Mike Matei / July 19th, 2008
Bat-a-thon Part 2
April 10, 2010 at 12:55 pm
Not much to say about this, but I believe that each of those movies represent a different style that could work for any particular audience whether it’s for the kids or for the adults. The first film has something for both, the second is mostly for adults, and three and four is mostly for kids. Yeah three and four may have been criticized the most, but I like it for its own style!
However, I can explain to you why Batman Forever was a big hit. Two words: JIM CARREY! I’m just saying that not just because he’s my biggest idol, but because he’s still one of the biggest box office stars of all time whether he does comedies or dramas. Like you said, he plays the primary villain of the movie, which makes me wonder why wasn’t he top billed instead of Tommy Lee Jones?
Whenever he’s on screen, he’s irresistible to watch! He’s both out-of-control funny and highly entertaining! Believe me, watch some of his movies again and you’ll see why millions of his fans including myself consider him a comedy icon!
April 12, 2010 at 4:16 am
You should`nt complain on Tim Burtons Batman movies, if you think about it it is Tim Burton who created the dark-side of Batman, which is acutally the way Batman suppose to be :O
So you just have to Thank him 🙂
April 20, 2010 at 10:55 pm
Batman Forever is terrible. I could shake a box of Batman toys, film it and that would make a better movie.
April 27, 2010 at 12:06 pm
In the first Batman with Jack as the Joker…..The reason he didnt die when Batman shot at him is because he had his lucky deck of cards on him;-)
March 27, 2014 at 12:41 pm
i watched batman (1989) endless times,stil to this day,batman doesn’t shoot jack,jack shoots at batman and the bullet ricochets from his armour back in jack’s face,the rest is history
May 23, 2010 at 2:45 pm
For me, some of those “rubber suits” looked more plastic like. So stiff, the actor had to bend his whole back to look up. I think the suit was a plastic mold to make batman look more buffer.
June 23, 2010 at 3:06 am
Don’t forget when he bombed Axis Chemicals while a bunch of guys were shooting up the Batmobile. He killed the shit outta them.
July 3, 2010 at 2:47 pm
Shoot me, but I don’t really like the Burton-movies. I can’t put my finger on it, I think they are just not realistic enough for my taste.
I also didn’t like the cast, but not because they’re bad (Michael Keaton is great and Jack Nicholson is awesome), but in my opinion, they just don’t look like the characters from the comics. When I think of Bruce Wayne, I think of a tall, muscular man with a rectangular face and not someone who looks like an investment banker.
As for Jack Nicholson, well, in my opinion he’s just too old for the character. Maybe I’m stuck to The Killing Joke with that, but for me, the Joker is a young everyday normal guy who has a really bad day and goes crazy about it. Not a criminal psychopath who just dropped into a pool of acid.
Bottom line: Jack Nicholson was great, but I think they missed the character. And that’s why I personally prefer Ledger by far.
March 20, 2014 at 12:16 am
He was the red hood 1st then became the joker when batman knocked him into acid.
March 27, 2014 at 12:47 pm
that’s why it’s called fantasy.you don’t have to like it but come on,the ones by nolan were more unrealistic to me because there was no fantasy at all(it’s fucking batman!the comics aren’t realistic either)i did like the dark knight rises,rediculous,but bane was awesome.
July 4, 2010 at 12:29 pm
I liked Batman Forever, I prefered it to Batman Returns but not Batman.
Also, I like Jim Carrey as the Riddler, even if it is just Jim Carrey being himself.
July 20, 2010 at 10:21 am
ive had returns for lyk 10 yrs on VHS and i love it prolly my fav 1 of the 90’s…….and Michelle is lyk extremely sexy as Catwoman
August 13, 2010 at 2:01 pm
Just gotta say I loved the review and I know you weren’t doing the Animated series but one Batman you should have mentioned is ‘Batman: Mask of the Phantasm’ but loved ‘Cinemassacre’s Bat-A-Thon’
August 23, 2010 at 7:54 pm
Batman is really cool Tim Burton did a good job so did Keton him or Adam west were the best to hard to tell.
October 10, 2010 at 10:03 pm
Batman Forever could have been better if so many scenes hadn’t been deleted. I have the novelization, and it is much more interesting than the movie. I also found a deleted scene, although it has been slightly altered by the person who posted it up.
December 4, 2010 at 8:53 pm
Sorry James, but I don’t think Joker makes the connection that Bruce is Batman.
December 12, 2010 at 5:06 am
They did make the Happy Meals Toys to Batman Returns (I own some). The nose scene did freak me out as a kid though and the whole Penguin backstory was depressing as F&#$
December 13, 2010 at 5:22 am
I love the first Batman. The film isn’t meant to be set in reality (like for instance the first two Spider-Man or Iron Man films) and really feels like a comic book shot up onto the screen. The score is pretty much unbeatable.
I don’t mind Batman returns, but there’s something about it that just isn’t as enjoyable as the other Batman movies. The bit where Christopher Walken pushes Michelle Pfiefer out the window scared the hell out of me when I was a kid, I remember I just stopped the tape after she trashed her apartment because it freaked me right out.
I don’t even consider Batman Forever as a sequel to the first two, it’s just so different visually, and in tone. I don’t think it’s terrible, but as a Batman film it didn’t quite meet my expectations. The worst part in my opinion were the exchanges between Nicole Kidman and Val Kilmer; just pretty lazy scriptwriting right there.
January 5, 2011 at 4:44 pm
I like batman forever alot
February 26, 2011 at 4:55 pm
sam raimi was originally planned to direct batman forever. that would have been awesome. sam and batman together.
March 22, 2011 at 1:38 pm
I disagree with James Rolfe’s review. As much he is a great director and I love his AVGN videos. I don’t understand why most people are drinking the “Batman ’89” koo laid”. There were many flaws in the movie that I disliked.
One was the love triangle between Batman and The Joker with Vicki Vale. It totally dragged the movie, I felt at times I was watching Batman the soph opera! The part when Bruce Wayne and Vicki Vale are eating dinner together…the dialogue is just droning..I wanted to fall asleep in certain moments…on a batman movie?! C’mon! What’s the deal with the Joker all of a sudden gets infatuated with the girl. According to what I’ve read the Joker doesn’t know how to love last time I checked…so why did the writers consider to have the Joker fall in love?…oh that’s right I forgot, its Hollywood (blowing my brains out)
Another big thing I disliked about the movie is how Batman moved. It seems that Batman is constrained with the outfit he wears. It’s like he has to turn his whole body just to look behind him! The fighting scenes were God awful too…I mean James, your talking about Batman Begins had bad editing on the fights? Please take another look at the fighting scenes on Batman and tell me that’s good editing…I’ve seen better fight scenes on the Karate Kid and Rocky! (Notice I mentioned movies within this time frame when Batman came out)
One more thing I want to point out though is that…THE JOKER DID NOT KILL HIS PARENTS! That was one BIG flaw about this movie. They wanted to make Batman a revenge story…Revenge?! This is not who Batman is! For the record Joe Chill killed his parents….not the Joker.
There are many other flaws about the movie that I would love to discuss…I just can’t name em all. However I do agree that the Danny Elfman batman theme is great. I thought the Joker did a solid performance. In fact I enjoyed watching the Joker then Batman. Jack Nicholson is just good what he does! I loved the sets that surrounded Gotham. In fact I wish Christopher Nolan adopted that type of setting but it would be too nostalgic I know…
I would “hate” this movie according to Netflix review but since I did like the music, I did like the joker, and the sets, I’m going to give it “didn’t like” this movie.
Those of you who do agree with my stance…check out this video link about the opposite view of Batman. He’s a little harsh in some areas but he does make sense!
March 18, 2012 at 6:56 pm
i watched Burton’s films couple of years ago and it’s true, they wasn’t as special as they were back in the day. But there are plenty of things that are actually merged on a particular culture, and the early 90’s was quite one of a kind, and these 2 Batman films were quite up to it. The “Batman Soph Opera” (it was “Soap Opera” what you meant, right?) in a way wants to show how hard is for Wayne to explain about what he does, and at the same time is put in the same frame Joker is: after all, they’re both lunatics with different aims and in flashy costumes, reduced to an ordinary yet curious look on Vicky Vale’s character.
Nevertheless, you cannot judge a movie for its faithfulness to the comic book (*Everyone* knows the Joker didn’t kill Wayne’s parents, and for the ones who didn’t they can always catch up the comic, as i did when i first saw these movies, because it was SO magnetic back then).So then, Batman begins is plain BAD because Ra’s al Ghul wasn’t the one teaching Wayne about being the Caped Crusader? Give me a break, please.
The music and the gothic feeling, the sense of ambience and the costumes were determinant back then. In fact, these were the films that re-imagined Batman after “The Campy Incident” of the series.
It’s easy to pick on old cliches so many year later, right…?
And about Batman Motivations on the 60’s and the concept on revenge of those films, tell me please: what was closer to the actual comic character? Retorical question; no need to answer.
I name the orchestration again, the first Batmovile design (so fucking badass; anyone who’d say they didn’t want one would be pretty much fat-lying), that golden Batsymbol. Everything was just right. And every Batman fan knows, atmosphere makes almost 80% of Batman’s spirit. Period.
If i had to put things off perspective i’d also say Heath Ledger was way much better than Nicholson’s performance. But that would be disrespectful since it’s OBVIOUS TO ANYONE that without Jack there’d be no Heath.
I didn’t like it, but i respect it, as i do respect Michael Keaton, which unfortunatedly was never given proper credit for his performance skills.
May 31, 2011 at 11:34 am
haha in New Zealand they actually made happy meal toys for batman returns.
July 15, 2011 at 1:49 pm
so many Bat-memories
i remember asking my dad how much would a bat-mobile cost. and he said about 30,000 dollars. so i started saving my money up to buy one when i could drive haha. imagine that fantasy living out. driving to highschool in the bat-mobile. id get knifed
my room was covered in anything Batman related. id tape up different paths leading to my bed or closet pretending it was the Bat-Cave, and if u stepped out of the lines, you’d fall to your death haha
October 21, 2011 at 5:58 am
Wait… the batass was in Batman & Robin… not Batman Forever… right?
January 22, 2012 at 9:38 am
It’s in both
December 18, 2011 at 2:14 pm
The Joel Schumacher films were the beginning of the end in my opinion. It wasn’t until Batman Begins that I was excited about Batman movies again. Good thing I had the cartoon to hold me over until then.
April 12, 2012 at 2:15 pm
I saw Batman(1989 version) when I was like 4 years old because my parents thought it was one of the cartoon movies. It was scary as hell but I enyojed it too!
July 6, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Love the danny elfman’s theme and was reprised in the animated series.
August 30, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Batman and Batman Returns were great films, that I still watch when ever i get the chance..Batman forever on the other hand, is a piece of campy garbage a lot like the old Adam West show.the only good things about Batman Forever was Michael Gough as Alfred and Jim Carry as The Riddler…other then it’s crap. Tim Burton was the man and Schumacher was a idiot that almost killed the Batman movie franchise.
March 3, 2013 at 4:06 pm
Great review as always James, but i have to correct you on one part.. there actually was a line of MCdonalds toys fro Batman Returns.. i got the Penguin toy with him in a his rubber Ducky vehicle… i think i got the batmobile toy too… i don’t still have them anymore as proof cause i was really young at the time, but i distinctly remember getting them, back when i was dumb enough to eat the unhealthy foods of Mcdonalds… Also i was say that the first 2 Batman films with Michael Keaton were really good and i still like watching Batman Returns once in a while..
June 25, 2013 at 6:06 pm
Christian Bale had auditioned for the role of Robin, ironically in the next few years, he went on to star as Bruce Wayne/Batman in The Dark Knight.
September 30, 2013 at 8:52 am
I have to say I really didn’t like the Tim Burton movies but they did have several very important contributions; the shots of Gotham city are iconic, and creating a sense of style that I’m also disappointed to see lacking in the nolan trilogy (which are otherwise great movies). The other big bonus of the burton films for me was Danny Elfman’s music; absolutely classic. Both of these continue into the original animated series which is one of my favourite adaptions of the character, and certainly the best animated one.
Otherwise the Burton movies were… I dunno, they just didn’t quite strike the right balance for me; they should have been either dark with some light relief, or campy, but instead they kind of try to straddle in between and fail miserably. I didn’t like Keaton as either Batman or Bruce Wayne as he just seems too nice to be Batman, and too boring as Bruce Wayne. The duality works best when both are extreme characters; Batman fighting crime and Bruce Wayne as a savvy business owner and philanthropist, or as a playboy, but Keaton’s rendition is just too watered down in both roles.
I likewise didn’t like the Joker, as the make-up for the face is truly terrible, and shoe-horning him into Batman’s origin story was unnecessary as Batman is the origin of the Joker, not the other way around. Penguin likewise was a very uninspiring character, too much on the silly side with no real hook to make him work. Catwoman in the series was amusing and dark, but again the whole thing has this lurching balancing act between camp foolishness and dark that just doesn’t work. The films are best when they’re being dark, but even then their main contributions are their style and not much else.
December 30, 2013 at 11:06 pm
A part from BF that really got my attention back then is when batman jumps from like a million feets to land right in the batmovil seat without breaking his ass or completely destroing the car hahaha EPIC but all in all that movie is a piece of shit, mainly because of the villans. simply put, they all try to be the joker.
January 17, 2014 at 11:12 am
I love Batman Returns. To me it’s one of the best Batman movies.
October 14, 2014 at 11:10 am
October 30, 2014 at 11:31 am
in the Tim Burton movie batman and the joker confronted each other 4 times not 3 well ….. technically in the flash back he confronted batman as jack Napier.
so there are:jack Napier vs Bruce Wayne, batman vs jack Napier, the joker vs Bruce Wayne, and then finally batman vs the joker.
January 19, 2015 at 5:45 am
Wait joker killed batman parents.if you watched the brave and bold series you would find it to be some one called joe chill.anyways just sayin
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