Star Wars: The Force Awakens – PART 2 (SPOILERS)

Mike Matei / December 18th, 2015

James and Mike discuss SPOILER aspects from Star Wars: The Force Awakens (2015). This video contains SPOILERS.

Comments

  • meisekimiu

    December 18, 2015 at 2:29 pm

    Regarding Finn wielding a lightsaber, I feel like his ability to use the lightsaber might be hinting that he might be more special than we think.

    • ryan2142

      December 20, 2015 at 4:47 am

      I agree. It’s also just a sword. It’s not like he did anything fancy with it.

      • Benjamin McElvany

        December 21, 2015 at 12:26 pm

        my thought to…just a sword.

        A lightsaber is literally just a laser sword, a weapon. I mean what the hell else was Finn going to do? KR just beat the shif out of his good friend Rey and knocked her out. Finn was the only person left standing there and was PISSED OFF!! Either turn on the lightsaber or get killed, that simple.

        Also, he was a TRAINED STORMTROOPER…since birth. Obviously well trained in the art of hand to hand combat and in VERY good physical condition!

      • December 26, 2015 at 8:43 pm

        I agree, the ability to use a lightsaber isn’t necessarily connected to the users ability to control the force. General Grevious wasn’t a Jedi or a Sith but he was trained to use a lightsaber and was able to kill several Jedi.

      • D-Man

        December 31, 2015 at 1:05 pm

        When I was looking at it I saw a clear skill gap between Fin and Rey. Fin knew a bit about combat with melee weapons but he was no where close to an expert, having trouble fighting the storm trooper with the stun stick (or whatever that is called). By contrast, Rey and her awakening connection to the force allowed her to fight Kai Loren on equal terms.

    • m s

      December 24, 2015 at 1:01 am

      You guys know Han Solo used Luke’s lightsaber in Empire right?

      • December 28, 2015 at 1:17 am

        Yeah, no need for the force.. It just uses crystals. Colors is affected by your emotions during the fabrication though.

  • Penguin Pat87

    December 18, 2015 at 2:35 pm

    A few things regarding Yoda in The Empire Strikes back. James, you are wrong in thinking that he just went senile being in self induced exile for all of those years. Near the end of Revenge of the Sith, Darth Sidious executes Order 66 to have all Jedi hunted down and killed. After Yoda and Dart Sidious fought, he went into exile so he could not be found. When Luke was told by Obi-Wan on Hoth to go to Dagobah, and this is strictly my opinion to go off of what Mike said, that Yoda was testing Luke out, but not from a patience stand point. I think Yoda was testing Luke in a different way to see if Luke was like his father and was on the dark side of the force. Also, Yoda could have been hiding his true self from Luke when he arrives as he did not want to be found out just yet in fear he would have been killed too until he knew what Luke’s true motives really were.

    • Radelta

      December 18, 2015 at 4:05 pm

      Thats gotta be the most hilarious fight in all of the star wars movies and especially the shitty prequels. I love how Yoda falls down out of the area hes fighting palpatine and is decides to give up instead of just climbing back up and continuing to fight.

      Yoda loses via ring out and decides to exile himself. Its pretty funny really.

    • bud

      December 19, 2015 at 3:14 am

      Of course Yoda knew Luke was coming. Yoda can sense the Force. Yoda was communing with Obi-wan, which is why he says “I cannot train the boy.” He was testing Luke. (But he also may have been going a little batty in isolation.)

      • Movie_Fan

        December 21, 2015 at 10:53 pm

        Hate to say it but I like the prequels more than Ep 7, at least they were original

      • bud

        December 22, 2015 at 10:59 am

        That’s the thing. The prequels were designed by Lucas. He had the whole story in mind. It just feels like JJ is making stuff up. It doesn’t feel organic to the I-VI storyline. Might as well just start fresh and make a brand new Star Wars series, don’t call it Episode VII!
        I felt much more of an emotional resonance in Revenge of the Sith than I did during any part of The Force Awakens. It’s up for time to tell if the other sequels will make up for it.

      • December 28, 2015 at 3:09 am

        I’m sorry but it was not just Lucas who made the story of the original trilogy good. I’m always thinking about how Lucas wanted this and that but wouldn’t be let and it made the awesome -4-5-6 we know then got mostly free will in 1-2-3 and they got to be shitty. In comparison anyway

      • December 30, 2015 at 2:54 pm

        Yeah, umm JJ isn’t the primary writer btw.

  • JoeNormal

    December 18, 2015 at 3:08 pm

    In regard to Alderaan being the place Leia sends them. Not only did Ben serve with “her father” in the clone wars, but on the off chance that R2 was captured the message would not have disclosed the location of the rebel base… or maybe I’m just thinking about it too much…

    • D-Man

      December 31, 2015 at 1:34 pm

      My take on why Leia sent them to Alderaan instead of straight to Yavin was for secrecy/security. Since Obi-Wan would need to hire someone to smuggle him off Tatooine, if he went straight to Yavin the smuggler would learn about the Rebel Base and might go straight to the Empire and say “make me rich and I’ll tell you where the rebels are hiding.”
      By contrast, using Alderaan as a mid-point would arouse less suspicion since it was a planet of some significance (lots of people living and traveling there), the smuggler would not learn the location of the base, and Leia’s father would be able to securely and secretly send R2 or the plans to Yavin.

  • milohazis

    December 18, 2015 at 3:40 pm

    I think it was obvious that Kylo Ren used that mask because he was obsessed with Darth Vader and wanted to be (like) him.

    • sodadreamers

      December 20, 2015 at 5:25 am

      He’s a fanatic. I totally agree. It’s going to be interesting to find out what happened to his training, why he turned to the bad etc. Perhaps Luke was a diddler .

    • D-Man

      December 31, 2015 at 1:37 pm

      Agreed. Also, the mask and voice modification made him appear far more threatening and imposing. Without the mask he looks like a teenager going through an emo/goth phase.

    • Don Skiver

      January 31, 2016 at 3:38 pm

      That’s Grandpa’s Little Boy! Kill those younglings! Yeah! YEAH!!

      I feel like this whole Vader worship thing is bullshit. Vader turned back to the light, he’s a force ghost now. You would think at some point he’d make himself appear and say “That’s not what I want for you!” But no. So…yeah…not a huge fan of the Vader worship sub-plot…

  • kris fahq

    December 18, 2015 at 4:16 pm

    I think it’s safe to say Kylo Ren employs the mask as a form of intimidation and a way to mask his emotions. In one scene, Kylo is speaking with the bad CG giant when Hux walks in, and you can clearly see that Kylo is uncomfortable being maskless.

  • RMBowie

    December 18, 2015 at 5:27 pm

    Looks Goooood!

  • NashKnight

    December 18, 2015 at 6:36 pm

    It sucked bigtime, it’s basically the same movie as “A new hope”, with bland characters and gaping plot holes.

    • April 20, 2016 at 3:47 pm

      Slow reply but this is such a baseless stupid argument. Its not a new hope by any stretch of the imagination. Also apart from an amazing homage to original fans born during that era (yes I remember seeing it in the movie theatre), it also brings to life a franchise that almost died at the hands of George Lucas and brings it to a new generation. Wow, I mean I loved it, you are completely entitled to your opinion although the comment and reference is ridiculous. I mean A New Hope didn’t have half the excitement and action that the new one had. Bland characters? Wow, can I ask what more they could have done to impress you? Maybe star wars 1, 2 and three were more up your ally, ridiculous over the top characters and crappy CGI may suit you better!

  • gjr7318

    December 18, 2015 at 6:56 pm

    sounds rather mediocre to me.

  • daswalker

    December 18, 2015 at 6:58 pm

    The thing that concerned me most was with Kylo Ren’s backstory, and the face that he looks at Vader as kind of an inspiration for embracing the dark side. Didn’t Luke ever tell him that “Yeah, in the end he realized that all this dark side thing was stupid and he actually killed the emperor himself”?

    • bud

      December 19, 2015 at 2:25 am

      Kylo Ren has no motivation for doing what he did. Him killing Han was just a way to establish him as the “bad” guy. How bad could his life have been? It’s stupid.

      • ryan2142

        December 20, 2015 at 4:44 am

        You have no idea how Snoke/( probably Darth Plagueis) manipulated him. Yes, it also served the purpose to cement him as a bad guy. No motivation? Snoke said pretty much explicitly to kill Han Solo.

      • bud

        December 20, 2015 at 6:55 am

        I’m talking about why he went to the dark side to begin with. His father is Han, his mother is Leia, his mentor is Luke. How did he go astray?

      • Movie_Fan

        December 21, 2015 at 10:55 pm

        Are you saying they should make a prequel to show why Kylo went to the Dark sise? Ugh

      • bud

        December 22, 2015 at 11:01 am

        They left so much out of this movie. I wish they would have done a better job establishing exactly what happened in the 30 year interim between the movies. It’s all speculation on our part at this point.

      • mike keith

        December 24, 2015 at 7:01 am

        `Come on people?!?!?!??

        They will have flashback scenes in the movies to come. This was just a setup to get it up and running. But not everything needs to be shown. Until the prequels came out, no one cared why Darth Vadrer was bad. We just went along with it. This whole new generation of people that need everything spelled put for them. He is evil becuase that is just the way he became. Go have a nature vs nutrue debatre about it, but don’t start in on “oh how bad could his childhood have been blah blah”. Just watch the fraking movies and deal, bitches.

  • Satnav

    December 18, 2015 at 9:52 pm

    Kylo wears the mask pretty much to look intimidating. Who’d be scared of Adam Driver?

    • December 19, 2015 at 12:42 am

      Yeah he wears the mask as an homage to his hero Vader and as a symbol of intimidation.

  • December 18, 2015 at 10:35 pm

    if you wanna have a lot of answers, look at the galaxy map of star wars, tattoine is near alderaan, dantoine is at top nord od the map, she probably wanna tell them a place so far to gaining time

    • Thin Thrizzy

      December 19, 2015 at 2:22 am

      Because the entire galaxy was written and mapped out as part of writing Episode IV. Come the fuck on. Episode IV didn’t even have it figured out that Vader was Anakin or that Luke and Leia were brother and sister. Lucas was making it up as he went so this idea is pretty ridiculous. The reason they’re so far apart is probably because of the Episode IV script. You’ve got it entirely backward.

  • TamLin

    December 18, 2015 at 10:49 pm

    Well, I think it was a heroic thing for Han to expose himself for the sake of trying to win his son back from the Dark Side. Something, you’ll note, he was really doing for the sake of Leia, who, with the story of her brother and their father in mind, cleaves to the principle that no one is doomed beyond redemption, no matter what.

    It was a very noble thing for Han to step out there, knowing very well what the danger was but doing it anyway because it was the right thing to do. And a very tragic turn that he paid the inevitable price for it, reminding us that heroism often bears a bitter reward.

  • December 19, 2015 at 12:41 am

    The light saber at end of Return of the Jedi was green and was assumed to be destroyed when the Death Star 2 exploded (Luke tossed it after chopping off Vader’s hand). Therefore we must assume Luke crafted this new blue one during the time he was training new Jedi at his temple. No idea how it ended up in a box. My theory is that Rey is his daughter and had been in training under Luke as a young child which is how she was easily able to tap back into knowing how to use the force at a higher level than even Luke in Empire Strikes Back. So either Luke dumped her in the desert after her mom (Luke’s wife) was killed by Rylo or Rey’s mom dropped her off in the desert and his Luke’s light saber in a safe place. Who knows? Can’t wait to hear more of the story.

    • calmLIKEaBOB-OMB

      December 20, 2015 at 5:01 am

      Bug eyed lady said the light saber was Luke’s and his father’s before that. So it’s Anakin’s blue light saber. The one that Luke was fighting Vader with in Cloud City. So yeah, Luke got his hand cut off and along went the saber. My guess is some Ugnaught found it lying around in one of those tubes and pawned it somewhere. And then somehow came into possession of bug eyed lady. How exactly? Who gives a shit. When you explain everything it ruins it. Just look at the prequels for example.

  • bud

    December 19, 2015 at 12:46 am

    I just wrote a huge long reply and it didn’t post. I forgot to copy the text before I hit send. So fuck it.

    • bud

      December 19, 2015 at 3:01 am

      Just wanted to say I hate Adam Driver and Harrison Ford has the worst luck with on-screen children.

  • RMBowie

    December 19, 2015 at 2:02 am

    Mother Ducking Mike tha Movie

  • bud

    December 19, 2015 at 2:29 am

    For the most part, I agree with what Mike says regarding most of the film. These comments won’t allow me to write anything more than a couple of sentences.

    • bud

      December 19, 2015 at 2:59 am

      Can anyone make sense of this commenting system? Sometimes it lets me post, sometimes it doesn’t. I’ve tried to write a comment 10 times, but it won’t go through.

      • bud

        December 19, 2015 at 2:59 am

        But that comment went through? What the fuck?

      • greedo

        January 11, 2016 at 8:38 pm

        Did you type in the “f” word? The number, not the swear word. They have a filter that blocks it out. If you type that word in, your post won’t appear, no matter how many times you type and retype it.

  • dragonfly82

    December 19, 2015 at 2:50 am

    I don’t get the hype for this movie,
    the new characters were OK and the visuals looked great, but the story was basically ANH 2.0

    Too bad Disney disregarded the Expanded Universe series, there were some neat stories there.

    • bud

      December 19, 2015 at 2:54 am

      They never should has disregarded Lucas’s outline for the sequels. I don’t accept this as an “official” movie. It’s a fan-made sequel.

      • Penguin Pat87

        December 19, 2015 at 7:53 am

        Jar Jar Abrams seems to have thrown out all of the Star Wars mythology and lore pertaining to the Jedi and the Force. Can’t use a light sabre properly or the force without even being trained from a Jedi master. I’m sticking with the books and the expanded universe. Disney and J J Abrams can fuck off in a death star exhaust port as it blows up,

      • greedo

        January 11, 2016 at 8:38 pm

        I agree.

  • Kent Gissing

    December 19, 2015 at 5:42 am

    Han Solo dying is an ok plot-twist, but it came way too fast; he could’ve been kept to at least ep VIII. I agree with the lightsaber, it shouldn’t have been so easy to use, also, Rey kicks the shit out of Kylo Ren too soon for a rookie force-user, comparing with Luke, Rey just goes from oblivious to being able to go toe-to-toe with the guy who stops a blastershot in the air.

    • Kent Gissing

      December 19, 2015 at 5:47 am

      Also, I think Alderaan is probably just closer to Tatooine than Yavin is. And they were looking for Kenobi, so Leia knew he was there and took it into account. I agree with Tarkin blowing Alderaan up just to be an asshole, though.

      • Kent Gissing

        December 19, 2015 at 5:47 am

        I hope Luke will come back in ep VIII and retries to create a new Jedi order and starts to kick ass again. I mean, they kind of have to do that, cause Rey needs a teacher like Luke needed Obi-wan and Yoda. He really doesn’t need to be young to do a lot of physical fighting because he (by now) is probably as strong as Yoda or at least as strong as Kenobi was, so he can just use the force to wreak havoc. 😀

      • bud

        December 19, 2015 at 9:37 am

        So basically episode 8 is just going to be a retread of Empire, with Rey training with Luke? Sadly, it seems that’s the route they’re taking.
        It seems to me that they were strongly suggesting that Rey is Luke’s offspring. It can’t be a coincidence that her powers are that strong. Luke must have hidden her to protect her.

      • bud

        December 19, 2015 at 9:38 am

        I wonder if we’ll ever see the Jedi ghosts again? I miss Yoda.

    • bud

      December 19, 2015 at 9:41 am

      Han’s death came way too quickly, and predictably. As soon as he walked out on that bridge, I knew it was over.
      Rey has way too much control of her Force powers with no training at all. Does that mean she’s stronger than Anakin?
      Finn was going toe to toe with Kylo in that lightsaber battle. Kylo must really be a bad fighter.

      • Xen11

        December 19, 2015 at 11:03 am

        Kylo was toying with Finn. He may have a crush on Rey and he knew she liked Finn, so he just played toy swords with him and showed that he is weak.
        It’s a possibility.

      • Salarian Infiltrator Master Race

        December 19, 2015 at 12:21 pm

        Kylo was injured when Chewie shot him

      • Salarian Infiltrator Master Race

        December 19, 2015 at 5:03 pm

        One more thing to add to the Finn/Kylo lightsaber fight. Aside from being injured by Chewie’s Biocaster, consider that even our modern military forces receive hand-to-hand combat training. It’s not a stretch to imagine that Storm Troopers receive some hand-to-hand training also.

      • dragonfly82

        December 19, 2015 at 6:36 pm

        Han’s death came as no surprise, specially considering Harrison Ford wanted to kill off Han since ROTJ.

        (Even so, It kinda felt wrong for one of Cinema’s most know badasses to go that way)

      • bud

        December 19, 2015 at 9:20 pm

        Chewie didn’t even let out a “death scream” when Han died. It was all so…unceremonious. I didn’t feel any emotional resonance at all. It just seemed to serve the story. He deserved a hero’s death, not one at the hands of that one guy from Girls.

  • Xen11

    December 19, 2015 at 7:12 am

    Here’s the direction I would have gone or predicted for Episode VII (right before it was made):

    Han and Leia have a boy and girl. The boy is into war and stupid evil shit (Republican/Conservative/Religious). The girl is peaceful and exposes corruption and evil (Democrat/Liberal/Intelligent). The boy joins the Empire and goes to the dark side. The girl investigates the new rising of the Empire. Uncle Luke has to stop the boy and that creates tension between Han and Luke with Leia in the middle. The girl goes undercover to find out what’s going on to expose and stop this rising Empire. She gets deep into it and starts to go to the dark side while the boy starts to see the error of his ways, going away from the dark side. The boy and girl’s positions are now reversed and the girl becomes the villain of the story and dons the Darth Vader suit.

    That’s pretty much what’s happening with this new trilogy. (I see the cross saber as symbolic of the evil that is religion. Btw, Jesus is a lie, a remake of the messiah story to get stupid people to follow evil, religion).

    I think Rey will go to the dark side. You can see her anger (arising from fear) and hatred when fighting Kylo Ren. After what he does to Han (the only man like a father to her) and Finn (her only close friend), she will want revenge. With Luke retrieved, he will train Kylo Ren to the light side while Rey goes to the dark, resenting the fact that Luke is on Kylo Ren’s side after what he did to Han and Finn. Rey will be the villain of the story. She may don the Darth Vader suit to mock Kylo Ren at what he could never be. Will be great to see Kylo Ren (now a guilt ridden do-gooder) battling Rey again, as their roles will be reversed.
    Finn will have to kill her, his love, in Episode IX.
    Tragic beauty.

    • Jarnor23

      December 28, 2015 at 2:31 am

      Well, I’d say that from your obvious stupidity about 90% of this won’t happen. Fuck you and your anti-religious bigotry.

  • Salarian Infiltrator Master Race

    December 19, 2015 at 12:20 pm

    I thought Hans death was pretty smart, and something that needed to happen in order for Kylo to grow as a character. Consider that Darth Vader says “Annakin is dead” but that wasn’t really true. Annakin was still alive inside of him, and he turned on Emperor Palpatine and killed him. Snoke is not going to make that mistake with Kylo Ren. Kylo says “Ben Solo is dead” but until he kills Han, that is not really true. Ben is still alive inside of him, as evidenced by his hesitation to carry out the act. Only after Hans death does Snoke say it is time to comlete Kylo’s training, because now there is nothing to pursuade Kylo to turn on Snoke. There is no going back now.

    Also, to quote Lucas, “They rhyme”. Luke had to kill his father to complete his training, Kylo had to kill his father to complete his.

    • December 19, 2015 at 1:37 pm

      No, Han’s death was stupid. Father/son relationship aside, a regular guy like Han is no match for a dark force leader like Kylo, and why should he or Leia believe that a non-force user like him can persuade Kylo over to the light? They should have seen Han’s demise coming a mile away.

      • Salarian Infiltrator Master Race

        December 19, 2015 at 4:57 pm

        Because Han was his father. He didn’t intend to “match up” against Kylo, that WOULD have been stupid. Instead he tried to show Kylo some of the love he obviously neglected in his youth, in the hopes that would pursuade Kylo to return with him, and for a moment it almost worked. It was the only thing that would have turned Kylo back from the DArk Side, and Han knew that, as did Snoke, and even Kylo himself.

      • bud

        December 19, 2015 at 9:24 pm

        There better be a decent backstory on why Kylo Ren went evil. Not just some sad sob story, “My parents split up” or “I’m doing it for my grandpappy.” That’s an even worse reason than Hayden/Anakin turning to the darks ide. Nothing seems to justify killing his father.

  • herbsuperb

    December 19, 2015 at 1:24 pm

    I’m pretty sure that Rey is the daughter of Luke Skywalker and a Gungan prostitute that Yoda bought for Luke while they were alone on Dagobah. That’s the only way I can see this panning out. More to be revealed in Star Wars Episode IX: Revenge of the GUNGANS!!!!!

    PS – By the way, the rebel base was not on Yavin, it was on one of Yavin’s moons.

  • Salarian Infiltrator Master Race

    December 19, 2015 at 5:22 pm

    The biggest issue I took with the movie is simply how talented Rey is. So she’s a scavenger, maybe she knows what valuable parts look like. But somehow she is also a full-fledged engineer, a pilot, a hand-to-hand combat expert, AND she figures out how to use the Force only minutes after discovering that she even has it.

    That’s a lot of things to be good at when you’ve spent your life on a desert planet as little more than a slave.

    • dragonfly82

      December 19, 2015 at 6:33 pm

      Yeah, Rey comes off almost as a literal Mary-sue,
      she near perfect at everythign she does.

      • bud

        December 19, 2015 at 9:27 pm

        Yes, very annoying. Not a character you can easily identify with. How could she know how to use the Force and Jedi mind tricks and pilot the Millennium Falcon and use the lightsaber, etc. None of it feels earned. They’re just crafting a hero character and expecting us to go with it.

    • December 20, 2015 at 12:19 pm

      I think she’s secretly the equivalent of what Phoenix/Jean Grey is to X-Men. I’m sure there’s some reason that hasn’t been explained yet as to why she is so much more incredibly powerful with the force than anyone we’ve seen before in the saga, that she learns everything so quickly. I think she is probably the ‘awakening’ of the force that the subtitle suggests.

  • December 19, 2015 at 6:14 pm

    Is Mike on coke in these videos? All he says in muddled shit. Calm down dude. i feel like James wants to go to bed. Do the review the next day once you’ve taken it all in. I thought you guys were decent reviewers. The film feels like it’s a remake because it’s starting the story off after many years but it doesn’t feel like it’s mimicking a new hope. Guys sort it out. Awful video. Massively disappointed and I’m sure a lot of your followers will be.

    • bud

      December 19, 2015 at 9:30 pm

      Mike was very articulate and basically said everything I felt after watching the movie. Of course they were on a “high,” they had just seen the movie!

    • Movie_Fan

      December 21, 2015 at 11:07 pm

      James Sanger – you only say that cuz you loved the movie and are upset that not everyone feels the same.

      Both movie have droids carrying hidden info pursued by Empire on a desert planet. Droid falls into hands of a nobody. The nobody is helped by an old hero (Han or Obi-wan), the old hero is killed while a new generation takes over. A massive battle station is destroyed right before it kills the good guys. Same movie

  • December 19, 2015 at 6:57 pm

    Why don’t my comments work?

    • December 19, 2015 at 6:57 pm

      Or should I say, any lengthy comment.

      • Kent Gissing

        December 19, 2015 at 7:25 pm

        Exactly what I have been wondering for going on a year or two now. I can write like five(ish) lines of text, but anymore than that and the comment doesn’t appear, and I have to cut some parts to get my post through.

  • Brandon Halsne

    December 19, 2015 at 7:35 pm

    Is it just me or is it strang Poe was left alive? I have a theory that Ren turned him and left him knowing Finn was going to run. Seemed strange the coat was at the crash scene if he was thrown clear.

  • December 19, 2015 at 9:23 pm

    What do you guys think of the new doom in 2016.

  • December 19, 2015 at 9:26 pm

    The han solo scene was spoiled around a year ago…..

  • rebilacx

    December 19, 2015 at 11:23 pm

    Leia wanted Obi-Wan to bring r2-d2 to Alderaan and deliver the plans to Bail Organa because Bail basically created the Rebel Alliance and was possibly their leader at the time.

  • derek

    December 19, 2015 at 11:55 pm

    i dont think luke’s saber from episode 7 was the one that got dropped in episode 5, they said it was luke’s saber and his father’s before him. I’m thinking it was Darth Vader’s saber and luke took it after his death in episode 6

    • ryan2142

      December 20, 2015 at 4:42 am

      Obi Wan gave Luke his father’s lightsaber, aka Darth Vader/Anakin’s lightsaber, at the beginning of A New Hope. That is the one he had during the fight with Vader in Episode V. Vader’s only lightsaber by the time of Episode 6 was red.

      • bud

        December 20, 2015 at 6:52 am

        Remember that rumor that came out a while back that said that the movie would begin with the discovery of a severed hand and lightsaber? I wonder what happened to that. I always assumed it was the one Luke dropped from Episode V.

    • Movie_Fan

      December 21, 2015 at 11:10 pm

      Vader’ s Saber was Red in Jedi. The saber in this movie was blue. Duh

  • mike king

    December 20, 2015 at 12:01 am

    Is it me or did Kylo Ren remind anyone else of a young John Travolta??..lol

    • Movie_Fan

      December 21, 2015 at 11:10 pm

      He actually reminded of Hayden Christensen in a good way

    • greedo

      January 11, 2016 at 8:56 pm

      Personally, I think he’s a cross between Marilyn Manson and Nick Simmons. But that’s just me! 🙂

  • December 20, 2015 at 1:28 am

    fins serial number suppose to be the cell number that the princes was in in ep4

  • Urotsukidoji

    December 20, 2015 at 4:04 am

    I really liked this movie, but I have one major complain, WHY is it necessary to use CGI all the time, it just doesnt fit in some scenes, even it was made good though.
    Take the bar scene for example, no need to make it that way, the orange thing with glasses looked way to synthetic.
    And even worse, they re-used Admiral Ackbar and Nien Nunb and made them CGI too arghhh..
    Sorry for that, so overall the movie was great but CGI is a no-go in some scenes 😀
    cheers from Austria

    • Movie_Fan

      December 21, 2015 at 11:13 pm

      I was surprised how little CGI was used. This movie actually built sets. Go back and watch the prequels and you will see what happens when everything is blue screen

  • sodadreamers

    December 20, 2015 at 5:22 am

    I am wondering if any one realised the connection to the death of the sun (a star) just before the death of Han (a star). I thought to myself. ‘It’s going to happen, Han is going to be killed’. Did anyone else make the connection? Or am I reading to much into the art of filmmaking ala’ JJ

    • Movie_Fan

      December 21, 2015 at 11:16 pm

      I actually assumed Han was going to die in this movie 1) They want to push the old cast out so they can have the new cast take over and keep SW going forever. 2) Han played the “Obi-wan” from A New Hope role in this movie so of course he would die 3) Harrison Ford wanted Han Solo killed off in 1983

  • December 20, 2015 at 9:38 am

    The movie is horrible.

    • bud

      December 20, 2015 at 12:21 pm

      I feel like that’s the general consensus around these parts. So why is it apparently critically acclaimed? Are people that desperate for new Star Wars that they’ll accept just anything with the brand?

      • Movie_Fan

        December 21, 2015 at 11:20 pm

        I don’t think it’s horrible. I don’t think James and Mike do either. I prefer the old SW but this one did a lot of things right

      • bud

        December 22, 2015 at 11:05 am

        It looks great on the outside, but it just leaves so much to be desired. I’m sure it’ll be great to revisit once this new trilogy is complete. I feel like a lot of us were just disappointed.

  • Alexio Schaffan

    December 21, 2015 at 2:45 am

    Perhaps Leia does not tell them to go to Yavin fearing the possibility R2 being captured and the message intercepted? In which case the Empire would discover
    the location of the rebel base.

  • Benjamin McElvany

    December 21, 2015 at 12:24 pm

    Sorry guys, have to disagree! A lightsaber is literally just a laser sword, a weapon. I mean what the hell else was Finn going to do? KR just beat the shif out of his good friend Rey and knocked her out. Finn was the only person left standing there and was PISSED OFF!! Either turn on the lightsaber or get killed, that simple.

    Also, he was a TRAINED STORMTROOPER…since birth. Obviously well trained in the art of hand to hand combat and in VERY good physical condition!

    • Salarian Infiltrator Master Race

      December 21, 2015 at 5:37 pm

      Our modern military forces receive hand to hand combat training. It’s no stretch to imagine that Storm Troopers do too. One of them even appears to specialize in it, with a vibrostaff sort of thing, clearly an anti-Jedi weapon. What’s more, that particular trooper recognizes Finn, so it is likely that they were from the same detachment. TLDR Finn probably had some saber training

      • Movie_Fan

        December 21, 2015 at 11:27 pm

        Ugh. Remember when Luke tried to use the light saber in a New Hope with no training. He couldn’t even fight a remote. It shouldn’t matter if stormtroopers had combat training. Someone who is trained with the Force like Ren is supposed to be should be three steps ahead of someone not trained in the Force. It makes the Jedi seem less bad ass if any two random people can do it

      • Movie_Fan

        December 21, 2015 at 11:32 pm

        And by the way, I like this movie a lot but this is one thing that they clearly did wrong. It was awesome how they built up the legend of Luke, the last Jedi Knight. But they piss away how cool Jedi are. I mean Rey pretty much defeated Kylo Ren with no training..if that’s the case why does she even need Luke to train her? This was a misstep by JJ Abrams

      • bud

        December 22, 2015 at 11:08 am

        I agree, Movie_Fan. All the movies seem to say that the dark side is stronger, so how were Rey and Finn able to take down Kylo so easily? Just because he was wounded by the crossbow? Kylo is using the Force choke on everyone, he should have easily taken them out. Something doesn’t stick.
        One other thing: If it turns out Rey is part of the Skywalker bloodline, how is she apparently more powerful than Anakin? Doesn’t the bloodline get diluted throughout generations? More food for thought.

  • December 21, 2015 at 6:16 pm

    Touching on the idea of Leia having them take R2 to Alderaan instead of Yavin. I think she was afraid of R2 falling into the hands of the Empire. Had that happened then they would have known where the Reble base was and they could easily destroyed it. So by sending R2 to Alderaan the Empire would have known that her “father” was part of the Rebel Alliance, but wouldn’t have the location of the base. Sorry if someone else posted this idea already, I didn’t want to take the time to sift through 7 pages of comments.

  • December 21, 2015 at 7:41 pm

    “ancient weapons and hokey religions are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.”
    and then 30-some years later his own ‘kid’ stabs him with an ancient weapon. Anyone noticed the irony in that? Han’s death was pretty much the biggest ‘fuck you’ possible to the character. Probably the most perfectly insulting way for a character to die. This is what his love for Leia and close friendship with Luke ultimately brought him in the end. Being killed by a son who’s a product of his love for Leia and who becomes a perversion of Jedi training by uncle Luke. All coming back to stab Han in the front.

    • Movie_Fan

      December 21, 2015 at 11:37 pm

      I agree it was a Fuck you to the character. Why even bother having him in the movie just to kill him off? Why even have Luke in the movie just for one scene? Why bring back beloved characters just to use them as a plot device?

      • bud

        December 22, 2015 at 11:10 am

        The interaction between Carrie Fischer and Harrison Ford was so awkward…and not in a good way. It struck me on a false note. These people used to love each other a long time ago, in a galaxy far away. Now they can barely share a scene together. 🙁

  • Movie_Fan

    December 21, 2015 at 11:43 pm

    I love the feel of this movie. It feels like Star Wars again. But you are right this does rehash A New Hope’s formula. It is done well and there is some potential here. Let’s hope future movies are more original. I hope they haven’t brought Luke back just to “pass the torch” to the new people and be killed off the way that Han was. Come on JJ, do something original here. Have some balls and keep Luke around.

    • Movie_Fan

      December 21, 2015 at 11:47 pm

      Its going to take a long time for me to process this movie. I really dont like what they did to Han and also having non-Force-trained people being able to use l ightsabers effectively and in some cases use other Force abilities. It really makes the Jedi seem less special.

      • Movie_Fan

        December 21, 2015 at 11:51 pm

        This is just a minor thing but I really missed the 20th Century Fox drumroll before the opening crawl. It just started so abrubtly. They should have come up with some little fanfare to start it off. Sigh, at least it didn’t have Cinderella’s castle and Tinkerbell waving her wand.

      • Movie_Fan

        December 21, 2015 at 11:58 pm

        But I say again, I liked the movie. It had more of a Classic Star Wars feel than the prequels. Does that mean I automatically like it more than the prequels? Not necessarily. Time will tell. I do like Kylo Ren’s character and how he seems to struggle with the Dark Side. Very interesting. I also like the potential for Luke’s storyline and I hope they take it somewhere unexpected and not just phase him out or kill him off like Han just to make room for the new guys

      • bud

        December 22, 2015 at 11:15 am

        I wanted to like this movie so bad, but in the end it just feels like a cash grab for Disney. Now that there’s going to be a new Star Wars movie released every year, they will milk it for all it’s worth. My expectations are completely shattered for the sequels (I don’t even care about the Rogue One movie) and I will never forgive Disney for not sticking to Lucas’s original plans regarding the characters. Han’s death is the most unforgivable part…and I’m not fond of Adam Driver’s character at all. Rey, Finn, Poe and BB-8 are cool. Would have been nice to see them running around with Luke, Leia, Han and Chewie. Now that’ll never happen.

      • bud

        December 22, 2015 at 11:20 am

        Also, I loved the visual look of the movie. It was completely polished and looked beautiful for a Star Wars film (much better than the others, but of course digital effects have improved quite a bit). JJ did a good job with the effects, I just wish they had executed a better story. Oh well.

  • December 22, 2015 at 4:11 pm

    Is no one going to talk abotu ow much Strife/Strofe/Stroke or whatever looks a LOT like Voldemort? Like.. too much like him? Am I the only one thinking this?

    • December 23, 2015 at 1:59 pm

      Yeah it looked like him. But for some reason, I felt like I was watching a scene from The Hobbit. Not really because of Serkis, but it just had that kind of feel to it. It felt out of place and he looked like a Lord of the Rings type of character.

      • bud

        December 23, 2015 at 9:04 pm

        That’s exactly what I thought. I got Lord of the Rings vibes and found it was out of place for a Star Wars movie.

    • December 28, 2015 at 2:48 am

      Oh lol! I thought the other one looked like severus snape! bahaha. Definitely something there.

  • bud

    December 23, 2015 at 9:05 pm

    It’s been almost a week since I saw the movie and I’m STILL pissed off. 😛

  • December 25, 2015 at 12:13 pm

    Just saw the Star Wars Holiday Special. I just about broke down, seeing Han hugging Chewbacca’s relatives and saying they’re like family to him…and now he’s dead :'(
    Life Day will never be the same without Han Solo *weeps*

  • DeathBlow

    December 25, 2015 at 9:46 pm

    A lot of things bugged me about this movie. There will be spoilers.
    1. The acting is very different from previous movies. Unlike the reserved characters of the previous films, this film has characters that feel like over-acted caricatures. I find them to be less believable. It’s not as bad as Hayden Christensen, but they took it too far the other way. I also dislike the look of the chosen cast. Rey reminds me of Keira Knightley; Kylo Ren doesn’t look menacing at all; and Fin looks like a model. They lack character. Is it just me, or does Snoke also remind you of the Lord of the Rings. The Emperor was more terrifying. Also weird is the amount of contemporary culture infused in the behaviors of the characters, such as when Kylo Ren pounds himself to deal with the pain. It seems to break the illusion of the Star Wars universe by incorporating such elements.
    2. The character development suffers. The back story for the numerous of characters is breezed by so that action is never interrupted for too long. We don’t really get any satisfying explanation for the motivation of each character except that we must go with it. Nor is anything else conveniently placed in the movie explained.
    3. The similarities to A New Hope makes me feel cheated. It’s just too much. Likewise, the pacing of introducing the characters of previous movies almost seems too indulgent. The Starkiller Base is just ridiculous. It’s bigger and badder, and yet it still has a weakness on the surface. Austin Powers comes to mind, “I’m going to place him in an easily escapable situation involving an overly elaborate and exotic death.” The physics behind the Starkiller’s operation seems impossible. Even if it were possible, without any sunlight, surely, the Starkiller would freeze and kill everyone on its surface. There seems to be some confusion about the sun’s power here. It can be harnessed to destroy whole planets, but it is not harmful to be near it.

    • December 28, 2015 at 3:03 am

      I agree with some of what you said! But idk, I think it’s just how movies used to be back then as for the acting. I’m with you though.. I haven’t grown up in those decades, but I thought the mainstream stuff added more soul to characters. Less cartoony. And for the masochistic thing, I was just remembering how Darth Maul had bloody lips from biting them all the time. Idk, feels ok/good in the movie. But Kylo looks like an ill tempered kid, not an evil warlord xD..

    • DeathBlow

      January 1, 2016 at 6:00 pm

      They even ruined the movie’s introduction with a poor remix of the Star Wars theme. Check out: The Force Awakens vs A New Hope. All the impact was removed of the theme.

  • December 28, 2015 at 2:07 am

    thought Han’s death was obviously coming, a lot of previsible stuff in the movie. Still good, and sad! All good thing must comes to an end, huh?.. 🙁
    Yeah, Leia was cool to be there, but very minor. Maybe for the best. The millenium being back is fan service but really cool anyway. Same guy in chewie? Wow, cool, nice of them to cast him, I thougt chewie was good as any chewie.

    I thought the saber thing was ok. Han used it too on a tonton before btw. I didn’t put much thought into the helmet, but vador obsession is a good and simple enough reason. I like the final scene too.. But I kinda wished Luke was the bad guy like it was supposed from the game and books.
    Sw isn’t about Anakin, it’s about R2. Always been it saving the world lol.

    Haha…Well your fan fiction, James, partly reminds me of the story in Kotor. The force seemed to be something from an ancient lost extraterrestrial (not white people with english accents), and powerful race. Created the little bacteria thing or something.

    Well she looks lik

    • December 28, 2015 at 2:26 am

      like Leia, so I figured they were siblings. Han and leia had twins in the books.
      I remember also being confused by Dantooine as a kid haha. Especially since in french dubs, you were not sure if it was a translation error.

      • December 28, 2015 at 2:50 am

        The main thing that annoyed me was the death star comparison, it was stupid. Oh look! it’s 10x bigger! “spaceball2!? They’ve made progress!” It undermined the final battle as it couldn’t possible be as grandiose as RotJ. It was an aftermath war after all, you could already see how both sides had lower resources, somewhat. Just better techs maybe. And it needed some more breathing in some scenes, I thought some of the plot was thrown at you too fast.

  • December 28, 2015 at 9:32 am

    I wanna talk about how I loved the practical effects in that movie, but it seems the comment section won’t let me :S

    • December 28, 2015 at 9:40 am

      Awesome practical effect! But the music was somewhat.. Not memorable, wasn’t it?

  • Adam Zeliff

    December 28, 2015 at 5:40 pm

    Kylo Rens mask is part of the armor the knights of Ren wear they showed several people dressed the same in the force vision Rey has.

  • January 2, 2016 at 1:17 pm

    I think that Princess Leia tells him to go to Alderaan because if she had told them to go to the rebel base and the Empire had captured the Droid they would now know where the rebel base was

  • Assholeface

    January 6, 2016 at 9:52 pm

    I loved the brief cameo of the fly buzzing around you guys halfway through the video! I’m surprised there wasn’t a pop up caption mentioning it. a buh bye!

  • January 9, 2016 at 8:47 pm

    Kylo Ren wears the mask because its like the uniform of the Knights of Ren. If you look at the brief moment in Rey’s flashback where you saw Kylo Ren leading the attack on (presumably) Luke’s Jedi all the other Knights have masks too.

    And the Lightsaber is just a sword. We’ve already seen Han Solo use one (the exact same one too) to open up a tauntaun’s stomach in ESB, so theres nothing wrong with Finn using it.

  • Phoenix7786

    January 11, 2016 at 2:35 am

    ***SPOILER***

    I beg to differ on Han’s death being a total surprise. Everyone that was with me knew he was a dead man the moment he stepped out onto a long bridge with an army of storm troopers and his son waiting there. Even if Bed had agreed and gone with him, the army of soldiers would have blasted him to smithereens. Hell we took our mother along to see it and even she quietly whispered “he’s a dead man…” and started sniffling,

  • greedo

    January 11, 2016 at 9:04 pm

    I was dragged out to see this by family, and I must say… what a terrible movie. I love Star Wars to death, but this isn’t really an SW movie. It’s more like J.J. Abrams conception of what SW should be like. It’s a mess. It basically is a series of action scenes all strung together. Not saying that there’s no plot, but once you get to the middle of the movie, it all breaks down. Just when the movie starts to get going, it kind of smacks into a brick wall. It’s like they suddenly said, “Oh, gee, it’s time to get the bad guys now! I don’t want to make this into an essay, but I’ll make a few brief points: 1) Who is Ren, and what is Jakku? Why is it so important that she gets there? It’s never explained. 2) Why does Ren all of a sudden have the ability to use the Force, when it’s clear that she’s never seen a Jedi in her life? Even Ren said that she was undisciplined and needed training, so why make her act as if she’s known all along how to use it?

    • greedo

      January 11, 2016 at 9:17 pm

      Ah, it won’t let my post my comments, so I’ll do it rapid fire: 3) That guy from the beginning of the film, BB-8’s owner. Disposable. Serves no real purpose, other than just to be there. 4) Quicksand? In a desert that dry? 5) Luke’s lightsaber? Where did it come from?

      • greedo

        January 11, 2016 at 9:21 pm

        And finally, 6) Han’s death. This was the most controversial part of the film, and the part that I had the most trouble with. It was well scripted, but they basically treated Han like a redshirt. The only real purpose it served was for him to act like Obiwan. It didn’t really serve a purpose to the film, other than to serve Kylo Ren’s character. I could go on forever, but you get the point. Overall, it was a mess. Poorly scripted, poorly thought through, and just not worthy of the franchise. Never thought I’d find a movie that would make me appreciate Phantom Menace, but this 1 was it.

    • greedo

      January 12, 2016 at 2:29 pm

      Just a clarification on point 1. I meant Rey, not Ren. Sorry.

  • Paulballsftw

    January 14, 2016 at 10:33 pm

    I just saw the movie the other day and I can see the girl being the new Luke and the Finn being the new Han Solo. He was there as a side kick to the girl who ends up being a Jedi. I am wondering if they will come out saying the girls grandfather being the emperior or something like that. I also thought it was weird that after Ren took off his mask he never put it back on during the fight and it made him look weak. With the mask on he did look tough so they should of had it on him during the fight. But then he should of not lost though so I guess having him maskless to make him easier to make her win the fight is good so I guess I see where they were getting at.

    • greedo

      January 17, 2016 at 5:38 pm

      You know something? You make a good point about Kylo Ren and the mask. I know why they did it, but they should have left it on, anyway. It’s more interesting when you don’t know who the villain is. At the very least, they should have left it until the next movie!

  • Wildside50

    January 27, 2016 at 11:20 pm

    There is an example of a non-force user wielding a lightsaber in each of the trilogies. Han Solo in Empire and General Grievous in Clone Wars. Both used it like any other sharp sword; Han to cut something open and Grievous as a trained and skilled swordsman.

  • February 9, 2016 at 3:38 pm

    I look down on this movie because I thought they would do better. I give this star wars movie 2/10 because I feel like there was no original idea in this whole movie, some parts but they were not good ones to continue this great movie time line. I do not pay any atention to any of the books at all with this time line. This is going to shit just because of Disney taking over the greatest movie saga ever. That’s my say I won’t change what I feel. This will be the begin of a fall of a great saga. I’m sorry you had to read my thoughts of this movie but it will be shit one day.

  • February 9, 2016 at 3:47 pm

    2/10 I hated this movie. It was not original at all and what happend to the lightsaber I don’t know. Everyone else that’s a fan boy for this movie think it is so great. I can’t stand people not being original with a story line. I’m sorry this “movie” is another new hope.

  • February 29, 2016 at 4:21 pm

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  • Zee

    October 6, 2016 at 11:43 pm

    Mike said Han should have died a heroic death. Maybe your not a parent so it may not have crossed your mind. But he risked his life in an attempt to help save his son. That is HEROIC. He new his son was evil. He new his son could easily kill him yet he put his sons well being ahead of his own. Is’nt that what hero’s do? Place others above themselves.

  • Zee

    October 7, 2016 at 12:06 am

    Leia tells them to go to Alderaan because that doesnt divulge the true locations of the base just in case the droid is captured. If R2 was captured the empire would not know the true location. Also she NEVER tells TArkin to go to Alderaan. He just goes there as a means to get the trueth.

  • Zee

    October 7, 2016 at 12:24 am

    It is not required to be a jedi/sith to use a light saber. Han does it in empire to cut open the Tauntaun. Many other no-force people use them in some of the books. Its no different than a real sword. Anyone can pick up a real sword and swing it and so to a saber. However with the force a person is able to use it much better. Also you guys talk about Kylo’s mask having no purpose. Well just as the appearance of Han, the Millennium Falcon, and others is a nod to movie fans so to is the mask to old and new cannon fans. Many non film sith characters use them and Kylo’s mask greatly resembles one of the most popular book characters. His name is Revan. Revan has been in several books and many video games. You guys should no this .

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