Is it Horror?

Mike Matei / October 10th, 2015

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  • cradossk

    October 10, 2015 at 3:10 am

    great videos guys cant wait for the next

    • y2j420

      October 10, 2015 at 8:17 am

      Horror is relative…Arachnophobia, while technically a dark comedy, can be considered a horror film to those that a deathly afraid of spiders…

      • October 10, 2015 at 1:32 pm

        Well then technically, so can Spiderman.

    • October 12, 2015 at 10:59 am

      Schindlers list? FICTION
      Godzilla? SciFi

  • Desslok

    October 10, 2015 at 3:19 am

    There’s always a weird balance between what is and isn’t. And then you have companies like Scream! Factory releasing flicks like Escape from New York or Robojox – great flicks, but puzzling why they’re under the Scream! banner.

    • KevinT1149

      October 10, 2015 at 8:27 am

      Scream Factory has two seperate labels. Scream Factory and Shout Factory. I don’t know what Robojox is labled but I know for sure Escape from New York is under their Shout Factory label. Scream Factory is stricktly their Horror film line all their horror movies are under Scream Factory. Shout Factory is all Action films and I know Escape is under Shout not Scream.

      • October 10, 2015 at 9:19 am

        Escape from New York is definitely under the SCREAM FACTORY label, as is Robot Jox. Whether or not it should be is up for debate.

      • Desslok

        October 10, 2015 at 10:38 am

        I’m looking at my new EoNY disc right now, and it very much came from Scream! not Shout!.

        Mind you, I don’t care when we get great movies like EoNY, Assault on Precinct 13, They Live and so on – just that releasing them as horror slightly muddies the waters.

      • October 11, 2015 at 12:00 pm

        Maybe because it’s from John Carpenter. Even though not all of his movies are horror, many of them are so Scream Factory put it out solely on that basis.

  • October 10, 2015 at 3:43 am

    Well this sure gives a perspective of things.

  • pikmintaro

    October 10, 2015 at 3:52 am

    I’m kind of confused on their reasoning that if a movie has too much science fiction then it can’t be a horror movie, I mean if it’s a “horror movie” then no matter what setting it’s in and no matter how much science is in it, it’s still a horror movie, being a science fiction movie won’t change that (And I’d argue that Alien had much more of a Science Fiction setting than the original Thing movie also.), can’t a movie have both horror and science fiction at the same time? I just don’t think it’s so Black and White, but these guys are the experts on it, so my opinion doesn’t really matter anyways, and even after watching a ton of horror movies and playing tons and tons of horror games I’ve never actually felt scared watching or playing any of them, sometimes I might be a bit disturbed or unsettled, but there was an incident in my life where I was truly afraid and terrified for my life, so that might be why I’ve never gotten scared by a Horror movie/game, although I still love them for the monsters and atmosphere.

    Also Godzilla might not be scary to modern day Americans, but to the Japanese back in 1954 with the Atomic Bomb fresh in their minds it was absolutely horrifying, although of course I wouldn’t really consider it to be a “horror movie” nowadays.

    Also James I know you like Godzilla and Gamera, have you heard of the new ones that are being made? Toho is making another Godzilla movie right now, and the trailer for the new Gamera movie came out yesterday at Comic-con.

    Thanks for everything you guys do!

    • October 10, 2015 at 4:01 am

      I believe they classified Alien as “Science fiction with horror elements” or whatever. So they know a movie can have more than one genera.

      • October 10, 2015 at 9:21 am

        I’ve always classified Alien as distinctly BOTH Horror/ Sci Fi

    • MrPlow3

      October 10, 2015 at 12:08 pm

      I agree, especially Mike’s take on Frankenstein.

      I just rewatched it last night. It’s a horror film, period. The monster in this is not sympathetic like he is in Bride of Frankenstein.

      Also your take in the villagers is I could not disagree with more Mike. How would they know the monster killed the little girl by accident? Even today, pretend you had a kid and you found her drowned by some friggin creature. I guarantee Mike would be leading the torch and pitchfork pack, as would any of us.

      Frankenstein at it’s heart is a morality tale warning of the dangers of man playing God. The results are a monster that kills people.

      In Bride the monster is a VERY tragic figure, no question. In the original not so much.

    • October 10, 2015 at 3:30 pm

      I think the debate was more “which element is more dominant, horror or sci-fi?” All those films have horror elements which is why they were brought up.

  • David Gabriel

    October 10, 2015 at 4:08 am

    I think a really importent aspect of what was seen as horror back then and what is seen as horror today has a lot to do with what we see ona daily basis, in the 30s there was no fox news for example and other stuff like that, nowadays people are just used to such graphic violence so therefore the horror films have to be more explicit.

    • Xen11

      October 10, 2015 at 6:49 am

      Well, you did have American Propaganda about war. So that’s always been a thing. Horrific to an aware individual, of which there are few, still to this day. Because you have a corrupt world leading the zombie masses of humanity.

      • Nadirion

        October 10, 2015 at 12:09 pm

        Absolutely.

  • fcabanski

    October 10, 2015 at 4:19 am

    Monster Madness isn’t just about horror. One year it was Godzilla movies.

    • The Kaleidoscopic God

      October 10, 2015 at 5:54 am

      Indeed! They’ve done Teen Wolf, Young Frankenstein, Beetlejuice, Infra-Man… Horror THEMED is always what I took to be the criteria; not necessarily scary movies but something involving monsters of some description. And I don’t say that just because of the name.

  • Don Skiver

    October 10, 2015 at 4:21 am

    I don’t know if I like the way you guys defined “horror”. By your guys’ definition, you could make the case and argument for just about anything being considered horror.

    I feel like if you guys laid out a minimum set of criteria that needed to be met, and perhaps divided horror into a couple of sub-types (like body horror, or psychological horror) then this video would have been much much more thought provoking, in my humble opinion.

  • October 10, 2015 at 4:26 am

    horror comedies right? Those movies are both horror and comedy. I have one question though. Is this the closest we’re going to get to an Eraserhead review? I was kind of hoping to see an Eraserhead review and see what James thought of it.

  • October 10, 2015 at 4:30 am

    This was an interesting episode. I think movies like Frankenstein, The Thing from Another World, and Alien can be more than one genre. horror comedies right? Those movies are both horror and comedy. I have one question though. Is this the closest we’re going to get to an Eraserhead review? I was kind of hoping to see an Eraserhead review and see what James thought of it.

  • fcabanski

    October 10, 2015 at 4:31 am

    Odd that a movie buff like James didn’t see Passion of the Christ.

    • Nadirion

      October 10, 2015 at 11:44 am

      Is that a joke? It really doesn’t surprise me that James hasn’t seen that movie.

      • MrPlow3

        October 10, 2015 at 12:25 pm

        Why? It made like 500 gabillion at the box office I thought everyone saw it.

    • TheFreakMachine

      July 14, 2016 at 3:55 pm

      That’s beacause it’s a bad movie. Not in the “so-bad-it’s-good” cathegory. And it’s not funny.

  • Rennie Page

    October 10, 2015 at 4:37 am

    Alien is a horror movie. It’s claustrophobia, being alone, and being stalked by a killer alien. Yes it’s science fiction bcuz aliens havnt been proven yet (supposedly) but it’s terrifying. If a movie has terrifying elements it’s a HORROR. Without a doubt

  • JJTwinDragon

    October 10, 2015 at 4:52 am

    I think Pan’s Labyrinth would have been a good candidate for this list as it combines the fantasy, horror and war film genres. It seems like you were focussing on films that had a bigger emphasis on the sci-fi horror divide.

    • October 10, 2015 at 7:03 am

      Second that! Pan´s Labyrinth should be reviewed by James any time soon. Great movie, thanks for bringing that up!

      • Nadirion

        October 10, 2015 at 11:44 am

        +1

  • Jurek Malottke

    October 10, 2015 at 5:23 am

    The definition that has always worked for me is that a horror movie is basically a movie in which fear is the main subject. Now that would make “Eraserhead” a horror movie since it deals with David Lynch’s own fear of fatherhood (to which I can totally relate!).

  • Mark Ruzicka

    October 10, 2015 at 5:31 am

    A horror movie is a movie designed to scare or frighten you. Most of the movies debated in this video don’t fall into that category. Saying Silence of the Lambs was horror seems silly to me.

  • October 10, 2015 at 5:39 am

    Hey i was waiting for the “eraserhead”!

  • October 10, 2015 at 5:39 am

    A great subject. The thing about post-post-modernism (cause even post-modernism is a little bit dated nowadays) is that we don’t really have clear genres. Each movie is a multy-genre, a genuine subject of at least five genres/sub-genres. For example “Hostel” is a splatter, a slasher, a co-called “torture porn” (not a fan of such term, but it does the job), horror, thriller and a mystery all in one. With shades of black comedy every now and then.

  • October 10, 2015 at 5:43 am

    Also, I kind of disagree about “Requiem for a Dream” being a movie you only watch once, not because I re-watch it often (though I know a few people who do), but because I tried numerous times and that is one of the few movies I failed to see from start to finish yet, others being, for example each of the three “Lord of the Rings” and “Arizona Dream” for some reason. I also underwatched “Easy Rider”.

  • October 10, 2015 at 5:48 am

    Great topic! It’s a debate I have with myself often.

  • October 10, 2015 at 5:53 am

    Mulholland Drive is probably the scariest movie I’ve seen and it’s definitely not traditional horror.

    • October 10, 2015 at 6:09 am

      Well, Lynch is always kind of beyond the traditional genres.

    • Nadirion

      October 10, 2015 at 11:45 am

      Yes that movie is quite creepy.

      • Nadirion

        October 10, 2015 at 12:05 pm

        And quite good.

  • Mark Knight

    October 10, 2015 at 6:05 am

    James Rolfe is the grandma of black and white movies that we don’t care about!!! Where’s the T and A and legs in those flicks!!! Who cares about a movie that was too censored to show some cool kills?

  • Fred . Fuchs

    October 10, 2015 at 6:11 am

    I don’t consider “The silence of the lambs” an horror movie because it doesn’t have much scary scenes, it’s more a detective movie.
    A movie that’s not considered horror but I do is “The Road” (2009).
    The Jack and Jill part was hilarious.

  • October 10, 2015 at 6:21 am

    Shit like Hostel and Saw are not really “horror”. They’re just gore porn, torture porn. They’re meant to be shocking for shocking’s sake, to disturb and disgust. “Horror” is supposed to creep you out or scare you a bit. Not make you want to barf or feel very uncomfortable or disturbed.

  • caffeineadvocate

    October 10, 2015 at 6:42 am

    Splice? Duel? Gremlins? When I saw Gremlins in the horror section of the video store as a kid, it blew my mind. …could have sworn it was a Christmas movie.

    • Nadirion

      October 10, 2015 at 11:46 am

      Splice was fucking horrible.

  • Nintendomaniac

    October 10, 2015 at 7:52 am

    Whether a movie is horror or not, depends on the intent of the movie. Movies like “Passion of the Christ” and “Schindler’s List” are dramas. They may have horrific things in them, but they are intended to make viewers feel emotional, not frightened. Movies like “Frankenstein” and “The Thing from Another World” were intended to scare people, so they are horror movies despite having strong sci-fi elements in them. Something like “Silence of the Lambs” would be considered a thriller, but not horror. While it may have disturbing things in it, the movie’s intention is not to scare people.

  • jasonjrf

    October 10, 2015 at 8:17 am

    Holy shit go watch Requiem right now Mike, then go watch Spun. They are both awesome. And with the MoM that is happening right now all over the U.S. Almost exactly like that Doctors not paying attention and over prescribing.

  • bud

    October 10, 2015 at 8:22 am

    This is a great topic. Sometimes there’s a fine line between horror, sci-fi, thriller or action. Even some horror comedies, it’s hard to determine whether it’s horror or comedy. Interesting that you mentioned Requiem for a Dream was a horror, because it’s the scariest movie I’ve ever seen.

    • bud

      October 10, 2015 at 8:26 am

      Schindler’s List and Passion of the Christ are both definitively classified as dramas though, despite the horror that’s being depicted on-screen. (Perhaps because it’s considered in a historical context, and we already know what’s coming.) I always think of Dracula and Frankenstein as horror because they’re always branded as Universal Horror, even though they’re completely tame by today’s standards.

  • KevinT1149

    October 10, 2015 at 8:30 am

    Hey Mike or James if you see this I requested this last year when the last episode of Monster Madness last year had a request a Indy horror movie I requested Lord of Tears that came out a couple years ago which is a pretty decent gothic horror movie that really feels like it a horror film from the 50s. If you check it out I would love to see what you guys thought about it and I really would like to get the word out there about this movie for horror fans.

    • KevinT1149

      October 10, 2015 at 8:34 am

      Also could Clockwork Orange be in this debate? The rape scene was horrific but what they do to Alex towards the end I always thought it could potentially be a horror movie in a way. Alex and his group intend harm on others so that has been something I kinda thought about. I put the film in my horror section on my DVD shelf but it also contains other thrillers as well.

  • October 10, 2015 at 8:39 am

    very interesting video. a movie that scares me even though it’s not really considered a horror movie is psynechdoche new york, it’s a movie about fear of making mistakes, living a pointless life, frustrated, and then dying alone, sick, never getting to know the person you’ll love and never getting to finish your life’s projects, and having your family destroyed by problems

  • Cilliandrew

    October 10, 2015 at 8:48 am

    I think science fiction and horror lend themselves to each other pretty naturally. Many times science fiction is employed to show us a cautionary tale of where our current technologies may lead us if we keep going ‘down that road’, and quite often it winds up being pretty scary.

  • Cilliandrew

    October 10, 2015 at 8:54 am

    Requiem for Dream is definitely one of the most disturbing films you will ever see. Especially the final 10 minutes when you see how everyone winds up…

    • October 10, 2015 at 9:17 am

      I wouldn’t call Requiem a horror movie, but I can see why some might say it is. Mostly because of the refrigerator.

  • Kevin McLaughlin

    October 10, 2015 at 8:59 am

    What about Cronenberg’s The Fly? Science Fiction heavy as well.

    His other movies like Scanners, Videodrome & Naked Lunch?

  • October 10, 2015 at 9:15 am

    Genres are subjective. They also aren’t exclusive. Few movies can be defined by a single genre.

    Dracula can be called a “supernatural thriller,” but it’s also definitely a horror movie. Many thrillers are horror.

    Sci-Fi can absolutely be horror. For example, Event Horizon is a sci-fi horror. Sunshine is a sci-fi horror. Etc.

  • GoldenTurtle

    October 10, 2015 at 9:32 am

    Nice video fellas

  • lghyourinmaru

    October 10, 2015 at 9:49 am

    Why does pretty much every video on this site crash after you pauze it for a longer period of time? 🙁

    • October 10, 2015 at 10:34 am

      The player is ASSSSSSSSSS! I’ve been saying this for a long time, but I don’t think they have any interest in changing it.

    • Nadirion

      October 10, 2015 at 11:48 am

      It could be the new HTML 5 player that YouTube videos use. You could try downloading the YouTube Flash Player add-on that forces YouTube to play videos in flash.

      • October 10, 2015 at 11:51 am

        Isn’t this JW player or something? Would that force JW to switch to flash or would it only affect youtube videos?

      • October 10, 2015 at 11:52 am

        Guess there’s only one way to find out!

  • Dr. Breakfastmachine

    October 10, 2015 at 10:31 am

    I think you can largely solve the issue by listing movies by multiple genres but listing those genres in order of how prevalent they are. So my classifications would be

    The Thing From Another World- sci-fi horror
    Alien- horror sci-fi
    Silence of the Lambs- horror crime
    Jurassic Park- sci-fi action horror (which is also what I’d call Aliens and Predator)
    Frankenstein- horror sci-fi
    Godzilla- sci-fi horror
    Eraserhead- surrealist horror
    Requiem for a Dream- haven’t seen it
    Taxi Driver- haven’t seen the whole thing
    Schindler’s List- drama
    Mommy Dearest- haven’t seen it
    Passion of the Christ- haven’t seen it
    Jack and Jill- abomination formed of all evil in the world, outside of humanly comprehensible genres or classifications

  • Tizzad

    October 10, 2015 at 11:03 am

    This episode worked better, but that’s because it’s an open conversation. Having said that, James it seems like you’ve obviously thought a lot more about this topic than Mike. So the question then becomes, what exactly is the conversation? Are you trying to complicate horror as a genre for Mike, or are you both trying to flesh out some generic form called “horror”?

    I’m not going to comment too much on the conversation itself. But why not relate these issues in film to other, earlier, genre forms like the novel (poem, play, etc)? For example, relations to the gothic (where the tropes of your “house” films come from in large part, as do the kinds of terror, the mysteries, etc), the elegy (where the dead are concurrent with, or proximal to, the living–etc)? Gothic literatures evolved into the 19th century novel form that spawn some of the films you’re speaking of – Frankenstein, Dr. Jekyll and Mr Hyde, Dracula, and so on. Or why not go further and address the interpretations, adaptions, and so on, of old folklore (urban legends, even)? There are roots you might follow to flesh out the genre form of the horror film, especially in the silent film and mid-century eras. As horror evolved on film it took on different guises and went in different directions, that is certainly true. But I don’t see the point, really, in qualifying or complicating other genres of film with horror – you might have simply come to rest on the idea that horror tropes co-exist and co-constitute other genres of modern film.

    I’m not a student of film like you are, James, but it seems like these kinds of conversations have a built-in limitation. The question “is it horror” might just as well end up being “sometimes” or “occasionally” for many films, and for those films that seem like “horror films” would also have those “occasionally not” moments. It seems like the “it” of horror, having been complicated, need not be found or defined as such.

    I get it, it’s all off-the-cuff and it’s an experiment. This was certainly, at least, something of a better conversation, if not a bit out of place. I just wonder if conversations like these show how doing even a little bit of planning might make for a more interesting back and forth. For example, if you’re willing to qualify horror as a genre in film as being derived from the Gothic, then you might be able to find those old forms in modern film and think through how they’ve changed. Not academically or anything, just in the way you have above. That at least denies that tired old argument about what fits and doesn’t under an umbrella that’s obviously very large today.

  • October 10, 2015 at 11:22 am

    I’ll pause to load the video, and then the video will stop loading as soon as I pause it. This video player sucks fucking assssssss.

  • Shannon Gold

    October 10, 2015 at 12:04 pm

    I agree with James that horror (in a sense) is a time thing. I just recently watched “A Clock Work Orange” the other day with friends of mine and we were laughing all the way through it. What was shocking then isn’t so shocking now but it was still a good movie to watch. Malcolm McDowell gives an excellent performance as Alex.

  • October 10, 2015 at 12:05 pm

    I think your overanalyzing the movies over the genre, you have to remember that when someone asks for a scary horror movie and they don’t know what horror movies are then it becomes more black and white.

    Typically Horror movies have high body count against a clearly scary unstoppable killer antagonist who takes out other characters in the film without heavy mystery involved.

  • Nadirion

    October 10, 2015 at 12:05 pm

    James, at some point you should review “The Catcher” from 1998.

  • Smashole

    October 10, 2015 at 12:36 pm

    More like “Is it invisible like all the other videos?”
    YES!
    Please do something about this, guys, I’m REALLY starting to get annoyed by it.

    • Nadirion

      October 10, 2015 at 12:56 pm

      What exactly do you mean? I was having a different problem with the videos on here and on YouTube (it was the HTML 5 player), so I downloaded the YouTube Flash Player and that fixed the problem. Not sure if that will help you, but it’s worth a try.

      • Smashole

        October 20, 2015 at 1:10 pm

        What do I mean? GO FUCK YOUR FATHER, that’s what I mean!

  • JayRam

    October 10, 2015 at 12:43 pm

    Not what I was expecting for a Monster Madness video, but I’m OK with that: it made me start to think about some of the movies I own and the categories to which they belong. On the other hand, it might just be easier to say that filmmakers are inspired by different films, so it’s only natural to include those unique tropes from separate genres into one story, without it necessarily fitting the bill for a particular group. Hell, look at AVGN: The Movie. But a fun conversation nonetheless.

    As for Requiem for a Dream, man, that one was hard to take. It just might be the only movie I’ve seen that’s so good, I care to only see it once.

  • Solitary

    October 10, 2015 at 1:06 pm

    I think your premise is wrong. Horror is not a scary movie, but a movie that is intended to scare you. The intension is important. This way you are covering even the horror movies that are not scary for various reasons – maybe they are too old, or just plain bad or just did not hit you on personal level (this way it’s not relative and subjective opinion). Although it will ultimately disqualify movies like Silence of the lamb, because I don’t believe that movie is intended to be scary… it’s intension is more likely to be disturbing and suspensful. Sure, some people might find that disturbing imagery scary too, but that’s on them. You would hardly call clown horrific even though lot of people are actually scared of them… their true intension is actually the opposite, they are suppose to be funny.

    • Nadirion

      October 10, 2015 at 1:20 pm

      But clowns can be the centerpiece of a horror movie… but yes I agree with you. Wikipedia says it pretty well I think: “Horror is a film genre seeking to elicit a negative emotional reaction from viewers by playing on the audience’s primal fears. Inspired by literature from authors like Edgar Allan Poe, Bram Stoker, and Mary Shelley, horror films have, for more than a century, featured scenes that startle the viewer. The macabre and the supernatural are frequent themes, and may overlap with the fantasy, supernatural fiction and thriller genres. Horror films often deal with viewers’ nightmares, fears, revulsions and terror of the unknown. Plots within the horror genre often involve the intrusion of an evil force, event, or personage, commonly of supernatural origin, into the everyday world.”

      • Nadirion

        October 10, 2015 at 1:24 pm

        So I think it’s mainly about fear, not disgust.

      • Solitary

        October 10, 2015 at 1:43 pm

        I think that actually proves the point, because if clowns are scary to many people, it makes sense to actually use them in horror movies with the intension to scare.

  • james walden

    October 10, 2015 at 1:43 pm

    Showgirls! Absolutely terrifying!

  • gattz

    October 10, 2015 at 1:56 pm

    Eraserhead mostly falls under surrealism for me although it definitely has body horror elements as well. Not as much as a Cronenberg movie, but the nightmare scenes and the mutated baby/fetus is definitely straight body horror.

  • October 10, 2015 at 2:34 pm

    Mike, get on seeing Requiem for a Dream ASAP. Just make sure you don’t have anything to do after it. I’m not BS-ing when I say that that movie was one of the few that really screwed with my head and left me with a deep-seated, lasting unease.

  • October 10, 2015 at 3:29 pm

    hiiii

  • CrushingC10996WM

    October 10, 2015 at 3:44 pm

    I’ll tell you one thing I’m definitely scared to watch Jack & Jill

  • alex barber

    October 10, 2015 at 3:56 pm

    For any future monster madness videos, I would love to see Cannibal Holocaust. It’s one of the most if not THE most fucked up movie I’ve ever seen. It was once banned in nearly 50 countries. But at the same its a masterpiece, its ridiculous how much controversy it has. If James or Mike has never seen it, I recommend it, it would be one hell of a monster madness video.

  • danecookhater

    October 10, 2015 at 4:14 pm

    It all depends on what the intent of the movie is. If it intends to scare you, it is a horror movie, if not, it isn’t. That is not to say the movie always succeeds,but that is really irrelevant. Movies can have blend elements of different kinds of movies i.e. horror-comedy, action-adventure, etc. but they generally fall into the latter genre. For instance, Horror-comedies are really comedies with some horror elements played for comedic effect. Schindler’s List was intended as an anti-white propaganda movie. The so-called holocaust (which should really be called the ‘hollowco$t’ because when you investigate it you find it is hollow, there is nothing to it and it costs a whole lot of fucking money)is bullshit and is used to justify the genocide of the white race. I consider Schindler’s List to be a historical fiction comedy movie with propagandistic elements.

  • October 10, 2015 at 5:25 pm

    Jack and Jill is most definitely a horror movie! Requiem for a Dream is a great movie!

  • October 10, 2015 at 6:35 pm

    damn, deep cut citing Schindler’s List as horror, James. doesn’t get much more horrific than the holocaust. interesting topic of discussion

  • Jackred89

    October 10, 2015 at 6:42 pm

    I think horror should be very difficult to predict. Filled with many twists & turns while having an good variety to work with. Which is why Tales from The Crypt show literately screams Halloween.

  • October 10, 2015 at 7:00 pm

    The Fantastique is a French term for a literary and cinematic genre that overlaps with science fiction, horror, and fantasy.

    Fantastique is any movie which combines elements of Sci-Fi, Horror, Fantasy such as the Ray Harryhausen movies, Dinosaur movies, Kaiju, 50’s Alien movies etc etc all of those have mixed of those 3, the fact people are getting killed or eaten or there is a monster doing destruction can be the horror element.. Even the Lord of the Rings movies have a dark gothic feel to some of the architecture and creatures, so it’s no stranger to horror.

    Then there is movies such as Silence of the Lambs, Hannibal which many go into detail about how it’s a crime thriller, well the quote from Greg Nicotero is “any movie involving a guy who eats another guy’s brain or kills other people in a horrific way can be considered horror” it doesn’t have to be a straight forward horror movie, but it can have horror element to it.

    With the release of the new Goosebumps movie, which looks like a comedy movie for kids rather than a frightening one, it’s sad to see that film makers don’t understand how to make a horror movie for families to enjoy, and people seem to think there is no horror for families to enjoy, and they forget it was done with Gremlins, Monster Squad, Kller Klowns, heck even the original Goosebumps books/TV show were considered horror, they are still frightening, it’s just the concepts are a little sillier than serial killers and abundance of gore. someone could be gobbled up by a monster instead of ripped to pieces by it for example, the monster could be a killer garden gnome or something.

    Then there is monster movies, which usually means ‘creature feature’ but also movies such as Psycho and the Invisible Man have characters which can be considered a monster, they are not creatures, but the definition of monster can also mean a human who is capable of doing evil things, and I’d suspect to see Norman Bates and Jack Torrence etc in a movie monster encyclopedia on a ‘human’ category. Magazines such as Famous Monsters of Film Land always combined all these types of movies together.

    Lastly, everyone has their own fears, some people would find RATS: The Nights of Terror scary, some would find Kingdom of the Spiders scary, some would find the movie DOLLS scary, some would find The Haunting to be scary there is different movies which would scare different people and just because one person isn’t frightened or creeped out by it, doesn’t stop it from being a horror.

  • Sean

    October 10, 2015 at 8:48 pm

    Was that someone’s phone going off at 8:16?

  • Pablo1989

    October 10, 2015 at 9:26 pm

    Silence of lambs are Psychological horror rather pure horror

  • Doug Fisher

    October 10, 2015 at 10:29 pm

    Making a living playing videogames and bullshitting about movies in contrast with my 9 to 5 is what I call horror.

  • MrBrrumpkins

    October 10, 2015 at 10:55 pm

    ok. You guys were flip flopping your opinions all over the place. Is the advertising on Youtube worth these ‘Let’s Talk’ videos. And did you put your Alien review on Youtube and just cut-out the clips from the movie? C’mon. I know copyright guys, but really..My brother is a movie buff and I told him about James’ Monster Madness at Cinemassacre. He enjoys it, but I told him this year they are doing these non-review videos. He said, “Oh yeah, I noticed that.” haha. Anyways, it would be awesome if you reviewed some of the titles mentioned in this video.

  • October 10, 2015 at 11:35 pm

    This video made me realize something, James: You must be running out of good or well-known horror movies to review.

  • therogue20

    October 11, 2015 at 12:03 am

    Anybody know where I can buy a Monster Madness T-Shirt that Mike is wearing???

  • Mac Tonight

    October 11, 2015 at 12:38 am

    Just watched insidious chapter 3 and is there such a thing as too many jump scares? I would say yes if it seems like it’s getting in the way of the story, I mean you know they’re coming but they still make you jump when they happen, I just felt they became more irritating than necessary when it came to this movie. I think a jump scare works better if its unexpected not forced upon the viewer for cheap scares.

  • ninjamohawk

    October 11, 2015 at 2:57 am

    To me, and I’m being honest here, Idiocracy is a horror movie of the modern era.

  • Darsis512

    October 11, 2015 at 4:22 am

    Man, my post did not show up… man, I don’t want to re-write the whole thing…

    • greedo

      October 13, 2015 at 1:58 pm

      If you type in the “f” word- no, not James’ favorite word, but the number, your post disappears. They have a spam filter set to delete those posts. Keep forgetting to exclude it- had the same thing happen to me that happened to you just know.

  • luci4

    October 11, 2015 at 5:42 pm

    Speaking of Mommy Dearest, they should do some reviews of the Horror subgenre “psychobiddy” like whatever happened to baby Jane starring Joan Crawford and Bette Davis.

  • Tyrone Dunston

    October 11, 2015 at 7:14 pm

    I always thought the original terminator movie had elements of horror.

  • Justin Weingartner

    October 11, 2015 at 8:39 pm

    You have to be subjective when defining horror. You can’t really use the thought that if it’s scary, it’s horror. You can take almost any movie and find parts that would be scary, if it were happening to you in real life. Die Hard, Commando, Saving Private Ryan, Tommy Boy, Harry and the Hendersons…no one would argue that these are horror movies, but each of them have scenes that would be terrifying if they actually happened to you.

    I think instead of saying, “is this movie scary?”, you should say “is the intent of the filmmaker to frighten the audience?” The music, the pacing, the lighting, the camera work…these elements also help tell the story on whether or not it’s horror. Predator is not a horror movie, even though it was very horrific for those people. Jaws may not have scared you, but that seemed like the intent to me.

    • October 12, 2015 at 11:18 am

      Mhm.. Interesting. I’d have to say too that they have different impression on kids or adults.

  • October 11, 2015 at 10:33 pm

    I would consider Horror, like Fantasy, a sub-genre of Science Fiction. Therefore, it could be argued that all Horror is Science Fiction.

  • xtrackt

    October 12, 2015 at 12:23 am

    Does Mike ever disagree with James? When James says “yeah” to something Mike says, there’s this unmistakable relief in Mike’s voice as he repeats “yeah”.

  • October 12, 2015 at 11:04 am

    I felt Devil Doll was pretty unsettling and spooky for the time.

  • October 12, 2015 at 11:15 am

    You guys are beating around the bush. The real question is: Is ‘horror’ movies a logical classification lol… It isn’t really. It just encompass in general without spoiling, but ultimately it’s not a good label. Labels are probably always relative and debatable

  • Killua Zaoldyeck

    October 13, 2015 at 6:16 am

    You named SAW, You really should review those movies *.*, at least the firts ones were very good and creative 🙂

  • spiderfrank22

    October 13, 2015 at 6:32 am

    With horror I think it’s all about the tone of the film. Jurassic Park could have been a horror movie if it was given a different tone; if they made it really grim and had more characters die than survive then it would have been horror. Instead, the majority of the characters survive and there’s a sense of wonder and enjoyment to offset the scary, suspenseful moments. This makes it a sci-fi adventure flick in my eyes.

  • October 13, 2015 at 9:08 am

    Great concept, you guys should do more of this playing around with Monster Madness.

  • Elwin Rijken

    October 13, 2015 at 12:22 pm

    I posted this in the review of ‘Silence of the Lambs’

    but here its more appropriat:

    When I was a kid and was in the vhs stores (in the Netherlands) to rent a scary film, the difference between the horror and thriller sections was found in the fact that the horror section provided supernatural evil and the thrillers section provided human evil. I hold that up as a difference and it works for me.

  • Jared Chase-Dunn

    October 13, 2015 at 11:27 pm

    Defining genre is not always easy. Genre is usually a means to categorize certain styles and topics of film, which is why so many films seem to have multiple genres and/or subgenres. Even in horror films you have slashers, monster, tragedies, suspense, etc… This video seems like a fun exercise for any film buff.

  • October 14, 2015 at 12:55 am

    This is a terrific little set of casual movie reviews. Mike seemed understandably embarrassed by the controversial choices of “Schindler’s List” and “Passion of the Christ”, but I think James was perfectly justified in bringing them up. Why not consider them horror films, however accurately based on history?

  • mandm

    October 14, 2015 at 2:37 pm

    The topic is funny for a discussion, and I think it’s also interesting to bring up movies that are normally not associated with that genre. But the sense of assigning a movie to a genre is in my opinion to recommend it to others or to filter films by interest. To widen a genre in this manner makes it arbitrary. Every movie has it’s tone which allows an assignment in a more or less clear way. Of course there are exceptions, but for example Schindlers List, Taxi Driver, Requiem for a Dream or The Passion of the Christ are Dramas. They focus on the personal fate and the agony, but not in an entertaining way. Between Thriller and Horror is a thin line. For me it’s about the personal feeling, whether you get afraid of the movie or whether it just captivates you.

  • Norteno del Sur

    October 15, 2015 at 12:09 pm

    I dont like this new style of Monster Madness videos because I dont like Mike. Hope next year James avoid it. THanks!

  • piratinflas

    October 16, 2015 at 7:18 pm

    I think the concept of horror is relative. For me the most true and pure horror films are the ones related to the supernatural, the occult what we don’t know or can’t explain (ghosts, creatures, demons, monsters, etc).
    I don’t consider gory-torture films like Hostal or Saw horror films, they are mostly shocking with suspense. Natural disasters or war films, got horrible situations but not horror for me. Requiem for a Dream is just drama, I mean, that’s not the kind of film that gives me chills while watching, is just depressing….. Maybe someone afraid of junkies would labeled it as horror. Just joking.

  • Cliff Peck

    October 20, 2015 at 12:10 pm

    Great video! was just having this debate the other day!

  • ChristianSCWS

    October 25, 2015 at 11:01 am

    James is brave for calling schindlers list horror. I think it is. Horror doesn’t have to be fantastical or even fictional. A true even heppened that was horrific. Make a movie about it. Show the horror, ensufre it doesn’t happen again through mass awareness.

  • Strider Tien

    October 27, 2015 at 2:07 am

    Silence of the Lambs is not a horror movie. Jurassic Park is not a horror movie. Godzilla is not a horror movie. Requiem For A Dream is not a horror movie. Taxi Driver is not a horror movie. Mommy Dearest is not a horror movie. The Passion of the Christ is not a horror movie. SCHINDLER’S LIST IS NOT A HORROR MOVIE!!!! I love Monster Madness but this video…..just….come on. I understand that we’re trying to identify film as horror or not via it’s usual symptoms but film doesn’t really work that way. I know Jurassic Park might have all the queues of a traditional horror movie but it’s not. It’s just not. It’s like K-Pax said about all creatures in the universe inherently knowing the difference between right and wrong(maybe it was good and evil, I forget), it’s like, you just KNOW what is and isn’t horror.

  • Ben_from_G-town

    October 31, 2015 at 9:56 pm

    That’s an interesting question and discussion. I would say just watch whatever movies you want and don’t worry about their genre.

  • Ty Palmer

    November 30, 2015 at 12:32 pm

    Very interesting video…

  • TheFreakMachine

    June 3, 2016 at 9:38 am

    This is what i think:

    Horror and thriller do overlap because are usually used as two different thing: thriller is about the genre while horror is abot the theme of the movie. There are thrillers, psychological-thrillers and horror-thrillers; on the other side there are horror-comedies and modern horror-romance.

    Horror can be seen as a genre too. That way any movie that is meant to scare you is horror. On the other side this theory leaves out all those movies that, in a way or another, because they’re funny or are bad, just can’t scare you.

  • Jacob Boeve

    October 23, 2016 at 6:45 pm

    Straight up sci-fi: Star Wars, Star Trek, ET
    The Thing From Another World isn’t “mostly sci-fi” because there’s a UFO in it.
    I’d say Silence Of The Lambs is more of a thriller.

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