Mike Matei / December 10th, 2016
Star Wars – Are the prequels bad?
December 10, 2016 at 10:51 am
James wonders about which order to show someone the movies. May I humbly suggest Machete Order? http://www.nomachetejuggling.com/2011/11/11/the-star-wars-saga-suggested-viewing-order/
December 13, 2016 at 10:32 am
Better yet, how about that one fanedit that combines all 3 prequels into one?
December 10, 2016 at 11:00 am
The correct answer is no.
December 10, 2016 at 12:00 pm
I’d rather watch the prequels than the special editions. Well, maybe not Phantom Menace.
December 10, 2016 at 12:09 pm
Sorry, I have to disagree but I’ll have to make it short (unfortunately). Episode I isn’t as bad. I really like the Qui Gon Jinn character, oposed to EVERY other Jedi from the prequel trilogy. I can elaborate, but no one cares anyway.
Episode II is, of course, the worst of the bunch. Anakin, the diner scene, the ‘mystery’, the dialog. Lee is deifinately a plus, here, but the Yoda fight is sooo stupid, the Obi Wan Anakin Dooku fight totaly boring. Lightsaber fights are not about the highest clashing rate.. I would elaborate but still no one cares.
Episode III, and sorry to say that after seeing James opinion, isn’t the one redeeming movie, no not at all. I would say it is too little, too late and my memories go far beyond the nooo scene. I remember Utapau, Grievious four bladed lightsaber shennanigans, Yoda vs. Emperor cut short because we needed 45 minutes of Anakin and Obi Wan fight and lots of other stuff. The most interesting lore the prequel had to offer was only hinted at during the movie, and I am not talking about the opera scene. I would elaborate but, well… you know the drill.
December 10, 2016 at 12:19 pm
Personally I prefer Episode III over the Force Awakens, aside from some dialogs and some parts that may be unnecessary, Episode III is a pretty good movie, unlike the previous ones it has weight to it I feelt and it was doing what the prequels was suppose to do all along, the biggest weakness really is that its a sequel to episode I and II but atleast it wasnt just a blatant nostalgia grab and copy of the old ones like VII was.
December 10, 2016 at 12:41 pm
I prefer the whole prequel trilogy to TFA. In the prequels they’ve at least tried to make something new, with mixed results. TFA was just a cheap cash grab recycling job, and they’ve even managed to fuck that up: everything aside from the visuals was terrible.
December 10, 2016 at 12:43 pm
You are right. That is the biggest plus for the whole prequels, being something new (mostly… they have some callbacks, though)and that is by far the biggest issue I have with the force awakens. That movie, on the other hand, did a lot of things right, the prequels kind of messed up.
December 10, 2016 at 1:22 pm
I feel like what people are doing to TFA is the same thing people did for Phantom Menace, too lenient on the movie because it wasnt in the spirit of the prequels as alot of people feared, personally I would never had dreamed that Disney would do that, instead they did what I did thought was more likely, making it too safe, by copying the old ones and people seem to be happy with it which is a terrible thing, im hoping the next one actually is a new adventure and experiance and not just another mix of episode V and VI. Because copying the original hurts them I feel, makes the original seems.. less original I guess. Episode III on the other hand and partially episode II I feel today has grown alot, some of their subject matters in politics and such actually speaks today more so than it did 10 years ago, im not gona mention any names or so as I do not wanna piss anyone off but I do feel like alot of the things going on in them works for todays world more.
December 10, 2016 at 2:49 pm
Perhaps criticism will be taken into account. Lucas sacked Jar Jar for Episode 2 and 3, which was a direct response to the main complaint, people had about Episode 1. I still think TFA had some memorable moments aside from the (granted numerous) nostalgic winks and nods and I hope they’ll follow up on these instead. The prequels had different issues. Now, it’ll be really interesting how Roque One will turn out to be. I really hope for an original story here.
December 10, 2016 at 2:53 pm
I like the star wars prequels and hated episode 7,of course I like the original trilogy!
December 10, 2016 at 3:14 pm
Yes, they’re bad. Not equally, but all bad. I think it depends on your definition of bad, though. I’m comparing the films to films I enjoy, rather than “your average summer blockbuster”, which, frankly, is usually fairly bad.
December 10, 2016 at 5:52 pm
I dont know about episode 3, Anakin fell to the dark side way too quickly, suddenly hated everyone enough to kill them, nothing made sense!!
December 11, 2016 at 3:00 am
Agreed. It was too sudden. I did like how they got him to oppose everyone, but it was too rushed.
December 11, 2016 at 11:18 am
I feel like it was the fault of episode I and II, they should had set it up better, especially in II where they only lightly touched uppon it with the sceene of Anakin killing the sand people.
December 10, 2016 at 6:37 pm
To me, the PT, while certainly flawed, had some workable ideas, and though I don’t think they’re good per se for the most part I don’t hate them as vehemently as other fans do. I can still rewatch Episode 3–it has cheese, but whereas the other two had cringeworthy cheese, this one had enjoyable cheese–like Palpatine and Grievous hamming it up.
I know some fans who appreciate the PT more for the assorted animated series they spawned, which fill in the gaps and help flesh out the characters. It’s understandable that older fans might overlook those or focus just on the movies, but when James was talking about what order to watch the movies in, I was thinking that he and others tend to gloss over that the current generation was raised less by either trilogy and more by the animated CG series. Plenty of kids know who Ahsoka or Captain Rex is but are only dimly aware that Anakin turns evil. Right now a lot of them stick to Clone wars, or more recently, Rebels. And I do think that the former series took a lot of what Lucas was aiming for in the PT, and executed it better.
December 10, 2016 at 6:45 pm
Yeah… definitely, they are all bad. The reasons are different, but they are all bad. And on top of that, EP III even ruins EP IV and V for the obvious reasons, so it goes beyonf badness.
Natalie Portman has said something really clever: she won’t let her children watch these three pieces of sith… I meant shit, sorry…
And I totally agree.
December 10, 2016 at 7:57 pm
Finally! Someone who agrees with me on Revenge of the Sith. It was pretty good. The other two though… meh
December 11, 2016 at 12:20 am
i actually had the epiphany on the perfect order last week. watch 4 and 5 then the prequels, then end on 6, continuation to 7 optional. in this order the Prequals exist as Vaders flashbacks, as contact with Luke is beginning to bring back anakin from the corners of his mind. in this all of the prequels are his POV with the parts he wasn’t in based on what he was told or imagined. the whiny awkward dialogue of Christensen is a projection of his self loathing. all of the phantom menece is a nostalgia trip from the brief time Vader was happy. and the memories of the events of revenge of the sith bring him so much sorrow and pain that he relapses back in to vader considering it is to late for his redemption. however the memories do leave its mark on vader, althogh his mask hides his conflictedness his actions lack the passion seen in empire. at this point he is no longer the driving force of evil, and seems almost broken in his obedience to the empire.
not only does this order and framing improve prequels but deepen return of the jedi as well
December 11, 2016 at 3:10 am
I really like that reasoning, that its all from Vader’s recollection.
My custom cool order was always this:
Episode IV… It’s the best introduction to the universe.
Episode I… We get to visit the days of long ago when Luke’s father was a kid being recruited by Obi-Wan, sort of like Obi-Wan recruited Luke. There is still happiness in the universe and Anakin is just Luke’s father, who will grow up to be betrayed and murdered by Darth Vader, wherever the hell he is. Could Vader be that Darth Maul fella? Hmm. Maybe not since he gets cut in half. Maybe he somehow comes back from that and that’s why he needs those machines. Or maybe Vader just isn’t introduced just yet.
Episode V… The continuing adventures of Luke and friends. Then… WHAT? Darth Vader is Anakin? Luke’s father? That sweet little kid!!?? Holy shit!!! What happened??
Episode III… We see what happened as it all builds up to the ultimate conclusion in…
Episode VI… Father and son’s journeys parallel, meet, and end here. Will Luke end up just like his father did?
December 11, 2016 at 3:20 am
I saw The Star Wars Holiday Special for my f i r st time last year in anticipation of the release of Episode VII.
I really really dug it a lot.
It has this otherworldly warm fuzzy feeling.
It’s eclectic and far out.
I love the minutiae of seeing how they live in another galaxy, similar to ours.
It also highlights the corruption of police and government as all Star Wars films do.
The music is hypnotic and memorable.
I feel like its this crazy acid-trip of a dream, what a familiar alien way of living would be like.
December 11, 2016 at 3:36 am
My favorite of the prequel trilogy is The Phantom Menace and the worst being Revenge Of The Sith (which does have some nice rewatch factor to it) but I loathe the climax which is its undoing. The parallel fights between Vader v Emperor and Anakin v Kenobi are dull shitfests. The only good moment in those long overdrawn CG shitstorms is the “You were the chosen one line!” That emotion in that one moment (how he delivers it) is how you should have felt through the whole damn climax. But I felt nothing but frustration.
The Phantom Menace is a whole lot of fun and feels like a nice classic Star Wars film. It’s the light before the darkness, which I’m guessing was the point of it. It sets things up ominously while being an adventure on its own, much like A New Hope which at one time was just simply Star Wars with no episode number affixed to it. The thing that bothers me a bit about it is Anakin’s flying adventure in the climax: It was just stupid forced ridiculousness (no pun was intended, but now its intended).
I actually don’t mind Jar Jar. I really hate the scene where he steps in shit and some creature farts in his face, but that wasn’t Jar Jar’s doing. I like Jar Jar. Fuck you.
And that whole Jar Jar was the master Sith theory is so fucking badass and really believable. I’m convinced.
I remember being in love with Attack Of The Clones when I saw it because of the romance between Anakin and hot Amidala.
And people need to shut the fuck up about the dialogue. It’s supposed to be like that. It’s Star Wars. It’s a Shakespearean Space Opera Serial ala Flash Gordon. There’s a certain tone/inflection/rhythm to it much like iambic pentameter.
And I love the whole taxation and going into how corrupt government is. George Lucas really highlighted social injustice birthed from the powerful.
I love how the Jedi are wrong in Revenge Of The Sith. I was really on Anakin’s side, up until the too sudden shift into evil. That’s what really hurts that movie. It just seems like they needed to hurry up and say everything that was supposed to be said before it ended. Should’ve just made it a longer film, or maybe cut out the stupid overdrawn CG lightsaber riverdance fights.
December 11, 2016 at 8:43 am
I like epII slightly more then James otherwise I agree completly. I like EpIII better then A new hope actually.
December 11, 2016 at 9:59 am
I have a lot to say about this, but I know no one gives a shit, so I’ll try to keep it short.
I’ve grown to love the prequel trilogy. Not as much as the originals — obviously — but I like watching the saga from Episode I to Episode VI. It becomes Anakin’s story and it suddenly becomes very tragic and deep. Of course, I say this from the perspective that I got to enjoy the original trilogy in its own right, and they were great on their own. The prequels are just an added bonus to me.
December 11, 2016 at 10:13 am
But that brings me to which order future audiences should watch these in…I would say, start with the original untouched trilogy. Not the newest editions with Hayden at the end of Jedi. It doesn’t make sense to see him there if it’s your introduction to these movies.
December 11, 2016 at 10:15 am
Watch those three, then fill in the blanks later with the prequels. Then, during your future viewings, keep to the I-VI+ order. I would suggest taking some time after that before jumping into The Force Awakens, because so much of it undoes what Return of the Jedi accomplished. Especially in terms of happy endings of the characters. Allow some time for Han and Leia to be happy in your mind before seeing how ugly that turns out in VII.
As far as breaking down the prequels, I agree that Episode I seems the most unnecessary (except when telling Anakin’s story from the beginning), Episode II is the most forgettable and Episode III is awesome. Like you said, it has everything you want to see before Episode IV. It also ends in a very dark and tragic place…and that’s where A New Hope comes in.
December 11, 2016 at 10:17 am
I had to split that into three separate posts because I couldn’t determine which word was preventing it from posting. Turns out the “offending” word is for-mat (one word).
December 11, 2016 at 10:27 am
One last thing relating to what I said above. I think the reason I hate The Force Awakens so much compared to the I-VI saga is because those six movies were telling one complete story about Anakin Skywalker. The Force Awakens calls itself Episode VII, but it’s not necessarily continuing Anakin’s story. It’s picking up from Han and Leia’s stupid emo kid who thinks his grandfather and the Dark Side is the latest “hip” trend in the galaxy. It makes no sense in terms of what the original saga represents, except as a blatant cash grab, checking as many politically correct boxes as possible in order to make as much money from as many different groups.
I said I wouldn’t say a lot, but apparently I’m very passionate about my Star Wars.
December 11, 2016 at 10:40 am
Consikder that Rey is the reincarnation of Anakin.
Rey and Kylo Ren may be the dual sides to Anakin: Rey dark / Ren light
Just like how Obi Wan talked about Darth Vader and Anakin as two separate people, how Darth Vader killed Anakin.
And we never got to see Luke fulfill his destiny to the dark side yet. Watch the original trilogy again (specifically Empire and Jedi), he is destined for the dark side.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Luke becomes the big bad and that’s why he hid himself away from everyone.
Luke should be the Emperor and Rey his apprentice, or Luke the apprentice and training Rey to take his place.
Kylo Ren will come back to the light, I know it.
December 11, 2016 at 10:43 am
You can’t say the word ‘f i r st’ and that’s horseshit. Why Mike? Why James?
I’ve written out long heartfelt things, only to hit Post and it gets deleted because that word happened to be in there.
December 11, 2016 at 2:34 pm
great video James !
December 11, 2016 at 4:07 pm
I agree with you on all 3 movies, but I would argue that there should have been 1 or 2 more scenes where anakin was torn. He went from good to murdering babies almost immediately.
December 11, 2016 at 7:06 pm
I literally groaned when Darth Maul died. He’d been fighting Obi-Wan and Qui-Gonn for what felt like half an hour so he’s clearly a badass, but when Obi-Wan flips up from the shaft he just stands there like an imbecile!
Both actors who played Anakin were utterly shit! Cringe-inducing lines and delivered terribly.
I have to watch the fan made anti-cheese edits these days for the prequels, it makes them so much more watchable.
December 12, 2016 at 6:03 am
With all this talk about Star Wars, are you guys going to review Rogue One on day 1?
December 12, 2016 at 11:08 am
Wow! Pretty brave of you James to give some credit to the prequels. I must admit I didn’t hate these films when I saw them in theater, but I didn’t like them much either. Nowadays when I’ve been brainwashed by the Redlettermedia-rewies, I can longer watch these movies or respect anyone who says: “I loved the prequels!.”
December 12, 2016 at 1:45 pm
😀 Fine! Crucify me because im like Jar Jar while rest hate him.
December 13, 2016 at 3:34 pm
Just save yourself the hassle, and watch The Phantom Edit. Jar Jar Binks dialogue is completely cut out for starters.
December 13, 2016 at 3:47 pm
Just save yourself the hassle and try and find a copy of the fan-edit releases of The Phantom Edit, and Attack Of The Phantom. Here is a Wikipedia link with more info:
December 13, 2016 at 4:28 pm
Really well said, James.
December 23, 2016 at 11:06 pm
Revenge of the Sith was my favourite episode of all 7
January 5, 2017 at 5:31 pm
I totally agree on this review
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