James / November 24th, 2011
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November 24, 2011 at 12:22 am
Glad I passed on this monster game as a kid!!! Holy Crap!!!
November 24, 2011 at 12:32 am
Always a treat to see the Board James episodes.
November 24, 2011 at 12:35 am
New Board James episode, excellent. And title cards are back 🙂
WOW! Now, that’s what you call a BOARD! the part where they had to move the couch and then they fill the board with other boards was just hilarious.
I totally knew Mike was going to cheat when he said it was his kind of game while looking at those cards.
“What is this, Simon’s Quest?” am I watching an AVGN episode? 🙂
“How many licks does it take to get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop? The world may never know” that last question took me by surprise, I laughed so hard at that part.
Man… This game sure looks really impressive, but after all those rules, at 7:19, I was feeling just like Mike “All right, you know what? You win…”
This was a great episode.
November 24, 2011 at 12:41 am
anywhere else i can see this? ive refreshed 5 times and its not giving me anything.
November 24, 2011 at 1:15 pm
@LarkHutson Do you use an ad blocker? Typically it won’t work if you do. Otherwise you can click the blip.tv link below the video.
November 24, 2011 at 12:50 am
I saw a Bed Bugs game…..I use to love that!
November 24, 2011 at 1:07 am
I’m usually into these complicated games but this one just looks like… shit!
November 24, 2011 at 1:11 am
Why wasn’t Kyle behind your couch?
November 24, 2011 at 1:14 am
Cheers james! great episode as usual 😀
November 24, 2011 at 1:18 am
Oh wow, this might have made an interesting videogame, but I think people have a harder time keeping track of rules than a computer. That’s ridiculous.
November 24, 2011 at 1:23 am
The ammount of rules reminds me of GURPS, and I love GURPS.
Looks kinda boring when you have to look after the manual, but pretty exciting after you memorize all the (relevant) rules.
epic shrug at the end james, made the episode for me
November 24, 2011 at 1:35 am
Review Omega Virus next! That was an epic board game.
November 24, 2011 at 1:37 am
If you think this board game is too big and complex you should see warhammer fantasy battle.
That shit is huuuuge. Would be pretty expensive to get it all together though for an episode
November 24, 2011 at 1:54 am
If anyone actually played this game all the way through to the end, I salute them.
November 24, 2011 at 1:58 am
I’m sure if people took the time to learn how the game was played it could actually be a really great game! too bad patience is hard to come by these days.
October 14, 2013 at 12:35 pm
My thoughts exactly. Just because a game has complicated rules or progresses slowly does not mean it is bad. On the contrary, if a game is too simple it gets boring very quickly. The complexity of the game mechanics just adds more tactical elements into the game, which means you actually have to think before making desicions. It really is a pity that so many people have so little patience as Motherfucker Mike.
Personally, I would be thrilled to try out this game.
October 15, 2013 at 8:45 am
My thoughts exactly. Just because a game progresses slowly and has complicated rules does not mean it is bad. On the contrary, if a game is too simple it gets boring very quickly. The complexity of a game like this adds tactical elements into it which means you actually have to think before making a desicion. It really is a pity that most people have as little patience as Motherfucker Mike.
Personally, I would be thrilled to try this out.
October 15, 2013 at 8:46 am
My thoughts exactly. Just because a game progresses slowly and has complicated rules does not mean it is bad. On the contrary, if a game is too simple it gets boring very quickly. The complexity of a game like this adds tactical elements into it which means you actually have to THINK before making a desicion. It really is a pity that most people have as little patience as Motherfucker Mike.
November 24, 2011 at 2:13 am
Speaking of complicated tabletop war games, perhaps you guys should do so Warhammer Fantasy or 40k games… Well I’m no fan of the warhammer games, but I’d really like to see how you guys would do that.
November 24, 2011 at 2:35 am
I actually have this game. I wanted it for christmas one year and was super excited when I got it because I used to play Hero Quest all the time. I did learn to play it and played it several times, but it wasn’t too good. The evil guys won every time because they had the Ogre Champion.
I also have Warhammer Quest, which was like a more complicated version of Hero Quest. I never ended up playing it because the book was like half an inch thick. It looked cool though.
November 25, 2011 at 6:44 pm
@koopzilla Always cannonball the ogre.
November 24, 2011 at 2:59 am
I own a game named Lionheart which uses the same miniatures but is smaller and more like a chess game
November 24, 2011 at 3:03 am
Actually, this game has a similar goal than Heroquest: HQ was an introduction to pen & papers rpg (in particular, Warhammer Fantasy RPG, set in the same universe and published by the same company), this one is a SIMPLIFIED version of wargames like Warhammer Fantasy or Warhammer 40K. And these 2 games are considered too simple by the hardcore gamers. And yeah, the boards are usually a lot bigger than that. Basically, you enter the dark side of boardgames.
This (very) particular trend of gaming was born around 1910, and one of the pioneers is the always awesome writer (and proto-geek) HG Wells, author of “Little Wars: a game for boys from twelve years of age to one hundred and fifty and for that more intelligent sort of girl who likes boys’ games and books”.
Also in the universe of Warhammer, you might want to try Blood Bowl,a football boardgame with fantasy creatures. It’s a lot of fun, really. The Chaos Warriors and the orcs seriously kick ass.
Sorry if my writings are weird: english isn’t my natural language.
November 24, 2011 at 6:24 am
@Ektah Better than Blood Bowl would be the free Elfball game (well, the rules are free and you can buy mats and minis). There’s an expansion to it called Streetbrawl which is more Blood Bowl-like than Elfball
November 24, 2011 at 6:50 am
@kaylakaze Sounds cool. I’ll try that if i can convince my friends (the everlasting mantra of the rpg/boardgame player, as previously mentioned by James).
November 24, 2011 at 3:07 am
Its a futon not a couch XD. you know that james, because you corrected Kyle during the bugs bunny birthday blow episode of avgn.
November 24, 2011 at 3:20 am
Sheesh, this should have just been a PC game or something. Soooo maaaany ruuuuules.
November 24, 2011 at 3:56 am
entertaining as always James and Mike. Thanks. and a Happy Thanksgiving to everyone in CinemassacreNation
November 24, 2011 at 4:17 am
best thing about this game. It was the cheapest way to EVER buy Games Workshop minis for Warhammer. Probably the reason it didn’t last long.
November 24, 2011 at 4:38 am
@RichardShort …was just thinkin about that ….warhammer and games workshop rule
Watching some of these Board James videos reminds me of the times when I’ve tried to convince my friends to play games like Dungeons and Dragons or Warhammer (Which, as many people have already pointed out by now, are essentially more advanced versions of Dragon Strike and Battle Masters) only for them to either not be too interested or muck around whenever I do actually convince them to play.
I’m actually kinda surprised that James hasn’t brought up DnD yet. It always struck me as the perfect game for people with active imaginations, seeing as it was one of the first ever games where you could pretty much do ANYTHING you wanted. Then again, it’s also 10x more complicated than Dragon Strike, and I get the impression from these videos that James is more into casual board games than anything that requires too much planning in advance.
Either way, it’d be interesting to see a video where James takes a look at one of the DnD starter sets or something.
November 24, 2011 at 4:56 am
There was a game a bit like this about a decade ago that was actually advertised as the “most complicated game ever….” , anyone know what i’m thinking of?
November 24, 2011 at 5:10 am
Chaos? Looks like a Warhammer game to me.
November 24, 2011 at 9:07 pm
@ErichStevenson It basically was. It was produced by Games Workshop and Milton Bradley. Essentially you could have called it “Hero Quest Tactics” or “My First Warhammer”.
November 24, 2011 at 5:21 am
That is one huge gamespace!
November 24, 2011 at 5:42 am
Board James and Motherfucker Mike should play a Dungeons and Dragons game DMed by Chris Perkins…
Make it happen Cinemassacre and Wizards!
November 25, 2011 at 6:39 pm
@BrunoMazzolli Oh totally, I love thier celebrity D&D games podcasts. Mike would be the perfect asshole to play a rogue.
And, honestly you don’t REALLY need to know anything to play D&D with a good Dungeon Master.
November 24, 2011 at 5:55 am
why can i not watch the board james
November 24, 2011 at 6:10 am
@Piggyman132 If you’re having trouble with it, try the Blip link below
November 24, 2011 at 7:35 am
@Piggyman132 you’ll run into those problems with addblocks… shame on you
November 24, 2011 at 5:59 am
My friends and I used to play this game all the time, in fact, my brother still has it somewhere in his house…I think most of the pieces are missing though. I actually thought it was pretty good but just took awhile to play…nobody liking being the Chaos army though…probably because even though they have more characters, they’re a lot weaker (less dice to roll).
They don’t sell this anymore, do they? Anyway, if they do, I think it’s worth picking up.
November 24, 2011 at 7:15 am
Hi guys! I know it’s lame, specially since it is the second time that I’m doing that, but I’d like to share with you my epic orchestral AVGN theme song (it uses actually real symphonic instruments samples). I’m pretty sure that it could fit in the movie. Anyway, here is the link : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpBF2Paf7Pc&feature=BFa&list=LLYZ4NWUvSVkD4l38sEY_Uag&lf=mh_lolz
November 24, 2011 at 7:54 am
November 24, 2011 at 7:58 am
Yeah, it seems like a simpler version of Warhammer, but problem is that it’s all explained so badly and confusingly. While Warhammer is more complex and deep, the information is presented far more clearly and in a more tiered fashion. In other words, you can read the basic rules and jump in pretty quickly with Warhammer due to how the info is given to you, and then you can dive progressively deeper into the rules and develop how you’re playing the game over time.
This reminds me of the Game of Thrones CCG compared to Magic The Gathering. They both have similar goals, but MTG’s rules are presented so much better and more logically that the GoT CCG, meaning the latter is a fucking nightmare to actually get going with even though there’s far less to it.
November 24, 2011 at 8:28 am
I thought i was gonna see Kyle Justin sitting behind the couch, but i dissapointed 🙁
November 24, 2011 at 8:43 am
My brother and i used to have this game and we freaking loved it. It was massive to get out and we weren’t allowed to get it out most of the time but when we did. BOOM it was epic.
November 24, 2011 at 9:10 am
I would never play that peice of shit.
November 24, 2011 at 9:38 am
November 24, 2011 at 9:46 am
hahaha xD great episode!!
November 24, 2011 at 10:04 am
Man, it does look the same as Warhammer Fantasy Battles, and I honestly think it would be faster and funnier to have a normal Warhammer battle.
November 24, 2011 at 10:19 am
@MarcusOppidus saying Warhammer would be faster explains A LOT about this board game!
November 24, 2011 at 2:27 pm
@MarcusOppidus Warhammer fast?????? It takes one hour to get all your friends to unpack their armies from their suitcases, and check once again their army list.
One more hour to deploy your army on the battlefield.
One hour to start playing
One hour because it’s already 4 o’clock and everybody needs a break.
and when it get’s around 6 or 7 in the evening, and that the number of units are declining (which accelerates the game, since their are less models to move) , the battle finaly finishes… and you’ve spent your entire saturday afternoon playong just a single warhammer battle… this is one of the reason that made me quit playing that game (the main reason was actually the money… )
Don’t listen to James: Battle Masters is very easy to understand and very quick to play compared to Warhammer…
August 8, 2014 at 7:04 pm
This is why I play (modified) “40k in 40 minutes” rules. I don’t play giant ass 2000 point games; I play small 400-600 point skirmishes and can play 3 times as many games in the same amount of time.
November 24, 2011 at 10:35 am
It’s like me and my friends starting D&D back in the day.
November 24, 2011 at 12:17 pm
Install adblock plus plugin to firefox…no more shit 🙂 @heigen
November 24, 2011 at 10:59 am
no kyle? did he move to a different better couch? 😛
November 24, 2011 at 11:02 am
Crossfire is still the best board james
November 24, 2011 at 11:04 am
Actually my friends and I used to play the hell out of this game. Slow to start, but once you got battle underway, it was awesome.
November 24, 2011 at 11:14 am
My cousin got this game for Christmas yrs ago.. I always wanted too play it but could never do so.. My cousin said U need an expansion too play this game.. so it sat around collect dust.. What a waste of money and time..
November 24, 2011 at 11:50 am
November 24, 2011 at 12:01 pm
Epic i love games like this. a true conquest game you beat your friend you can piss him off for a long time ;b. just like Risk.
November 24, 2011 at 12:11 pm
Mike “is it anything as complicated as that?”
Mike never played Descent: Journeys in the Dark 🙂
November 24, 2011 at 12:14 pm
This game looks awesome. It reminds me of Warhammer, or Warzone. It is pretty damn complicated, and not something you just pick up in the middle of a rainy saturday afternoon because you can’t play outside. Looks like a fun game though. I bet I could get my brother to play it with me.
November 24, 2011 at 2:18 pm
@DonSkiver This game is actually a Warhammer game made by Games Workshop during the 90’s. It was targeting kids and trying to get them acquainted with the general meccanics of the game and the background of the universe… most of the kids at that time started playing Battle Masters before passing to Warhammer… I know this, it happened to me…
November 24, 2011 at 2:14 pm
This game was made by Games Workshop and edited by MB. It actually takes place in the Warhammer fantasy world and it’s a very, very simplified game compared to what are the true Warhammer battles!
I got this game on my christmas 1994 when I was still a kid in High School. I previously had Hero Quest for Xmas 1991 but when this game came out, I just wanted this one: it looked so much like hero quest but with so much models and huge battles in perspective!
When I got to Secondary school, I met some guys who where actually playing the Warhammer battle game, and I said “wow, this looks just like that Battle Masters game I own, but in so much sophisticated!”. And they told me: “no wonder: Battle Masters is a Warhammer game for kids! If you want to play true battles, you’ve got to pass on the upper level and start playing Warhammer.”
An this is what I actually did…
I don’t actually understand what James found difficult to understand in this game: it’s easy as shit.
November 24, 2011 at 2:20 pm
@Nintendo_Frog I used to collect warhammer lizardmen pieces but I didn’t actually got to play it =(
November 24, 2011 at 3:11 pm
@JulianMartinezOrgaz Good: you saved your time and your money. Warhammer is and endless sinkhole that will engulf all your money and take all your fucking spare time… I’m glad I got out of it!
On the other hand, the universe is cool, (Warcraft actually ripped off everything from GW’s univere), and you should try the novels, they’re awsome!
November 24, 2011 at 2:17 pm
This kinda seems like a crude board version of Fire Emblem xD
November 24, 2011 at 2:19 pm
@JulianMartinezOrgaz It’s actually more like a crude version of Advance Wars.
November 24, 2011 at 2:51 pm
I wonder if they’ve ever considered playing Warhammer 40K or another warhammer type board game (not played in ages). After all it is a board game with tape measures and dice and the likes.
November 24, 2011 at 4:19 pm
Games Workshop FTW!
November 24, 2011 at 4:45 pm
Just finished watching it. Great vid as always, James!
One of the best yet.
very funny ! XD
great job, as always 🙂 keep it up guys 😉
November 24, 2011 at 4:51 pm
the contra shirt is awesome!
November 24, 2011 at 5:03 pm
Happy Thanksgiving from
Cape Cod, MA!!
Great vid james!
November 24, 2011 at 5:45 pm
OMG i loved this,so funny:D
November 24, 2011 at 6:31 pm
Not gonna lie, I half expected to see Kyle Justin when you started moving the couch lol. GET BACK BEHIND THE DAMN COUCH!
November 25, 2011 at 6:33 pm
@lozfan1993 That’s being saved for the Special Edition.
Unfortunately in that one Mike doesn’t shoot first.
November 24, 2011 at 7:03 pm
This seems to be a wargame. Other people have pointed out that this game is set in the Warhammer universe, but the genre would be a wargame. There are actually tons of enthusiasts that play games of this genre, probably ones much more complex then this. But it seems that in order to enjoy this genre completely you have to like the strategy, of being able to out think your opponent.
November 24, 2011 at 7:10 pm
How about the legend of zelda board game? I know you have that.
November 24, 2011 at 7:44 pm
Great video! Laughed the way through!. This seems like one of those game you would have to play by yourself a few times to learn.. then spend months trying to convince your friends to play.. eventually it ends up in the attic, missing all the pieces.. despite the fact no one has ever played it.
November 24, 2011 at 7:46 pm
Motherfucker cant stop cheating hahaha!
November 24, 2011 at 8:29 pm
Hey James if you think this game is complex you should try Magic Realm
Also keep up the good work, your vids are hilarious.
November 24, 2011 at 8:34 pm
Am I the only one who thought Kyle should have been behind the couch?
November 24, 2011 at 9:37 pm
Omg, i wouldn’t wanna try and learn all that there is to this game.
November 24, 2011 at 9:53 pm
My first comment for you James… and i hope you get it.
A) why aren’t you using your nice high res camera?
B) would have been awesome if your had the AVGN theme guy behind the couch…
C) love the videos always have, always will
November 24, 2011 at 9:54 pm
its really just watered down warhammer, or just old edition warhammer with the inches replaced by haxagons
November 24, 2011 at 10:34 pm
nice thundercats cap James
November 24, 2011 at 10:41 pm
Save the mat and play Warhammer on it. 😛
November 24, 2011 at 10:58 pm
the premice sounds kinda like Warhammer… not Imperial, Chaos, Orcs and all that good shit. oh and don’t forget the art style pretty similar… is that linked to Warhammer whatsoever ?
November 25, 2011 at 12:56 am
Yeah it was made by games workshop just like hero quest was
November 24, 2011 at 11:00 pm
The lines at the beginnig were awesome:
James: “This is a man’s game! You wanna be a man, right?”
Mike: ” I don’t know, this seems kinda complicated.”
How long did it take you guys to do all the stuff in the video?
November 24, 2011 at 11:22 pm
i used to own this game when i was in elementary and didnt have any problem playing this game is what so easy but a pain in the ass setting it up . i remember the good guys always had better and stronger characters. when are you guys gonna do a video on Omega virus. that game was fun
November 24, 2011 at 11:40 pm
@OmarMadrigal Wow, I always mention Omega Virus whenever Board James come up. It would be awesome if James and Mike did an episode about it!
November 24, 2011 at 11:28 pm
You could use the game mat as a Slip ‘N Slide
November 24, 2011 at 11:42 pm
if you combined “Battle Masters” and “Weapons and Warriors”, you’d have a bad ass game! Another great video guys!
November 25, 2011 at 12:04 am
Damn we need more Kyle Justin u guys still friends?
November 25, 2011 at 12:58 am
This is one of my favorite games from when I was a kid. My brothers and I still play it from time to time. The cannon and ogre had more complex rules but most of the time the stuff that would result during their movements was fricken hilarious so we ALWAYS kept them in the game
November 25, 2011 at 1:14 am
And this is why video games were made; to help minimise the trouble of assembling stuff and storing stuff. But then again, it makes you miss doing all those stuff altogether.
November 25, 2011 at 2:31 am
Board James is my favorite James.
That board game is nuts!! You have to have a master’s degree to play that game!! Complicated.
hahaha!! you could wrap up an orangoutang!
Review some of the nerdier board games. Dominion, king of tokyo, werewolf, mag blast, munchkin, chaos in the old world, hero quest, guillotine, bang, red november, ticket to ride, agricola, puerto rico, blood bowl, space hulk. bring attentionn to these fun games that most of the public has never heard of.
This could be a good game, but i agree its waay to much:P
When you guys moved the couch, Kyle Justin should have been behind there.
Neil, I heard of most of these games… but I play board games at least once a weak with my buds. // James, great review as always! Unfortunately most of your games were never avaiable here – with one exception: Key to the kingdom which I own, named “Tarralans Traumland” here. This is German for “Tarralan’s Dream Land”. Yes, they changed the black piece’s name to “King Tarralan”…