artist spends 3 months making a painting, he/she could sell the 1 painting for thousands of dollars, and only 1 person gets to enjoy it. But with copying technology, the general public can ALSO enjoy a copy of the same painting at a significantly lower price. Copyright encourages an artist to allow for copies of their work to be made with the fair expectation that each copy will give them a return on their initial investment. WITHOUT Copyright law, ANY jackass could take a high-res photo of your painting and sell/distribute free copies of it to everyone ~ making it difficult or even IMPOSSIBLE for the artist to make a return on their investment.

        You need to study up on copyright and WHY Intellectual Property laws exist. Copyright is a public trust that encourages artists and content creators to share their works to the public, with the fair expectation of a trade return on their investment.

    • mcb01

      December 21, 2011 at 10:59 am


      “It looks to me everyone here supports piracy”

      What complete nonsense and propaganda. You can be against these acts and be against piracy at the same time. Why do you think digital rights advocacy groups are up in arms over this? Because they are secretly pirates? No, because the acts infringe on our civil liberties.

      These acts are bad because they would make the US look like the next China or Syria, as in countries that block access. Even if it’s just to block foreign rogue sites, completely legit sites could be in trouble. It’s a slippery slope, and either way it’s censorship.

      • adal2007

        December 21, 2011 at 11:14 am

        @mcb01 Look, Piracy is uploading a youtube video with a commercial song or movie clip (there is fair use, but it doesn’t always work if the content owner considers the use of his file is not correct), even if the video is you just talking in front of a camera for 1 hour, it’s in the law of recording media and video, even in the youtube policy for uploading content something is made clear, it doesn’t matter if the song it’s from the 50’s or a movie is from the 40’s, if someone has the commercial rights of that particular “file”, the law states it can sue youtube or the user who upload it, that is plain law, it has been for ages, but the internet has no control over this issue, and gradually i think it will be more and more regulated, remember the big companies can be the devil, but they are still the content owners of the “file”, and we should at least consider that a valid action.

        I’m not talking anything about the act, I’m talking plain copyright law.

        Nothing new, it has been for ages in the copyright law.

      • BubbaBryant

        December 21, 2011 at 12:58 pm

        @[email protected] I agree that there needs to be some action to stop piracy. The problem is, this won’t help at all. In fact these bills look so ineffective that everyone sees it as a government cover-up to hide their real intentions to have the power to shut the voice of the people. Who knows, maybe that majority is right.

    • UnolocK

      December 21, 2011 at 11:38 am

      @adal2007 yeah, give them power to do whatever they want cos they are the owners, right? thats the law, right? you know that the house where you live (if you have one) its on a land that it is not yours, right? it belongs to your contry, right? and if the want to do what they want with their land, for example make you pay a $1000 per day and you don’t that makes you a criminal, right? and after loosing your house, and some years in prisson, you’ll live on the street if they let you… maybe you could ask to your multi millonaire companies friends to throu you a couple of dollars, right? ah, they are to much greedy? hahhahahaha… wait a couple of years and you’ll see…

    • JackeeLee

      December 22, 2011 at 1:56 am

      The current laws say that nobody can use copywrited content for profit. Putting a song on youtube is pretty much like free advertising for the bands that wrote it and they shouldnt complain. As long as their is a disclamer stating that the person that uploaded it doesnt own the copywright its perfectly fine. If I hear that song and then want to illegally download it from youtube, then I should be in trouble for that. Not the person who uploaded the video and not Youtube. If the bill was just trying to stop pirating, that would be fine. But its not about piracy, its about censorship.

  • SilverSlimer

    December 21, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    If you want to teach these guys a lesson, stop paying for commercial products. If they don’t make any money anymore, they’re bound to fuck off.

    • penguinsoldier

      December 21, 2011 at 2:25 pm

      @SilverSlimer They’ll also stop making commercial products. If that’s what you want.

      • December 21, 2011 at 3:45 pm

        @[email protected]

        most noncommercial products are better anyway. The only thing I’d buy is something that’s worth the money, like Megadeth Albums. the rest I wouldn’t even touch.

      • penguinsoldier

        December 21, 2011 at 4:01 pm

        @[email protected] Wow. So you’d rather not play games put out by Nintendo, Sony, Konami, etc.? You’re saying there are non-commercial games of the same quality as Skyward Sword and Portal? And non-commercial movies better than Avatar and Inception? Dude, let me know about em’, I wanna’ know.

      • December 21, 2011 at 4:08 pm

        @[email protected]

        “something that’s worth the money”…Nintendo doesn’t try to rip you off, and neither does sony or Konami. I’m talking about things such as recent movies, and the music they’re trying to push onto people like that stuff on Disney Channel or Justin Bieber etc…however, there’s quite a few games I like that are better than some commercial ones, such as Team Fortress 2. I know it used to be a commercial game, but it’s not now, and it’s pretty fun.

      • CambioNomeSenzaMotivo

        December 21, 2011 at 5:52 pm

        @[email protected]@SilverSlimer I think that’s a good point: buying things that are worth and ignoring things that aren’t. It’s simple, but many people prefer to download everything, like having the complete Nintendo library in their emulator, and then they obviously don’t even buy the one game they love the most. I admit I downloaded some games to try them, but I always try to buy the games I liked, if there’s the possibility to do so (for example I spend much time playing Nintendo World Championships on my emulator, but I don’t think I’ll ever buy it 😛 ). People should try to do something like this, rewarding who deserves it, but instead they just pretend everything.

  • derp12345

    December 21, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    Copyright on movies and entertainment stuff is stupid anyway. Guess who all those movies ripped off of, MOTHER NATURE. Whether its flying monkeys or whatever, Steven Spielberg owes the earth 100 mil for the creation of the dinosaurs. Oh Yeah, speaking of copyright, nothing is protecting the nerd from being ripped off by everyone.

    • CambioNomeSenzaMotivo

      December 21, 2011 at 3:06 pm

      @derp12345 R U saying if you have an idea you shouldn’t get any recognition for it?

      • derp12345

        December 21, 2011 at 3:41 pm

        @CambioNomeSenzaMotivo I hate to break it to you but all ideas relating to entertainment have been done already, its mostly just a regurgitation of stuff. The only difference between those who can defend their ip’s and who can’t depends on whom has the lawyers and money.

      • CambioNomeSenzaMotivo

        December 21, 2011 at 5:43 pm

        @derp12345 I agree that all ideas relating to entertainment have been done already, every written story is a slightly altered version of a previous story, but it’s still something new. If you disagree, then it’s pointless to coplain: just ignore new stories and only read stories whose copyright already expired (the writer must be dead from 80+ years and it has to be written before 1924, or 100 years ago starting in 2024), or copyright-free things.

  • CambioNomeSenzaMotivo

    December 21, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    Why are you all people against copyright laws in general?? It makes me mad! You have no idea what it takes to make a movie, a video game, a comic or a book? It takes a lot of time and money, and unless you have a lot of time and money to waste, it’s your GODDAMN RIGHT to ask people to pay you for something you did! Are you all just too lazy to work and earn money for them?

    • December 21, 2011 at 3:44 pm


      I’m not against what you’re saying, but half the copyright laws in this country are designed to screw the customer over. Youtube videos, for example, could just have ads on them when it comes to using a copyrighted song or video, and if a user decides to use adsense revenue, the copyright holder gets a share of the ad revenue you get.

      There’s millions of ways to fight against piracy and such. this isn’t one of them.

      • CambioNomeSenzaMotivo

        December 21, 2011 at 5:29 pm

        @DeathRulerOmega I agree.

    • InnerConvict

      December 21, 2011 at 4:16 pm


      No but then rewrite the bill in a way that it explicit goes after piracy. The way it is now is dubious and opens the door for all kind of crap. Your argument is a non sequitur since it doesn’t address our concerns and you’re creating a slippery slope by arguing that anyone who is against this bill is for piracy. Also you’re misrepresenting the facts since it’s not the artist but the publisher who is asking for money …and then you’re closing with an ad hominem. Great stuff dude!

      • penguinsoldier

        December 21, 2011 at 4:23 pm

        @[email protected] He’s probably talking about some of the other comments below. There are a handful of individuals on here that support piracy and/or want to do away with copyright altogether.

      • InnerConvict

        December 21, 2011 at 5:17 pm

        @[email protected]@CambioNomeSenzaMotivo

        Point conceded, I’ve seen too late that he’s not talking about the bill in general. So just forget about the non sequitur and the slippery slope -_- I have to read more carefully next time.

      • CambioNomeSenzaMotivo

        December 21, 2011 at 5:30 pm

        @[email protected] Actually it was my fault not to specify.


      December 21, 2011 at 4:58 pm


      I don’t think you understand what the larger issue at stake here. I personally don’t have an issue with protecting copyrights but this law is too broad AND vague and will DIRECTLY alter the structure of the internet as we know it. If you don’t understand that, you need to read up on these bills and see why Google, Yahoo and the rest of the other major opponents to this bill are rabidly fighting this. Making blanket statements about something you clearly haven’t researched isn’t helping your argument.


      December 21, 2011 at 5:00 pm


      I don’t think you understand what the larger issue at stake here. I personally don’t have an issue with protecting copyrights but this law is too broad AND vague and will DIRECTLY alter the structure of the internet as we know it. If you don’t understand that, you need to read up on these bills and see why Google, Yahoo and the rest of the other major opponents to this bill are rabidly fighting this. Making blanket statements about something you clearly haven’t researched isn’t helping your argument.


      December 21, 2011 at 5:01 pm

      @CambioNomeSenzaMotivo I don’t think you understand what the larger issue at stake here is. I personally don’t have an issue with protecting copyrights but this law is too broad AND vague and will DIRECTLY alter the structure of the internet as we know it. If you don’t understand that, you need to read up on these bills and see why Google, Yahoo and the rest of the other major opponents to this bill are rabidly fighting this. Making blanket statements about something you clearly haven’t researched isn’t helping your argument.

      • CambioNomeSenzaMotivo

        December 21, 2011 at 5:35 pm

        @RABBLRABBLE I’m sorry, I had to specify that my comment wasn’t directly to the bill, but to respond to some of the comments below, independently from my opinion on the bills.

        I think there are too many comments attacking copyright laws that are already there, and wouldn’t change with this bills, as they only affect the authorities’ way to intervene.

    • DanielHurst

      December 21, 2011 at 7:43 pm

      @Freddy Fiorentino SOPA is about controlling the content on the internet by use of controlling all internet DNS. DNS is what allows your computer to resolve the IP address of websites like “cinemassare” or “youtube” With this bill the entertainment industry could very easily step in and deny your request to visit these websites. DNS is not something that should be meddled with as it is the backone of the internet and should remain in control by your ISP. They are using piracy as a cover up over what they really want which is to control the content on the internet. Because of the mechanics I see this bill never passing! There is already addons you can download to firefox to bypass this.. one is called “desopa” This bill will never holdup!!

    • MarkElEvergiving

      December 22, 2011 at 12:00 am

      @Freddy Fiorentino

      Your wrong. Piracy doesnt hurt anyone. Fact. Avatar may have been torrented thousands of times. Did not stop it from being a hit. Fact. zombieland was torrented a lot, by people who wouldnt give the movie a chance otherwise. Led to much higher dvd sales. The creators have even acknowledged that. Fact, not everyone has enough money to see everything. If i have enough to go see the muppets, and hugo, but i also want to see sherlock holmes, why shouldnt i torrent it. It isnt like stealing. If i stole a loaf of bread, that bread would be eaten and cease to exist, that person i stole from lost money. If i wasnt go to pay to see sherlock holmes anyways, because i couldnt afford it, the movie didnt cease existing, nothing was lost. Piracy is good for little low budget affairs. It allows people to spend money on things they never would have watched anyways. If i dont want to pay to hear a band ive never heard of, lets say ramshackle glory. And i torrent their first cd, then become a huge fan, suddenly i am buying all kinds of merchandise, because i have become a fan. If what you made is good, people will pay for it in the long run. If it sucks, well chances are it was still a big hit, because lets face it. The worst movies/music are often the biggest hits. So no harm no foul.

      • JackeeLee

        December 22, 2011 at 1:47 am

        This comment bothers me. You expect us to believe that you wouldnt steal music from another cd because you stole the first one. In your example, you must have heard of that one band ramshackle glory some how. Maybe a friend or the radio or on youtube. listen to the song on youtube, borrow the cd from your friend. If you like it, buy the damn thing. Its not like torrenting is the only way or a good way to preview something before you see/hear it.

      • MarkElEvergiving

        December 22, 2011 at 1:58 am


        hear it on youtube? so partake in another act of copyright infringement? idiot. Hear it on the radio? i said obscure. small band, that i never heard of. How the hell am i gonna hear it on the radio? To be honest. I download a lot of music. If their is one bad thing i do, its that. Because i rarely actually buy the music. But too be fair. All the artists i listen too, have at one time or another said, they do not care if you take their music for free, as long as your listening. I dont listen to shitty bands that are only in it for the money. As for other things. I have bought almost every movie i ever loved and torrented. Sometimes it took me a while, sometimes i did it quick. But I love supporting artists. And movies (unlike most of the music i listen too) Costs a lot of money to make, and i want to support good art, so I buy what i like. Filmmakers can help that too, by adding special features in dvds. It sickens me sometimes when i buy a tv show, and their is literally one commenterry on one episode. The lack of effort is disgusting. Take a show like community that has commentary on every episode. Or a movie like scott pilgrim (over 15 hours of special features, and 4 commentaries) And i will buy it in an instant. It shows they care about their fans and deserve my money. Also. I have never, and will never torrent a movie that is currently in theatres, because that actually is one of the rare instances where it can hurt. So i torrent very morally. If i like it, i buy it. If i dont. Fuck it. Sure, their are people that abuse the system. But their are people who abuse welfare programs,doesnt mean we should stop them.

      • MarkElEvergiving

        December 22, 2011 at 2:18 am

        @JackeeLee Anywayss. This isnt really the place for this. I wasted too much time typing this. Nothing i, or anyone else has to say will change anyones opinion. You either support piracy, or you dont. I for one think its brilliant, and has helped many artists find more fans. yeah. I admit. It hurts those at the very top. But what would you prefer? Lil wayne selling 10 million cds instead of 8? or people like Ghost mice selling 5000 cds instead of 1000. I support the little guys. Plain and simple.

      • Aki

        December 22, 2011 at 3:59 am

        @[email protected] I haven’t met one person online who hasn’t downloaded something illegally. Information is becoming less and less personal and more public as the internet grows. The government needs to accept the fact that whatever problems they have with the internet ain’t never going away and move onto other issues that are more important. The bill is too broad anyway. A simple.. oops… we control the internet now. The internet is no one’s to control. And piracy shouldn’t matter. It’s like that Kid Rock video when he told us to steal everything. See a car you like, fuckin steal it. Take my shit. Steal my CDs. It’s not gonna go away. This bill won’t ever pass.

      • December 22, 2011 at 8:47 am

        @MarkElEvergiving Piracy is breaking the law! There’s no excuse for it! As I said in another comment, you are totally free to say the laws should change, but as long as they’re there, you have to follow them! There’s no excuse!

      • MarkElEvergiving

        December 22, 2011 at 3:07 pm

        @Freddy [email protected]

        By following laws you dont believe in you are supporting them. So no. If something is illegal and you dont believe in them. You shouldnt follow them. You take the risks that come with that. But following what you believe is unjust? that sir is how holocausts start.

    • Gimmickdinger

      December 22, 2011 at 10:55 pm

      @Freddy Fiorentino Spoken like a true tool


    December 21, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    Here is a petition that directly goes to the whitehouse once it receives 25,000 petitions (which it has). It can’t hurt to get more though.

  • WestBuiltAMountain

    December 21, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    I think we should shut down the Internet completely. It’s getting too powerful!

    • just

      December 22, 2011 at 3:38 am

      @WestBuiltAMountain no we schouldn’t moron

      • WestBuiltAMountain

        December 22, 2011 at 7:50 am

        @just Nice grammar. Also, the fact that you even took my reply somewhat seriously is pathetic. Sarcasm – look it up.

      • RavenDethSlartibartfast

        January 8, 2012 at 4:56 am

        @[email protected] That’s not grammar! That’s a major spelling failure! xD How the hell do you randomly add a “c” in “shouldn’t”? >_>

    • RavenDethSlartibartfast

      January 8, 2012 at 4:54 am

      *sends out a pack of wild dogs on you* @WestBuiltAMountain

  • kingharkinianzc

    December 21, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    This is ridiculous. This is like China taking away lady gaga times 1,000,000. This is unconstitutional. Free speech is a right under the constitution. If some kid puts their favorite song as the background music for a YouTube video, the government shouldn’t shut down the fucking site. I want to right to congress.

  • kingharkinianzc

    December 21, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    This is not about piracy. This is about censorship.

    • kaneda_bjf

      December 22, 2011 at 4:55 am

      No – it’s about piracy. If it were about censorship the law would dictate that you can’t purchase, listen to or watch whatever piece of media the government disapproved of. As far as I can see, the bill makes no claim of that nature. @kingharkinianzc

  • Davy

    December 21, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    This is so damn frustrating. What’s the problem with using copyrighted material in a parody or review or something of that nature? As long as you’re not making money off of it then I don’t see the problem. If anything it’s helping the movie or song that it’s referencing make even MORE money. As Angry Joe pointed out, after certain internet personalitites review a movie, then the sells of that film instantly go up. In my case it’s annoying cause I’ve made several parodys (and various other kinda videos), and have more planned. I’ve spent loads of time and effort on them, and if this bill passes then I’ll have no place to showcase them. The government would be extinguishing my creative spirit and need to amuse and entertain people, along with millions of others in the world. I hope like hell this bill doesn’t pass. You’d think that these people would have bigger fish to fry. It just seems like there’s always some bastard around to squeeze what little bit of pleasure you may get out of life 🙁

  • FredFuchedMeUp

    December 21, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    I’ve just signed every single one of the petitions that you’ve posted on your site.


  • AJY84

    December 22, 2011 at 2:51 am

    There’s only one other thing I will say about this. More and more each day I read about people from the independent scene speaking out AGAINST Protect IP and SOPA. These are the people who stand to be hurt the most by piracy, because they’re not multimillionaires with a ton of upstart capital and, yeah, you guessed it, hardly make anything in terms of profit from the stuff they do sell. Yet, the big four (albeit not everyone associated with them however shares their views) complain about how it’s causing them to go bankrupt and Americans are losing jobs. The problem I have with their pleas is that they are nothing more than disguises for their greed. And for someone to say that some big names are behind the bill, so we should blindly support it is absurd. If they told you every time you logged onto the internet, they asked you to do something ridiculous (like say, eat rabbit shit), would you do it? Just because they’re in a position of power doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t ask questions and protest against things that are nothing more than attempts for people with too much money and power to attempt to gain more. Corporate censorship and greed is wrong and these assholes need to realize that they may have to settle for only 15 brand new Audi’s in their driveway instead of 20. It’s easy for them to blame everything on piracy and sites like YouTube, yet they expect you to pay $24.99 for a movie that cost them less than $0.30cents per disc to put out. Slap it on a blank DVD, write the name with a Sharpie, and stick it in a paper sleeve and charge a FAIR AMOUNT, instead of asking consumers to pay $15+ more than what it’s worth for BOX ART. Right there is a better way around piracy. Again though, like I said in my last post, it all comes down to one word – greed. And the greedy people should not be allowed to have this power and wield it like a kid and their Dad’s gun. It’s wrong. Plus, for people saying that the government won’t let them or their people abuse this power…there are more pressing issues in the world right now than the internet and, for example, someone posting a lyric video to a song on YouTube. And again, this is why I put no faith in humanity and think that a good bulk of it needs to just be purged from the face of the Earth. So in closing, I truly believe there are more people who stand to lose a lot more from online piracy that are against these two bills, from what I’ve read alone. They are trying to rally people to the cause and if this bill gets passed, America will have dug its own grave. Because at that point, what JFK once said will happen; “Those who make a peaceful revolution impossible, make a violent revolution inevitable.” That’s it, I’m done, I’m out, I’ve signed the petition against it and asked all my friends to do the same.

    • kaneda_bjf

      December 22, 2011 at 4:52 am

      Well I don’t believe media companies ‘expect’ you to do anything. If you wanna pay $24.99 for a movie, then do so. If you don’t – flip the company off and don’t buy it. I know the shelf price of a DVD or CD isn’t nearly what it costs to make, but producing a single DVD movie is a little more than $0.30. Having said that, I tend to agree that decisions like this are profit driven (on the part of the manufacturer, at least), but it’s also about law. You can’t murder someone because they murdered someone else – despite the fact it seems like a just action. You expect that if someone breaks into your house that they’ll be held accountable, so you can’t just pick and choose the laws you want to be upheld simply because the end result is someone making more money, especially when they’re making that money from sales of a product that nobody is actually obligated to buy.

      I’ve mentioned already that if they start abusing the laws and targeting people for seemingly benign infringements, then many of the below arguments will certainly hold water. But, at the moment, the intent of the law is to curb piracy of copyrighted material – more power to it. @AJY84

      • Spellmouse

        December 22, 2011 at 5:22 am

        @[email protected] But this is also about /making/ laws that shouldn’t even exist. And this is what people are fighting. Making something legal is a much more exhausting challenge than it is to make something illegal and just /hope/ that someone amongst these 500 million people don’t abuse it. It’s not “the law” until it passes. — — —Fast-forward to if this law does pass. Pirates are still going to pirate. IRC Chat, IM groups, torrent files, and just typing in the IP address to visit the websites that you want to visit will still be happening. It’s going to make bootlegging and selling materials that aren’t yours /even more/ appealing because not everyone is going to know these tricks. — — —Here’s an idea for giant corporations: start taking advantage of the possibilities the Internet has for making money. Take advantage of sites like YouTube to showcase music and make ad revenue on the site, while providing links to iTunes for an easy 99¢ purchase. Provide incentives within software packages that allow you to engage with your audience consistently and people will purchase legal copies to acquire those features. Video games can be more accessible through channels that you can download them from. — — —Does this sound like a dream? It shouldn’t because these are all things that smarter companies ARE taking advantage of. So it’s no surprise that companies like Steam and Microsoft who have great understanding of the Internet are anti-SOPA, and companies like Nintendo and Sony with are pro-SOPA (as their attempts at being good at the Internet haven’t been great.) — — —The point is that the world has come a long way since pre-Internet times, so instead of trying to uphold this archaic mindset that everything must be controlled, taking advantage of the fiscal advantages that the Internet has to offer is a much wiser course of action for everyone.

      • Spellmouse

        December 22, 2011 at 5:29 am

        By the way, I’d like to point out how annoying it is that Livefyre smushes all my paragraphs together into one. I notice line breaks work for some people, but not me for some reason. Hopefully the em dashes make it readable.

      • kaneda_bjf

        December 22, 2011 at 6:38 am

        @Spellmouse Valid points, and I thoroughly agree that companies taking advantage of internet sales, both to increase revenue while curbing piracy, is an avenue more preferable to simply trying to stamp out piracy. I also agree that piracy won’t be stopped in one swift stroke by any counter-measure you could possibly dream up (short of killing everyone on the planet). My main problem here is that there are a lot of arguments against SOPA that are almost entirely baseless. At what point did it become such a taboo for people and/or companies to want to make money from their products? What makes everyone believe that the government or big business is suddenly concerned with shutting everyone down and putting a gag on the internet as a whole?

        I appreciate your counter-points, and you’re absolutely right. I just wish everyone would adopt your rational attitude. Oh, and yes – Livefyre ‘smushing’ is a pain.

      • Spellmouse

        December 22, 2011 at 9:17 am

        @kaneda_bjf It’s cool, you seem pretty relaxed so I figured I’d share my thoughts. It’s OK to be skeptical. I’m sure people are jumping to some rash conclusions about the bill too, but I’d still err on the side of caution on this one. If this bill is as bad as content producers have been saying it is, than it’s really going to sting if it passes.

    • Gimmickdinger

      December 22, 2011 at 10:13 pm

      @[email protected] Were you on all fours when you typed that? or just on your knees?

  • Grandkey

    December 22, 2011 at 5:57 am


  • HakumenKing101

    December 22, 2011 at 9:06 am

    Wait, does this only affect america?

    • KB1

      December 22, 2011 at 9:48 am

      Technically, no, it will affect everyone. The bill has been penned specifically to protect American Intellectual Properties but if it passes, American based sites like Cinemassacre and ThatGuyWithTheGlasses could be shut down altogether because of the content that is used/shown on them. In other words, people all over the world wouldn’t have access to these amazing videos. I’m not saying it will happen, but as James said, the bills are vaguely worded and it could [email protected]

    • KB1

      December 22, 2011 at 9:49 am

      @HakumenKing101 Technically, no, it will affect everyone. The bill has been penned specifically to protect American Intellectual Properties but if it passes, American based sites like Cinemassacre and ThatGuyWithTheGlasses could be shut down altogether, because of the content that is used/shown on them. In other words, people all over the world wouldn’t have access to these amazing videos. I’m not saying it will happen, but as James said, the bills are vaguely worded and it could happen

  • ford3517

    December 22, 2011 at 9:32 am

    Copyright needs to be reformed any way. It is only a means of squeezing every last penny out of a product and I can’t count how many sites have right in their rules that anything you post becomes property of the site. So basically you agree let them steal your work but how dare you steal theirs. Even James is guilty of this. I believe one should be able to hold a copyright for maybe five years and then it is free game. This would force people to constantly improve their products to be on the cutting edge so they don’t lose money when they lose their copyright. Lets take a look at Sweden, their copyright laws are nothing like ours and their economy is better. So apparently they are doing something better than we are.

    • penguinsoldier

      December 22, 2011 at 4:34 pm

      @ford3517 Sweden doesn’t exactly have the same enormous global entertainment output as the United States. And correlating Sweden’s lax copyright laws to their better economy is an honor by association (i.e. an association fallacy), unless you have supporting data.

  • Thrashing Deth

    December 22, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    Yea I agree, the piracy should be remove but if accident they might take out the internet entirely then that’s definitely not good and most definitely they need to re-edit those bills but no. If they secretly wanted to get rid of all the censorship, remove any and all entertainment, remove all the things that can be helpful in the search engines or even remove things that can help promote products and such. If this is there true intention, then all I can say is… “WHAT WERE THEY THINKING!”

  • KelliVail

    December 23, 2011 at 7:26 am

    I didn’t see this posted anywhere on here, but I saw this yesterday and found it kind of interesting:

  • vann20

    December 23, 2011 at 8:03 am

    The sad thing is that they want to stop piracy with such laws. Problem is, you will NEVER, EVER stop piracy. EVER. You will just ass-fuck all the other people who had nothing to do with piracy in the first place.

  • December 23, 2011 at 11:09 am

    This is ridiculous. All you have to do to stop piracy is stop file sharing sites from allowing other ueers to download content, add watermarks or ads into music videos on YouTube, and add some kind of audio message to MP3 files on YouTube. Of course, you can edit the MP3 files by removing the audio clip or simply download the video to an MP3 format. Videos should be allowed as long as they promote a product. Featuring more than 10 minutes of a movie should be illegal or more than 5 minutes of a T.V., but allow companies to post entire episodes for free or a certain number of them so people can submit their favorite scenes from an episode to help promote the company’s YouTube channel.

    Parody videos should be allowed with approval. Every YouTube video that is uploaded should be viewed by a YT staff member before it is actually posted so nudity, racism, etc. is not posted in the first place.

    • EliJeannineDirkx

      December 23, 2011 at 12:35 pm

      @Firewall_Philip_Hanan Good points there, but the YT part would probably clog the staff’s desk constantly.

      As it is now already, many videos are being uploaded per minute, and for them to try and view all of those first hand would be…well, it would take quite a few people on full capacity each hour of the day.

      At the current rate, that would mean a massive slowdown.

  • alfredough

    December 23, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    I’m glad that someone noticed this bill and that word continues to spread about it. We’re fortunate this didn’t slip under the radar or get submitted and passed too quickly for us to do something about it. I’ve read through some of your comments and there are a lot of good points being made. I hope collectively we Internet users can dissuade the government from passing these now or in the future.

  • ford3517

    December 23, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    The need to stop Piracy is ridiculous anyway. These companies still make new video game consoles, games movies, music, and etc. Actors and musicians still live fat and the execs live fatter and while I drive my $600 car they are worried about not being able to afford another Lambo to park in front of their huge house. They are in no danger of going out of business because of piracy and say what you want but even if piracy didn’t exist video games would still cost $50. Do you see oil companies cutting into their RECORD profits to lower the price of gas? It boggles my mind sometimes, every walk through I have ever read has all over it that it is the owners property and they don’t want it posted anywhere without permission. Why do they care so much, do you really need a pat on the back that bad? Did you write it to help people or so you could say “look what I wrote and you can’t have it unless I say so”? It’s crazy, this is exactly the attitude that has caused this world to be what it is. When I do a write up or something and post it on the internet, it is because I want people to benefit from it, They can do whatever they want with it short of making money off of it without cutting me in. Maybe I am just one of the few left not stuck up.

  • andy2112

    December 23, 2011 at 8:07 pm

    at risk of people bombarding me with comments on how wrong i am, has anyone checked to see what the ACLU’s position is on SOPA and PIPA? As they oppose piracy because it does affect free speech and people’s ideas, they do feel it needs to be revised. It is too broad in it’s language in the current form. For example, let’s say YouTube didn’t have any copyright infringing material (again I say this is hypothetical) and one random user decided to put up a video of a copyrighted song. The owner of the song could rightfully complain but the entire YouTube site could be blocked because of one user. The fact that supporters of this bill are trying to have it pushed through congress as fast as possible should raise some eyebrows, don’t you think. Bottom line is piracy is wrong. No one wants there idea stolen, the whole point of creating something and selling it is to make money. Do think James, Mike and Cinemassacre do what they do purely for our entertainment? No they do it to entertain us AND make money. The fact that big business is backing these bills is strange, I mean do you really think they got so powerful by being nice and not stealing ideas from people who can’t compete with them? You don’t get to the top by letting everyone pass you, and once your there do you want to let anyone have your spot? These bills need to be revised. Punishing the many for the deeds of the few is wrong. We need to stop piracy but not this way.


    December 23, 2011 at 10:18 pm

    Screw SOPA and the horse they rode in on! I pray this stupid law that attacks the innocent people of the internet will not be passed and I will do everything in my power to help stop it!

    • RavenDethSlartibartfast

      January 8, 2012 at 4:43 am

      The horse they rode in on has mental problems and can’t run correctly. @ROCKYKILLU

  • Lady Lolita

    December 23, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    Hey guys, if this might help the cause, here are all the companies supporting SOPA and PROTECT IP, straight from Congress!

  • 100moneys

    December 24, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    Hey, guys, i made a website too!

  • gregfrankenstein

    December 28, 2011 at 3:30 am

    1/2: They’ve been trying to fight piracy in more reasonable ways for years, and the internet has grown to the point where none of them worked. This is basically the only way to scare people into not torrenting shit. I certainly don’t want to see Cinemassacre or TGWTG disappear, but I don’t want to see the music industry die either, and music is my occupation. Movies stay afloat from overpriced 3D gimmicks and too-massive-to-pirate Blu-ray discs, and pirating a recent video game involves more modchipping and downloading of gigantic disk images than most want to bother with. With music, however, while there is the high fidelity of vinyl records, your average listener doesn’t give enough of a crap to hear the difference between a record and an mp3. It’s not like a movie where the AVI file looks more pixelated than the DVD; auditory fidelity is more subtle than that. And unlike pirated movies, you’re not chained to your computer or the tiny screen of some portable device; you can stick that mp3 on your iPod and soundtrack your every moment. It doesn’t help that musicians are portrayed as rich douchebags. While that might still be true for the endangered few that made their mark in the industry decades ago and are selling out stadiums for nostalgia tours, and while that’s certainly true for executives of whatever industry is left, the large, large, very large majority of musicians are going totally broke. I don’t just mean the unemployed, starving artist, my-band’s-gonna-make-it dudes; that hip band you and all your friends listen to is only able to keep doing what they’re doing by whoring themselves out to trends and advertising. If you’re frustrated by all the same-sounding music, blame yourself if you haven’t bought most of those albums you’ve been jamming out to in the last few years. If you hate seeing your favourite band featured in a Volvo ad and embarking on tours sponsored by fast food chains, again, blame yourself.

  • gregfrankenstein

    December 28, 2011 at 3:31 am

    2/2 And this supply and demand thing may seem a bit confusing to the modern remixing, sampling, drum-machine-addicted laptop home-recorder, recording an actual rock band takes thousands of dollars for equipment, and many thousands more for studio time. Thanks to everything moving to electronica out out cheapness and ease of use, however, we’ve practically been replaced by robots. We’re the laughable future from an old movie. I want music to evolve, but I also want it to flourish, and it’s headed in a terrible direction for that. Oh, and I almost forgot about YouTube. See, before YouTube, people were more likely to buy albums because they didn’t know how do download stuff. Too much software and virus risk for their taste. But when there was a place where they could just type a song title and hear it for free? Shit! It’s the soundtrack to every house party, and with smartphones, it’s even starting to replace the mp3 player. And sure, there’s the partnership program, but that only gets you a decent income if you make videos as often as sxephil. That guy makes like five videos a day because he’s a vlogger. A musician can’t come out with a song a day complete with a video, and no one wants to hear them ramble. Most music videos are on the label’s channel, and the artist only sees the tiniest peanut of ad revenue, if any. Bottom line: the internet has become a copyright anarchy. If a bill this ridiculous doesn’t pass, people will just keep finding ways to get shit for free, because they’ll say anything to defend free shit.

    • EliJeannineDirkx

      December 28, 2011 at 5:27 am

      @gregfrankenstein I used to think it’s easy to get free.

      Nowadays, I find myself buying everything I want because I have the money to do so.

      I can rightfully say my entire music collection is legal, unlike those tits who make excuses not to do so.

  • drripper

    December 28, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    sopa really hates technology

  • Prophet Wing

    December 28, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    I signed the petition, there’s no way I’m letting this SOPA idea see the light of day.

  • ford3517

    December 28, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    they might be able to stop pirating if they would refund your money for a game, movie, or cd that you pay for that turned out to suck ass. Besides, one can always record songs off the radio so what are you going to do about that. I have zero sympathy for artists who just want to be rich anyway, do it for the art or go home. Pirating may have never existed at all if it had not been for shitty albums you pay $20 for one song and shitty games and movies you buy and can’t return. There is no excuse for people not being able to make money with there music, Myspace is free, facebook is free, cinemassacre is free because of sponsers. Don’t lobby for laws so that you can screw the consumer so you can have a lambo parked in front of your mansion instead of settling for a decent house and a decent car short of the stars. Thank God sweden doesn’t have their head up there ass.

  • gjordan77

    December 29, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    The reality of the situation, especially when it comes to musicians, is that the piracy doesn’t even hurt them. Who does it hurt? It hurts record labels, most musicians don’t make a very big cut from their album sales (pennies for every dollar) so unless they are selling hundreds of thousands of copies, which only a few manage to do, the artist barely see’s a dime.

    But it’s more than a financial issue, it used to be that record labels were the authority in the music business, but their business plans and the interest of the artist are rarely aligned. Because fewer and fewer people are buying albums and concert attendance (where musicians make all their money, merch sales from their live shows) is just as strong as it ever was, the power is now in the hands of the musicians and their agents (if any).

    In the last ten years there’s been a really strong independent movement of musicians and bands that release albums under their own labels, rather than deal with record labels. The next generation of musicians might not even release physical copies of their music, who knows? All evidence has suggested that sales aren’t even that hurt, Amazon, itunes, and other online retailers of digital music are proving this daily as their profits have only gone up.

    I worked in the music business as a temp for about a year, I don’t want to overstate what I did there, because most of it was managing a database. I don’t want people to think I am claiming to be something I am not. That in mind, I was still there to learn and watch professionals do their job. I had a year of conversing with agents and musicians, learning their views on this topic and many others.

    In a day and age where most popular music is pooped out like soft serve ice cream straight into a cookie cutter I’m all for this type of piracy. Financial fortune has made music into a formulaic artistic medium where cool and rebellion are pre-packaged and served to you courtesy of marketing teams sucking “cool” through a straw in the heads of their test groups to regurgitate it in a hundred million pretty boy bands with just enough of a “rebellious” streak in it to serve ready made to teen aged consumers.

    The entire business of pop culture music is predicated around the disingenuous idea that a company can package these ideas and philosophies up into an amalgamation that expresses none of them well. They don’t want you to think they came hot off the factory press, but that’s just the way it is. These bands are formed, frequently, by record label executives who physically put together their own band of people with the right look and right sound then they dress them up and parade them around like a legitimate group of musicians whose songs are pre-written by a third party group employed by the record labels.

  • gjordan77

    December 29, 2011 at 3:37 pm


    What does that leave you with? Shallow music based around the shells of what test subject agree is “cool”. All we see are the puppets and their strings. People who don’t pay their dues, who didn’t come up as a band to hone and define their sound as an autonomous entity among their peers. How many of these bands have to endorse clothing lines so they can sell you skinny jeans made by some kid in a third world country for 5 cents an hour? Before we realize that we have undermined the creativity of an entire medium of expression? When was the last time a band that wasn’t on a major label won a Grammy?

    For many musicians, they owe their entire careers to piracy and the word of mouth spread of their music from peer to peer. I can’t think of a more, honest, pure way to be sincere in your craft and art. With such organic approaches to growth of music and exposure, it is more likely we will see real artists, with real ideas and opinions put at the forefront of popular culture. Look at the difference between pop music in the 90’s and the 2000’s. These twenties years have been a bleeding mix as the internet developed and became wide spread and music piracy with it.

    To say that piracy is “bad”, period, just seems to me, to overlook the larger issues that exist in North America’s culture and society these days.

  • MartinEkdahl

    December 30, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    Thanks for bringing up this important issue even if you normally likes to stay out of politics. I will spread the message to everyone I know. So folks, the Nerd has spoken. Now, lets go out and stop that crap!

  • BenjaminOstermeier

    December 31, 2011 at 7:25 am

    Hey James. It’s great to see you decided to speak out on the SOPA and Protect IP bills. I first heard from the Nostalgia Critic, and have been doing everything I can to help. Be it e-mails, spreading the world, petitions, you name it! If we all work together we can stop this from happening! Thanks, everyone, and to James, for bringing more light to this issue and helping us fight the good fight!

  • DannyWheeler

    January 3, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    Here’s what one YouTube friend said about it:


    That appears to be about “H.R.3261” – According to opencongress: “This bill would establish a system for taking down websites that the Justice Department determines to be dedicated to copyright infringment.”

    Also “This bill combines two separate Senate bills — S.968 and S.978 — into one big House bill.”

    So as far as it’s impact on YouTube’s game-casting community goes, it will have limited to no impact.

    However, there is reason to be concerned that this would give the DOJ the ability to enact censorship in a limited, but real way. They would be able to demand that sites like facebook and search engines like google remove links to websites they deem are solely for the infringement of copyrights….

    I believe this bill is specifically targeting thepiratebay, isohunt, and other bittorrent sites.

    The panicky language on is silly and over the top, but the bill is real and I do oppose it.


    I too voiced my opposition. Now, it will have limited to no impact on AVGN videos and the like, but as stated before, I voiced my opposition. I said to them: “There are ways of combating piracy without sacrificing free speech.” And my Senator shared what he heard of both sides of the story (both for it and against it). And he said he will take the free speech concerns into consideration upon considering the bill.

  • Strazdas

    January 5, 2012 at 7:48 am

    The most sad fact about this is that congressmen that support such bill dont even know how to turn on thier computer.

    It will pass. internet people are too unorganized and lazy to react correctly. And correct reaction would be locking the authors up for insanity.

  • Raven1988

    January 5, 2012 at 7:10 pm

    My reasons for pirating come down pretty much entirely to 1 thing: Availability.

    If i find myself enjoying a TV show, i will usually try to get it on DVD, but if i can’t get it on DVD in my country, what am i supposed to do? Order it in from another country, so that i have a DVD which i need to buy an expensive player to watch?I admit i used to pirate games a fair bit, but then Steam comes along, gives me a massive library of games, they release at the same time everywhere, they’re cheaper than stores here (for the most part) and best of all, it’s so easy. Why is there not a program just like Steam, but for TV shows. Before you say it, i am aware of programs like Netflix, and that iTunes has some TV shows available for purchase, but this is only available in a few select countries.I would happily pay $1.50 an episode for Destination Truth for example, a show that i cannot get in this country at all.—-ATTENTION ALL GOVERNMENTS OF THE WORLD—-

    You will NEVER stop piracy. It cannot be done.You could pass a law that allows you to behead a person on SUSPICION of piracy, people will STILL do it.The ONLY way to reduce it, is to attack the main causes of piracy.1: Availability. Distribution costs next to nothing, internet distribution even less. stop being stingy fucks, and let everyone in the world buy your stuff. Steam has proven this can be done with an enormous level of success.2: The anti-piracy measures themselves. You let a person buy a game/movie/music cd, but you don’t let them return it, if they hate it, they’re out however much it cost, and stuck with the crappy purchase to boot. If people were allowed to return things, less people would have the mentality “i’l pirate it, because if i hate it, at least i haven’t wasted any money”3: Most important of all, get people who actually know a thing or 2 about computers to write these bills, rather than people who would likely spend an hour trying to figure out how to turn the machine on without help.

    • EliJeannineDirkx

      January 6, 2012 at 7:09 am

      @Raven1988 Since I discovered Steam, I bought quite a few games in only a few weeks.

      Might try Spotify for music, though the library doesn’t support every country yet sadly.

  • Pyriel

    January 5, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    Communist Obama will pass this bill. It’s supposedly similiar to what the chineses have in place. Tho alterative websites like “” will likely be blocked. Now SOPA along with NDAA and the people visiting the above website can be listed/marked as terrorist and can be arrested and detained indefinitely with out trail/due process which is 4th and 6th amendment deal with.. the NDAA destroys those amendments. These 2 bills are very closely connected to each other. NDAA also allows for martial law. The united states is also now comsidered a battle field cause of the NDAA. Americans better start standing up to the terrorists in the whitehouse and in state government or be hauled off to fema/concentration camps in the near future. The only duty american citizens have is to take back they’re country and remove the tyrants this is what the 2nd amendment is actually for..

    • EliJeannineDirkx

      January 6, 2012 at 7:10 am

      @Pyriel You lost your credibility with the mention of infowars, I’m afraid.

      • HuneyMunster

        January 7, 2012 at 8:37 pm

        @[email protected] Credibility was lost from calling Obama a communist (a classless, moneyless, stateless and revolutionary socialist society structured upon common ownership of the means of production) that would pass a Capitalist type bill makes no sense to me.

  • waltsoph3

    January 6, 2012 at 6:47 pm

    I’ve learned today from that the bill is to be voted for on the 24th.

    James I wholeheartly understand what you meen by staying out of politics. I don’t want to be involved in politics yet latley its starting to become more difficult to ignore.

    I read this bill and I dread what will happen if enforced. The bill is to broad.

    Latly even to me I truly feel like things ment for good purpose are instead starting to be used for ceratin gains.

    I’m all for supporting companies,creators,and artist by choosing to buy there product.

    And thats the key word: choice.

    This bill does anything but give regular people that ability if passed.

    As a saying goes..”truth is stranger than fiction”..boy have I become a beliver of that saying. 🙁

    My vote is against SOPA. Heres hoping for the best.

  • Pyriel

    January 7, 2012 at 1:30 am

    The reason the world is so screwed up is cause no one pays attention to politics and follows what the tyrannical governments do so they get away with whatever they want.. The US dollar as the world reserve currency is going to end and with it you’ll see massive inflation..

    Look around you and you’ll see it.. They just print money out of thin air.. Nothing backs it.. no gold, silver or anything.. When they devalue the dollar, you’;ll see riots etc mainly for food. they have trained us to rely on the system they created… cause of the riots, martial law will be started. The NDAA bill allows this to happen. This is actually probably a bad time to be making a movie.

    You all better start following politics and the bills they are coming up with cause it does not benefit the people anymore.. Also, I encourage every one to not pay taxes.. there is no law.. the IRS is a private business, it’s not part of the government, making taxes illegal.. the money you have.. is illegal too.. federal reserve is a private business not part of the government.. If you like being a slave and a zombie then dont learn your shit and follow politics/bills they make.

    You people are in for a big surprise cause of your blindness to the true..

    • gamez

      January 7, 2012 at 3:35 pm

      Yes I am a slave to the machine. Ha hahahaha. Careful now buddy the aliens are watching you. The overseers are coming to take you away [email protected]

    • RavenDethSlartibartfast

      January 8, 2012 at 4:35 am

      My friend told me that Martial Law will be starting in September. I hope it won’t be coming true… I don’t want to die.. >_< @Pyriel

      • EliJeannineDirkx

        January 8, 2012 at 10:07 am

        @RavenDethSlartibartfast Martial law was also said to start back in 2009.

        I want my money back.

      • FrankMichaelWarrington

        January 10, 2012 at 1:26 am

        really well i just spoke with martial laws son forrest and he said no @EliJeannineDirkx @RavenDethSlartibartfast

  • MartinEkdahl

    January 8, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    “Sopa” is “Trash” in Swedish. So, you can actually say that Sopa is trash.

  • MartinEkdahl

    January 8, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    The Swedish translation of the word “Sopa” is “Trash” . So, you can actually say that Sopa IS trash.

  • ford3517

    January 14, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    People are stupid, they will never stand and take this country back. The best thing that could happen is Armageddon so the strong can survive and rebuild and kill off the spineless morons that cause this country to be what it is today.

  • Doogrisa

    January 16, 2012 at 5:11 pm

    The SOPA and the Protect IP bill got thrown out.

    • emozombieman

      January 16, 2012 at 6:37 pm

      @Doogrisa Not true, SOPA was shelved indefinitely. PIPA is alive and well.

      • Doogrisa

        January 16, 2012 at 7:53 pm


        ya thats right

      • gamez

        January 18, 2012 at 2:50 am

        Actually according to wikipedia, SOPA is not dead. It is being considred for debate early February. In fact Wikipedia now has a 24 hour blackout on its site. @Doogrisa @emozombieman Actually

  • Big Bad Mootooth

    January 17, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    Hey, okay. SOPA is bad. Piracy is good. Now what if I buy your DVD and then upload it for free on the pirate bay? I think you will regret badmouthing the Congress after that, boy.

    • Strazdas

      January 18, 2012 at 4:13 am

      @Big Bad Mootooth Actually, SOPA is bad, Piracy is bad with some exeptions and SOPA has very little to do with piracy and very much to do with corporate control of internet.

  • Erwinator

    January 18, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    BREIN censored the Pirate Bay :L Can’t use it anymore :L

    • deathbyafrog

      January 18, 2012 at 8:20 pm

      @Erwinator sry bro i feel ur pain if this law goes u no avgn and if that happen well im gonna be one piss motherfucker 1st amendment bitches !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • deathbyafrog

    January 18, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    let hope they dont pass this stupid law

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