Mike / April 12th, 2011
It’s Turtle Tuesday!
With James Rolfe and Mike Matei
April 12, 2011 at 1:12 am
I think it would be cool to make the next one like the comics. Maybe introduce Dimension X and Krang.
April 12, 2011 at 1:25 am
I’d like to see Donatello invent something cool to kill a transformed Baxter Stockman!
Awesome talk fellas. Thanks for sharing!
April 12, 2011 at 1:27 am
Krang did NOT exist in the comics! He was a character for the 80s cartoon.
March 30, 2014 at 8:12 am
But his alien race, the Utroms, did come from the comics. I know there’s a debate on whether Krang is an Utrom or not. In some series he is, in others he’s not, but I like the idea of him being an Utrom rather than just a disembodied brain. Also, wasn’t Krang later included in the comics because of his polularity? Maybe not the Mirage comics, but at least ones that were actually done by Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird?
April 24, 2015 at 12:43 pm
I had TMNT adventures #23, with I think had Krang as the head of Shredder(?) I’m not entirely sure what happened, but at the very least he was in there.
April 12, 2011 at 1:30 am
These videos are so nice! 🙂
When he finishes Batman, someone needs to get Chris Nolan interested in the Ninja Turtles, he’s the only person in the industry that could do a dark gritty Turtles movie justice
April 12, 2011 at 1:34 am
Completely agree with the Technodrome destroying everything with the live action option. Also found it disturbingly true about the April comment and the turtles having their ‘human’ side manifest in a severe love interest for her.
These random discussion videos with Mike and James have been really entertaining to watch. I know the animated turtles series is getting reviewed soon, but would love to see more of these on couch videos where it’s just people from Cinemassacre talking about upcoming things and its relation to their nostalgia growing up etc.
April 12, 2011 at 1:35 am
Well actually turtles have dicks…
April 12, 2011 at 1:45 am
Even though I’m in my early twenties and grew up with the 80s/90s cartoon series, aside from the theme song and the first season, it’s pretty abominable. I’m not clouded by nostolgia, like a lot of people are. I’m a grassroots comic book fan and would prefer any films to steer clear of the original cartoons’ influence, as the previous franchise did. April being a reporter’s fine, and the colored gear, but otherwise, stick to the comics.
The original film was pretty much pitch-perfect. Excellent performances from everybody, great effects and fighting that’s aged fairly well, and a real throughline seriousness. There’s not much in the first film that isn’t totally serious and the film was just excellent because of that. Easily still one of the best comic book film adaptations, flat-out.
Now, if more of the cartoon series elements were introduced, would I throw a fit? Nah. It’s just a movie. I would definitely like to see the more outlandish things from the comics done (Triceradons, Utroms [Krang, basically], space travel), but not in the vein of the cartoon series. If it could be done as seriously, great. But no Krang body, no Turtle vehicles, and no Technodrome. As much as I love the thing, the idea of this giant mobile weapons base (that’s a giant golf ball, really) that can be taken down by four turtles with Ninja weapons? Can it fit in the world of TMNT? Sure, I guess. But the idea that that thing would fail to immedately defeat the Turtles? Rediculous. More rediculous than a serious adaptation could be self-congruent with.
Honestly, they need to look to the first film. I can’t stress that enough. Mimic what worked and the new film will work.
April 12, 2011 at 1:55 am
Toitles do in fact have penises. They have like 5 minute orgasms too. Midway April could like go & get coffee then come back & just slide it back in there.
April 12, 2011 at 1:59 am
Also, because you asked for it: http://discharges.org/r/tmnt.swf
April 12, 2011 at 2:05 am
Check out this awesome CG Mutated version of Rocksteady ! Won first prize ! http://www.gameartisans.org/contests/competitions/5/preview_finals_1_3649.html
April 12, 2011 at 2:07 am
I believe I’ve found a picture of what the new Turtles are going to look like. http://twitpic.com/4jweeo
April 12, 2011 at 2:09 am
Christina Hendricks needs to play April O’Neil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 12, 2011 at 2:12 am
Normally, i think videos of people ranting about movies and shit are boring as hell, but somehow you make it work. Cheers!
(also, dreams are meant to be crushed)
April 12, 2011 at 2:14 am
Jeff Goldblum would be an incredible Vern!
It is nuts how much I enjoy watching Mike and James talk about things they love, I could do it all day.
April 12, 2011 at 2:21 am
Damn, you guys are setting up some huge expectations for the movie. Be prepared to be letdown though D:
April 12, 2011 at 2:36 am
Did you see the newest animated Turtles movie? (with the 80’s 00’s and the commic book turtles all in one movie?)
April 12, 2011 at 2:57 am
You guys seem like big fans of the eighties cartoon, and rightly so. Please do yourself a favor and watch the newest animated film. (Turtles Forever) Trust me man. it may seem gimmicky at first, but its a real blast. easily my favorite turtles movie in years.
If you have even the slightest love for the old cartoon you can’t let it go unwatched.
I kinda hope for a more gritty version of the Turtles, kinda like the image that Taylor Hoyt posted. Thats what I imagine for a more realistic Turtle than a cartoon look.
I think this should be a trilogy, so the first one with Shredder, Krang etc.
Then Eventually have some of the other bad guys we NEVER seen before like RatKing (my personal choice), Leatherhead & Baxtor Stockman.
April 12, 2011 at 3:16 am
I registered to mention the film “Dewdunk” said.
It’s animated and includes all versions of the turtles, from the gritty to the 80’s light hearted turtles to the current.
Definitely worth a watch.
April 12, 2011 at 3:32 am
I hope you going to do next “Turtle Tuesday” about “Turtles Forever”. I think this catroon is kinda dumb, because old-school turtles shown like total idiots compared to new-school. I want to see your opinion about it, that would be awesome.
April 12, 2011 at 4:14 am
an idea to bring Krang in to the new movie would be the fact that he was originally suppose to be an utrom. you can still have him the way he was (except for a much better android suit like they did in the 2002 series) and let the ship that brings him to earth become the technodrome. with bebop and Rocksteady, let them mutate from the animals themselves, their is no need for human contact like they did in the cartoon. have krang abduct the two animals, have them injected with mutagen-based brain worms (or something like that) have them fight the turtles and give them the message of impending doom from their master, and the doom would be the coming of the rock soldier army being created by Krang. finally the rock soldiers will be created from under the sea floor, and at the end, the technodrome will emerge from the water (after Bebop and Rocksteady are defeated). the rock soldiers will emerge from the ocean and the turtle have to fight them to get to the huge ship, their they would meet Krang. of course that could be the first hour of the film
April 12, 2011 at 4:35 am
james i love you and think your very creative, but your ideas for the recent TMNT and your thoughts for the future are way out of control and retarded…..
if you compared movies that went from cartoon to theatre. You can compare which ones made it and which didn’t and why.
The 1st tmnt movie made it cause they got away from the kiddie/cartoon
Just like transformers…….
GI Joe almost made it, but it was toooooo futuristic high tech.
Which brings me to another point……………”KRANG TECHNO DROME” you know in all actuality, that would kill the movie….. not for just for the new fan base but for the original fan base as well.
What the best idea for the next TMNT movie would be to copy the 1st EPISODE ever aired….
where shreder appears, and hes GODLY (like the 1st movie) because face it
most villians that do good are “GODLY” cause they diease that individual art/skill to become the best not just with in the community, the area, the state, the continent, or the world but OVER ALL, a god, they’re CRAZY in other words….. they’ll do wahtever it takes to be #1 over everything and everything in every single way no matter what the cost….
and the turtles, can’t fight cause they’re the typical family , brothers….
the turtles aren’t raised like normal, they’re raised as ninja…….. no school kids, ninja, not sports kids, NINJA, not SOLDIERS , NINJA!!!!
if you go back and do hella research on ninja theres so much that covers the idea of a NINJA.
The way they eat, live, think, move, every minutes, everyday, every second its not normal……. and thats just 1% of how a ninja is….
the reason why the turtle get along is cause they’re trained soldiers/assassins/fighters/scientist/philosphier…(oops)
they’re trained to belivee anything is possible, that nothing can stop them, to avoid failure, and move forward, to accept all that comes their way and be patient and work around it……………………… no matter what, they can not give in, they can not show weakness…..
for you to say “oh they need to fights cause they’re around each other 24/7 ” yes this is natural human reaction, but when it comes to hard training, to be a certain way, theres questionable doubt in there.
But i do agree that in part 1, one of the things i found most interesting about the movie was, you could tell who was older, and younger between the 4….
I belive ralph was the older then leo, then don, then michael…..
of course it could be leo, ralph, don mich or leo ralph mich don but from how goofy mich acts, hes the youngest, and since don is semi goofy but likes to keep busy he may be growing and the fact that leo is serious and a leader, he seems the oldest, but ralph seems to lash out quick and talk back to all even splinter……. which shows hes the oldest, and acting out………..but even in the movie they had decipline and respect for one another, and splinter….and splinter was a big part of the movie showing unity….as a mother,father, master, great warrior…
i hope you see this, and mabye re do another idea of the next TMNT anywho im out, !
April 12, 2011 at 5:41 am
How about calling it “The Green Knight” and then it’s all brutal, and cruel, and dark… green.
April 12, 2011 at 5:48 am
You should make your own TMNT film.
April 12, 2011 at 6:33 am
It’s fun to spin ideas like this. I definitely agree with Mike that it sould be an animated movie but with a serious tone. That could be awesome. Most awesome would be a series of movies.
When it comes to the content it’s easy to get carried away and want too much at the same time. If it was a series things could be spread out in a neat way and there could be an interesting, overarcing storyline (though that’s probably too ambitious).
You guys forgot the movie “Turtles Forever” from 2009? All the villians from the old tv series (even the Technodrome) where in that movie, together with the 2009 turtles!! And you want another movie with all that?
April 12, 2011 at 6:34 am
Im getting fucking tired of this reboot shit. Spidermans getting reboot, after a series that isnt even ten years old yet, and I read yesterday that after the Dark Knight Rises, Batman is getting ANOTHER reboot! What the fuck! If theyre gonna make a live action turtles movie, why dont we just ignore the rediculous ass second and third additions, and make a TRUE sequel.
April 12, 2011 at 6:40 am
I agree with everything you said.
April 12, 2011 at 6:43 am
But if there is one Turtle they are going to fuck up and almost kill it would probably be Raph because he is so wreckless. Thats why he got the shit kicked out of him in the first movie. He was to confident in his abilities.
April 12, 2011 at 6:46 am
live action krang would be pretty sweet. if michael bay makes it i wonder how many wacky jokes and armageddon/transformer jokes will be in it….sigh
April 12, 2011 at 6:49 am
Thank God Motherfucker Mike is not involved in professional movie making. He’s got the most fucked up ideas.
April 12, 2011 at 6:53 am
I’d love to see a GOOD live action turtles movie, but as the guys said, don’t just reboot. we don’t need another origin story rehash. I’d love to see it include the characters from the old cartoon but with a more comic book attitude and storyline. and though they didn’t like the idea, I’d love to see Casey Jones. It’s funny, I always pictured Bruce Campbell in the Casey role. The required characters though would have to include Bebop, Rocksteady and Krang.
April 12, 2011 at 7:03 am
It doesn’t matter to me whether it’s animated or not. It MUST be badass. It MUST be darker and more gritty. It has to be directed to an older audience, and it definitely needs a revenge plot.
There needs to be Shredder of course, and they MUST put in Krang, Bebop, and Rocksteady. I loved all those characters in my childhood, and I would LOVE to see a ‘revamped’ badass version of them.
The Technodrome wreaking havoc would kick ass.
Added sexual tension between Leo/Raph and April would be nice, because like you guys said, I don’t need more of Casey Jones, although he was a cool character, it’s just time to move on from that.
That about says everything, other than the fact that I would love a “Dimension X” tie-in with the Rock Soldiers. Especially the two leaders, though I forget their names. Get the gray guy with the long nose in there with a machine gun! Heck yeah!
(And Raph yelling “FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!” would just be epic) xD
April 12, 2011 at 7:13 am
funny video. i really liked the 1st movie…especially the depressed scenes in that old house were a very good idea. the only thing i didn’t like was the underground/criminal kids storyline. it was too lame, however the idea of showing teenagers as shredders soldiers was good. in a reboot i would like to see a battle between shredder and the turtles again. i think that characters like crank were over the top…radioactive rats and turtles in a big city, ok…but a bodybuilding wild hog and a rhino? come on…its like nuking a fridge in an indiana jones movie….they should keep it as “realistic” as possible. i’m totally with your casting choices 🙂
April 12, 2011 at 7:32 am
Love your guys opinion on how the movie should be. The last movie I seen Mike Star in was Black Dynamite. Check that out!!! Seems like he is always yelling at someone on the phone in all his movies.
Personally I enjoyed the original Graphic novels, but I loved the original TV series even more. Let’s face it, all turtles fans fell in love with the concept because of the show. They need to totally embrace that, and include all the main characters from that show. Baxter, Krang, Shredder, Bebop, and Rocksteady all need to be included for sure. The crew at the news station would be funny, but they aren’t totally necessary besides April.
I don’t care if it’s live action, or animated, but if it’s animated it needs to be traditional animation and not that CG crap.
April 12, 2011 at 7:49 am
You cats are the fuckin’ best…I’m envisioning everything that you’re saying and that’s more or less what most of us that grew up on this series wanna see….
April 12, 2011 at 8:14 am
Donatello stole the turtle blimp from Baxter Stockman
April 12, 2011 at 9:02 am
You guys are gonna talk about Turtles Forever, right?
April 12, 2011 at 9:06 am
I rate this video 9.95
April 12, 2011 at 9:16 am
You want to see a Dark Turtles Movie? Try watching the Episode “Same as it Never was” in the 2003 Tv Series, It not only has Splinter dying but all 3 Turtles Dying in Really brutal Way’s! With the exception of Don Barely surviving!
April 12, 2011 at 9:37 am
When Splinter was yelling NO in the six-minute mark, that’s pretty frightening!
April 12, 2011 at 9:42 am
Seeingas Ninja Turtles are now owned by Nickelodeon I doubt we will see a really dark Turtles movie. Plus while us older fans want to see one you also have to remember there still are younger fans too and they do not want to just ignore them. I would be happy with a Hard PG or PG-13 film for it. But they could do a decent mesh up of the comics and the cartoon. Like they can still have Bebop and Rocksteady be idiots. But they could be more ruthless. I wouldn’t mind seeing Krang either. But if you go by the real Shredder and the cartoon one. The real Shredder would never put up with Krangs shit and would probably kill Krang. I also doubt we will hear Raph say fuck. Maybe shit but not fuck.
I am one of the fans more of the comics then the 80’s cartoon. In fact I kind of have a love hate relationship with it. On one hand it did bring the TMNT into the spot light. But at the same time it destroyed what the Turtles really where about.
April 12, 2011 at 9:44 am
I also would like to add I wouldn’t mind it if the movie was like the new show. It was a good mix of the comics and the older cartoon. It was a darker series(well up to the stupid Turtles in the Future seasons) but still had quite a few lighter bits in it
April 12, 2011 at 10:01 am
I don’t know why everyone is insisting this needs to be a serious, dark, morbid movie “like the comics”. It should be a mix of fun and serious much like the first film. If they don’t occasionally shout exclamatory quips or crack some light-hearted jokes then what is the point?
Turtles Forever pretty much poked fun at a moving-image version of the comics because the style simply doesn’t work like it does on paper. How serious can you take a walking talking turtle anyways?
But in the end, it’s Michael Bay so that means it will be a WAY too over-the-top serious really hokey film. I wonder how many CG explosions and gunfights he will manage to fit in.
April 12, 2011 at 10:16 am
Like your ideas.
Altho as the reboot of Batman, the Turtles would be more dark. The smal guys that watched turtles in the 80’s are now old and “somewhat” more mature.
April 12, 2011 at 10:47 am
I have never seen such deep turtle talk between 2 grown men hahhhaha
I couldn’t help but say, out loud to my monitor “Cowa-fuckin’-piece-of-dog-shit.” After you said “Cowabunga” at the end. In my mind, you(specifically YOU, Mr. James Rolfe) can’t say “Cowabunga” and not follow it with “Cowa-fuckin’-piece-of-dog-shit.” It sounds incomplete.
April 12, 2011 at 10:51 am
What a great Turtle-Tuesday! I would like to see a big story in 3 volumes. Not 3 different stories like Spiderman, but more like LOTR!
A little intro, and the rise of the technodrome in vol 1.
Preparing for the fight and problems within the team plus the arrival of the rock army. Also some tragic event in vol 2.
And finally the kicking ass in vol 3.
I know it should be more balanced, not like Kill Bill where vol 1 was action and vol 2 was mostly backstory. So I would prefer to have little fights vs the foot clan or the mutants in the first 2 movies.
I really liked this review, awesome ideas. It made me wanna rewatch the whole series.
Keep the good work guys!
I agree with damn near everything. It needs to follow the old cartoon better and yet still be more “adult”. Rebooting would be stupid.
April 12, 2011 at 11:03 am
I actually just watched the first Turtles movie again for the first time in YEARS! And i still really enjoyed it. The second was ok, the 3rd…:-|. But the first live action was really great. One thing i definitely never noticed as a kid was all the sexual innuendo between Casey Jones and April. Kinda funny looking back at a kids movie. But i’m with James, a Live action would be AWESOME but with a much darker tone.
Unfortunately Mike Starr is dead. It happened last month from an overdose. How bout Wayne Knight, “Newman” instead.
April 12, 2011 at 11:22 am
You also have to look at it financially too because they’re going to want to reach the more children of this age, not just old fan boys (no offense) especially since nickelodeon is on board. My kids love ninja turtles, even all the CGI movie. However, we don’t need another CGI movie, live action would rock!
April 12, 2011 at 11:23 am
lol @ when took the first sip of water XD
April 12, 2011 at 11:32 am
You need to do a review of Cloak & Dagger (1984) ! 🙂
April 12, 2011 at 11:39 am
Mike Starr is not dead. That was a different Mike Starr, the one that died was a singer.
April 12, 2011 at 11:43 am
Have you guys seen the Fan-made clip “Fight the foot”?? IMO is really good considering the fact that is made by the fans.
April 12, 2011 at 12:05 pm
See, the only problem with the movie concept is that produces bank on children being gullible enough to watch whatever TMNT stuff comes out, whether it’s awesome and put together well, or as bad as the music video. If they made this movie, would they have a guarantee that all the adults that loved this stuff as a kid come out and watch it? You can only trick so many adults, but you can always fool a kid.
And that is why awesome stuff is never made into a movie. Screw Hollywood and it’s compulsive need to make a buck(no really)
April 12, 2011 at 12:16 pm
@ cancerfish he isn’t dead .did you mean the musician mike starr . he is dead but the actor is alive and well
Now first and foremost, I’d like to know from you James and Mike. Have you seen Turtles Forever?
Because It’s pretty much is the old and new cartoon series with better animation.
April 12, 2011 at 12:24 pm
I feel that a Life action CGI movie this is gonna be.
April 12, 2011 at 12:43 pm
They didn’t seem to hate the 2007 movie so..I just put that on my netflix queue. I have always had a soft spot in my heart for the ninja turtles. I was born in 1987 so I don’t know if I saw the whole series on TV, but it was one of my favorite shows as a kid. I still have my Turtles Blimp. It’s missing the bombs, but I still have the rest of it.
April 12, 2011 at 1:02 pm
What about characters like Baxter Stockman as April was his former lab assistant before coming to TV news. Personally I think the video games especially the second generation ones did a great job of sticking to the original cartoons so lets base the movie off of them or at least follow that formula. Live action or animation either will work.
April 12, 2011 at 1:09 pm
and FYI, I’ve seen turtles having sex. It was very strange, to say the least.
April 12, 2011 at 1:15 pm
I agree with everything they are saying here, but I would take it one step further and if we are going to include the Technodrome, then we should have Bebop and Rocksteady in the movie…however, that would probably have to be an animated film because I doubt the costumes for Bebop and Rocksteady, a Rhino and Pig, would look very realistic. Obviously, it isn’t realistic at all, but it wouldn’t look decent unless they were CGI. I can’t wait for this film though. Opening weekend, first in line, you will see me.
April 12, 2011 at 1:18 pm
you guys are very correct. here’s my addition. they should put it pg-13. normal I can tell a movie is going to be bad if it has this rating (mostly horror films), but this would work because then it can be geared towards the adults who watched the cartoon, but also reach out to early teenagers who probably watched the new show when they were younger. best part, no parents who could get offended would have to watch it with their kid, such as in the case of an R rating and it could stay adult enough to reach the most likely audience to see this. up the swearing a little (say “fuck” as much as the original said “damn.” 3 times) and have no obligatory gore. just some minor gore, normal fighting wear and tear.
April 12, 2011 at 1:21 pm
I like these “talk abouts” with MF Mike as much as I like AVGN. Keep it up!
April 12, 2011 at 1:29 pm
Totally agree with everything you guys said.
April 12, 2011 at 1:36 pm
I really enjoyed watching this. Nice thoughts and ideas guys
April 12, 2011 at 1:37 pm
That was incredible!! Can you guys please direct the new movie instead? lol
All of the ideas you guys were talking about would be fantastic and would make so many people happy.
PS, I loved TMNT but I was the only person over 8 who was in the theater ahah.
April 12, 2011 at 1:38 pm
So I like most of the ideas James and Mike have, but I absolutely and categorically disagree with excluding Casey Jones from the new movie. If you want entertaining, high-action fight scenes (and it seems that James and Mike do), then Casey Jones is a MUST; the first live-action movie was proof enough of that.
Casey was (and still is) my absolute favorite character, and I would be beyond pissed if he wasn’t included, especially if the new movie ends up being a reboot.
[/Casey fangirl moment]
Also, while I must say the idea of the turtles being more mature (both in the cursing and in the graphic nature of the violence) is an awesome concept, it’s more than likely not going to happen. There’s no way the studios are going to slap a PG-13 rating on it and shut out the kid demographic.
If Alien and Predator couldn’t get an R rated versus movie, then I don’t expect a new Turtles film to get anything higher than PG. Sad, but true.
April 12, 2011 at 1:42 pm
I don’t know why, but this reminded me of the movie Big when Tom Hanks is trying to get his point across in the meeting..
Well, couldn’t it be like a robot that turns into something like a bug
or something? A bug? Yeah! Like a big prehistoric insect with maybe like giant claws that..could pick up a car and crush it like that! A prehistoric transformer? Interesting. So the robot turns into a bug.
Y’know that scene? 😀
April 12, 2011 at 1:57 pm
April 12, 2011 at 2:16 pm
i kind of like to know how they get their money for all that pizza they eat
April 12, 2011 at 2:20 pm
You should really check out the comics. The most recent series (Volume 4, most issues are still available from Mirage at http://miragelicensing.com/paypal/mirage04.html) has a lot of what it sounds like you guys want. Since it’s based on the comic continuity, it doesn’t have Bebop, Rocksteady, or Krang, but it’s a continuation of the story that started in the 1980s and is aimed at an adult audience. So the Turtles are all in their 30s, their lives are all in weird places, Splinter dies, some fucked up things happen to a number of the characters, they’ll swear, and it’s generally just really interesting and dramatic science-fiction with the TMNT.
April 12, 2011 at 2:22 pm
My thought is-as long as they’re going the “reboot” route, they may as well try making it more faithful to the 80s cartoon with just a bit of an update to it, obviously making it a bit more serious. I’m not sure if they’d risk a PG-13 rating though although they’d at least be able to get one non-sexual use of the word “fucK” out of that. lol
I don’t think adding Krang would work for a continuation since they already established a sort of universe where that sort of thing might not entirely make sense or would at least feel slightly out-of-place.
April 12, 2011 at 2:23 pm
They should check out the TMNT 2003 cartoon series too. TO me, it’s more bad ass!
April 12, 2011 at 2:29 pm
I’ve always wanted to see Krang, Bebop & Rocksteady in a TMNT movie–it’d also be cool if Shredder went lone wolf and fought the Turtles AND Krang.
April 12, 2011 at 2:30 pm
They need to make it live action and definitely make it based more off of the comics and/or the 2003-2009 cartoon. While I too loved the 1987-1989 cartoon, it was NOTHING like the comics. The newer 2003-2009 cartoon was more accurate. I also have to disagree with including the Technodrome or anything from the 80s cartoon. Watch it again and the only thing that will hold it up is your nostalgia. It’s actually not a very good cartoon. It’s way to cheesy and adds things that were never in the comics. Make it more geared towards teens and adults by having a PG-13 rating and having dark overtones to it, much like the original movie, and it will be a good movie.
April 12, 2011 at 2:35 pm
Hey everybody. Yes, Mike and I have seen Turtles Forever. It was aired in 3 parts, but I guess everyone seems to be saying that technically adds up to a “feature”? What I’m talking about is the idea of a live action, theatrical movie, and something that exists in its own universe.
Speaking of Turtles Forever, it gets mentioned in the cartoon reviews coming up.
August 7, 2014 at 7:53 pm
I don’t know, James. The Turtles look gross in this version, like they’re turtlr-human hybrids. (shudders)
April 12, 2011 at 2:41 pm
Bebop and Rocksteady should be portrayed like the villains in fifth element with a bit more intelligence and more lethality and given a one time throwback comic relief which is NOT overdone…in other words, how they were portrayed in Turtles 2 for NES would be best.
No mention of the foot soldiers I noticed. Possibly next week. But either way they should be clones or robots (would give back story to the technodrome) because if they are portrayed as possibly being kids again, and the turtles are killing kids, that is a little bit sick.
April 12, 2011 at 2:42 pm
I would totally love to see a new live action turtles, and while I’d love nostalgia from the 80’s cartoon, it would also be cool to see some stuff from the newer one too, like Utrom Shredder, cyborg Baxter Stockman, the Purple Dragon gang…actually that could make things kind of crowded, but if this becomes a SERIES, I’d love to see Baxter Stockman and the Pruple Dragons in a sequal, OH! Or maybe you start with Baxter and the Purple Dragons, then the Shredder reveals that he was pulling the strings behind them the whole time, in the second movie it’s all about Shredder (that’s where he can kill Splinter) and if it was Jet Lee vs Jackie Chan that would be AWESOME, but at the end it’s revealed that even he was having his strings pulled, and the THIRD movie would be about Krang and the invasion from Dimension X leading to an epic, action packed conclusion that could include surprise allies like Leatherface and the Fugitoid, there’s an epic trilogy right there!
April 12, 2011 at 2:44 pm
This was great. I agree with a lot of this, I’m not sure if you guys have seen the 2003 TMNT cartoon but it’s such an awesome combination between the comics and tributes from the 80s cartoon, and introduced a new and darker version. I feel like having a movie along those lines would also be great, while not catering to one aspect solely.
April 12, 2011 at 2:45 pm
Although it would be a good setup for a sequel…Part 1 the technodrome is a cloning tank that can crush a city, then is destroyed….Part 2 they kidnap kids for foot soldiers?? could happen
April 12, 2011 at 3:04 pm
I think the 2007 movie was awsome. Sure it didn’t went with the usual enemies of the turtles, but who cares. it was mostly directed on the turtles and what have they gone thru for some years of basically not doing anything.
I love the fight between Raphael and Leonardo. Showing finally that Ralph is much stronger than Leo, even tough it’s thru fury. But still being named the sameway as the Red Menace, I loved that fight and the winner! XD
Now your theories are all great. Yes I would love to see Krang and the technodrome in the movie, not much of the side characters like the reporter crew, because like TF’s they sidetrack alot with the “human” characters and not much with the TF’s which is what we all went to see.
I do believe in the death of Splinter (as horrible as that sounds) by Shredder. The final blow should be witnessed by all four tutrles. The must be showned also a little of balance but most importantly to remove the fact theyr TEENAGER’S!!!!
I think they’re old enough not to be consider teeneagers, it was cool in the 80’s coz we all connected with them being at that age, but now they should be: “Adults!” starting manhood whatever you could call it.
I know the name TMNT is a great logo, but now should just be Ninja Turtles.
The recent cartoons of the 2000’s was great at least on the beginning. It was awsome just like the first eps of the 80’s more fights, personnalities and well great kickass fights. Also they should use more ninjitsu.
April 12, 2011 at 3:18 pm
Zooey Deschanel as Irma. As far as the new movie goes, I would have liked to see a legit cell-animated version in the 80s, as a kid, but now, after seeing the original TMNT movie–which I can, to this day, watch and enjoy thoroughly (“ninja kick the damn rabbit!”)–, I would now prefer live action.
I’m okay with an origin story, as long as it’s kept under 5 minutes, because, if the producers are going to try and go for a legit series of films, I think it’s important for those not keen on the Turtles’ story.
Make it more geared towards the 27 – 33 age range. Yes! Use “FUCK!” I mean, c’mon…”shit” was used in Transformers the Movie.
Have all the characters we know and love from the early incarnation of the cartoon series. I also like James’ idea of having, since they *are* teens, the Turtles lazing too much, and having to get their rears in-gear. Have Splinter or some other central character die as part of the climax, setting up part 2 as a kick-ass revenge story. Let there be violence. After movie 1, they never used their weapons! Maybe they drew them once or twice, but the Turtles never used the weapons…dammit!
I never saw the ’07 version, but I WILL go see the latest live-action film. I hope they don’t fuck it up.
April 12, 2011 at 3:23 pm
Really agree with a lot of the stuff you guys said. I defiantly Agree that Casey should be taken out by Rocksteady and Bebop. In my opinion they’re cool characters and I’m sick of Casey Jones. As for the technodrome going ape shit on a city, it sounds bad ass. I do have to say that the TMNT t shirts and glasses are kinda cool for TMNT Tuesdays.
April 12, 2011 at 3:50 pm
Guys, that was the saddest COWABUNGA! I’ve ever heard. Great video though. I agree with Krang, Rocksteady and Bepop making an appeareance. Cheers from Costa Rica.
April 12, 2011 at 4:19 pm
Jameees! You see, this was the right moment to say “Cowabunga!” in a real-life situation! You did it! 😀
April 12, 2011 at 4:27 pm
Really like the ideas about the Technodrome destroying a major city. If they focus on that, I think Bebop and Rocksteady might be hard to develop properly, since Krag will need a back story and all that.
Although I’d prefer live action to anything, I think they’d fuck it up if they tried it. Most of the effects would probably be awful CGI, so I’d rather have high quality animation.
April 12, 2011 at 4:45 pm
Saying “Fuck” doesn’t have the shock value that I think it used to. But I would be shocked if after chasing some bad guys, and the bad guys getting away Raph just screams “CUUUUNNNTT”. Like he isn’t calling anyone a cunt, he’s just screaming it because he’s pissed. That would shock me pretty good.
April 12, 2011 at 4:50 pm
Nice vid – I liked just about all of your ideas – hopefully someone who can actually make some of this happen will listen. I didn’t watch the original cartoon too much…I was a bit older when it came out (I’m more of a Thundercats nerd, lol)…and I have only seen the original theatrical movie. The concept of a new direction instead of another shit-hash is a great idea for sure.
And I’m pretty sure that turtles have penises…they are reptiles after all. The real question is though – where are their balls? 🙂
If Michale Bay is directing this I can just imagine him watching this and writing the script at the same time!
April 12, 2011 at 5:09 pm
Micheal fucking Bay is gonna ruin this movie just like he did Transformers. I expect to see a BIG fucking Chevrolet emblem right smack in the fucking middle of the fucking Techno Drome or whatever the fuck it’s called.
April 12, 2011 at 5:19 pm
I honestly disagree with almost all of what you guys would like to see in the movie. I would like to see a proper adaption of the comics. You guys also have not considered there has been another generation that has grown up with the 2003 series which imo is much, much better than the original series. The original was good for its time and what it was but seriously I do not want any part of that. The original cartoon especially the later seasons is very difficult to watch.
It has been said before the direction that they wanted to take with the TMNT reboot is the first 11 issues of the Eastman & Laird comics. Also they would have cg faces put over the live action suits.
You guys should watch the 2k3 series, I recently watched the entire dvd run of the original toon and am 3/4 done watching through the 2k3 series. It is a great TMNT show, if Viacom can make their show as good or better I’d be seriously impressed. Also please check out more of the original comics. I’d suggest 1-11 plus the 4 micro series single turtle issues, 19-21and 50-61 from Vol 1. IDW is going to be reprinting the comics starting this summer 1-11 (August I believe). There are other books but those would give you a good idea of the Eastman & Laird books.
April 12, 2011 at 5:22 pm
don should invent the Turtledrome to battle the technodrome
April 12, 2011 at 5:35 pm
The thing was, Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird hated the 80’s cartoon and the characters and elements it introduced. It’s one of the reasons the 1987 turtles characterizations were oversimplified and dumbed down in Turtles Forever (also may have contributed to the original voice actors not returning). However, they no longer have any creative control over the franchise, so some continuation of the 80’s series is a possibility now.
April 12, 2011 at 5:36 pm
you guys have any plans on review for that big crossover episode with the 2003 turtles the 1980s turtles and the comic turtles becuse i only really know about the 2003 tmnt becuse i used wacth it all time when i was younger
I almost fully agree with you guys. Your ideas are truly what every fanboy and non-fanboy should have. The only thing I think that would make it better is if they had a smaller story about revenge in the first (reboot) of the turtles movies. The second one should involve the Techno-drome coming through dimension-X and fucking up Manhattan. As always I love when you guys work together and I hope you continue brightening all our lives with what you do. Hell, its why I pay you and buy your merchandise lol. Forever your fan and friend…. well this guy. 🙂
April 12, 2011 at 5:41 pm
just last month nickelodeon released a 20 second teaser for a full cgi ninja turtles series they are doing that is going to be released in 2012
April 12, 2011 at 5:43 pm
Hm…………….. Good point Mike and James.
April 12, 2011 at 5:46 pm
One thing that the TMNT has never dealt with is the long lifespan of a turtle. The record lifespan is 188 years, and you’d think a mutant turtle could live even longer.
April 12, 2011 at 6:18 pm
The original movie is based more on the comics with some tidbits from the TV show thrown in (colored bandanas) so kids had something to connect with and it didnt seem as foreign.
I would MUCH rather them do a film based solely on the comic books. All red bandanas. Actually using their weapons. But now that Viacom owns TMNT outright and since Peter Laird / Mirage has given up all of his creative control of the series, I doubt that will ever happen.
April 12, 2011 at 6:22 pm
I’m not sure if I want to see Krang specifically but I do want to see some Utroms (an alien race from the comics that Krang was based on) The Technodrome in live action would be awesome and so would Bebop and Rocksteady.
I would laugh my ass off if Raph said Fuck
April 12, 2011 at 6:23 pm
This all didn’t “spring” from the cartoon anyway. The comic is the original and had a print run of 25 years.
April 12, 2011 at 6:30 pm
i agree with your ideas
April 12, 2011 at 6:32 pm
The closest thing to a perfect animated Turtles movie, was probably “Forever Turtles” I freaking loved that movie, every turtle fan go watch it, its amazing.
April 12, 2011 at 6:47 pm
Hey guys, if you didn’t plan it already, you should do a review of the TMNT: Forever movie. You know, the crossover of the ’80s and ’00s series. And then they threw in the original comic characters at the end. I loved that movie, and the only single thing I didn’t like about it, was that the Comic-Era Shredder only made a cameo, instead of doing something. Other that that, it’s awesome. I’d love to see you review it!
April 12, 2011 at 6:54 pm
I agree to, but lets face it guys, the only reason to do this movie is to “introduce” the t.m.n.t to a new generation and for us, all the nostalgic fans, it will be kind of good, but not enough to do the turtles say fuck and stuff! D:
April 12, 2011 at 7:31 pm
Jeff Goldbloom as Vernon… oh man hell yes.
April 12, 2011 at 7:34 pm
id very much like to see a live-action sequel to the original 1990 movie. have the Shredder be alive and joining forces with Krang. see Bepop and Rocksteady on the big screen. see Donatello make the official Turtle Van.
if not that, then it would be cool to see a higher production animated version that features all the original voice actors from the 80’s tv series.
if neither of those..then i just wont have any interest in seeing the Turtles franchise continue on the big screen. instead id just want the original cartoon series on bluray.
April 12, 2011 at 7:37 pm
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April 12, 2011 at 7:38 pm
I like all of these ideas but one thing I think there should be is a scene involving Raphael and Splinter (before he is murdered) similar to the original movie where Splinter lectures Raphael about his anger, for myself it was always a very emotional scene and really helped to establish the rage felt by Raphael throughout the rest of the movie.
April 12, 2011 at 7:42 pm
I didn’t know a new turtles movie was coming out until i saw you guys. Thanks! By the way, I think the turtle van should also be in the new movie
April 12, 2011 at 8:00 pm
Hopefully James will someday be a film director and put great ideas on the big screen.
About the death of splinter, I think it is a bit too much, something like recovering his human form could be more interresting.
April 12, 2011 at 8:07 pm
Definitely need Slash, Leatherhead, and Baxter Stockman (as a Fly Guy)
I’d personally like to see some of those nostalgic characters from the first NES tmnt video game. For example a random guys with chainsaws and frogs.
April 12, 2011 at 8:24 pm
Yeah, one of the turtles should swear.
I remember seeing the Transformers movie, and Bumble Bee said sh!t,