Dark Knight Returns Thoughts by Mike Spoiler Alert

Mike Matei / February 6th, 2013

Mikes thoughts on the DC animated features Dark Knight Returns part one and two. CONTAINS SPOILERS

 

Note: It was explained to me that Bruce’s heart stops because of a pill that he swallows. Yes, that’s probably what it is. But I think it’s something where you’d have to watch the movie twice to understand. The first time you see that part, there’s no way you could second guess he’s taking the pill because he’s planning to give himself a heart attack. It makes sense upon multiple viewings. But I still say its confusing for first time viewers.

Comments

  • February 6, 2013 at 11:37 pm

    Mike I love these two movies! Thanks for reviewing them they need more press… I think they are better then the live action nolan movies!!! and first?!

  • tenchijin

    February 7, 2013 at 12:11 am

    im guessing that pill he took had something to do with his sudden heart attack

    • February 7, 2013 at 12:17 am

      I was just about to say it all had to do with the pill that he swallows, then he mutters 1 hour. I’m guessing in movie time that he is relaying to himself this all needs to be done within the hour or I could be completely wrong haha.

      • February 7, 2013 at 2:03 pm

        Oh, I thought he said “one hour” because thats when he was going to meet up with Superman to fight. That makes sense though.

    • February 9, 2013 at 1:46 am

      There ya go… He has the timer on his wrist and everything. He has it timed out to perfectly line up his heart attack with his defeat of Superman. I thought it was a great planning and forward thinking, but agree it wasn’t just out there what he did.

  • February 7, 2013 at 12:13 am

    Glad these Batman stories got an animated treatment. The only thing that annoyed me about them was how many times Batman gets shot at. The bullets literally surround his body. How do they always miss? And at close range! Maybe Batman has some kind of reversed magnet that pushes the bullets away like an invisible shield.

    • February 7, 2013 at 2:19 am

      Lol maybe he has that thing that Fortune has in MGS 2 or that the villains in comic books and movies definately need shooting lessons.

    • super.ca.i.n

      February 7, 2013 at 3:45 am

      Hey men, why do some comments dont get through? i have always had that problem on this site.

    • DoctorColossus

      February 7, 2013 at 7:09 am

      Yeah I noticed the same thing. In the 2000′s Justice League cartoons, Batman is alway using hit and run tactics, and hiding behind smoke or something else. Here, he’s just dodging bullets. I think the scene where he’s fighting the police on the roof of the talk show where the Joker is, is a good example. I mean, he has a whole army shooting at him, and he just runs away from it.

      • mike keith

        February 17, 2013 at 8:11 pm

        I have never watched any of these movies, but, I watch all of these guys reviews. so having said that, I’d like to mention that I always laugh when someone asks “why isn’t that so-and-so getting hit by a bullet?”. well, let me tell you, believe it or not, in real life, it is very hard to hit a moving target with a bullet, especially a machine gun, rapid fire causes the barrel to shake like crazy and bullets go everywhere, soldiers are trained for this, and are told to run in s pattern when possible.

    • LordJason1986

      February 7, 2013 at 12:41 pm

      it’s like how many explosions that Batman & Nightwing went through in Batman Under The Red Hood. dear god Red Hood had so many bombs set up in gotham city in that film. I wonder what you guys think of the 8 minute fan made film Batman Dead End. the cool thing is that recently Neca Toys released a figurine of the Big Red Predator that was featured in that fan film. he’s extremely cool since he is designed to look more samurai like with twin weilding katana’s and red armor. he even has gold gauyntlet blades on the opposite wrist. the joker , aliens , red armored predators , and a one on one battle of batman vs the predator , everything a comic book / sci-fi fan would ever want or need. plus , it has one of the best looking batman’s on screen.

    • February 7, 2013 at 1:09 pm

      The fact batman never gets fucking shot has is always an issue in pretty much any kind of batman media. Take the animated series for example, as amazing as it was, batman as well as robin get shot in nearly every episode and not once actually get hit. Of course, batman usually disarms the baddies with the baterang… but usually after they fire anywehre between 5 and 10 shots! Is this a censorship issue? Are they allowed to show an animated batman smashing someones god damn face in with his fist, but not allowed to show him clenching his arm and saying ” I’m hit”? They dont even have to show it, it can be infered!

    • February 7, 2013 at 2:13 pm

      How about no one in the police finding out his identity from the tons of blood that he’s spilled all over the place throughout the movies. They’re that one inept guard in Austin Powers 2 except it’s a whole police force lol.

      • Mitch Sturm

        July 23, 2013 at 2:42 am

        That’s because they have nothing to compare it to. He had his fingerprint and DNA records erased.

    • Mr.David

      February 10, 2013 at 3:51 pm

      James, you do know Bat-man is Bat-man, right?

  • Cinemassacre_Fan89

    February 7, 2013 at 1:28 am

    Any chance you guys will do a review of Batman: Mask of the Phantasm ?

    • February 7, 2013 at 2:14 pm

      I second that. Saw that in the movies when it came out in the theaters on Christmas Day.

      • Cinemassacre_Fan89

        February 8, 2013 at 3:06 pm

        Yeah, they should definitely take a look at some of the earlier Batman animated films: Mask of the Phantasm, Sub-Zero, Mystery of the Batwoman.

  • Spottedfeather

    February 7, 2013 at 1:58 am

    No Kevin Conroy, no good Batman movies.

    • February 11, 2013 at 5:01 pm

      I though I was the only one who though Kevin Conroy is Batman, also there was no Mark Hammil

  • bloodawn5

    February 7, 2013 at 3:31 am

    How about the hommenage to the Tim Burton Movies? If you see the movie where he´s testing the suit to fight Superman you can see him lift a pretty familiar car with his hand. I didnt notice this until the second time I saw it.

  • super.ca.i.n

    February 7, 2013 at 3:44 am

    and my comment?

  • super.ca.i.n

    February 7, 2013 at 3:45 am

    I cant believe you didnt mention Peter Weller (Robocop) voices Batman here. Thats a very interesting fact, i see it like Alex Murphy replacing Bruce Wayne as Batman. In fact, i made up a whole story about that many years ago so i was surprised to see it actually happened.

  • super.ca.i.n

    February 7, 2013 at 3:46 am

    Anyway, about the movie, i didnt like to have Superman here. Lets be fair, other than the fact they both belong to DC, they are completely UNRELATED characters.

  • super.ca.i.n

    February 7, 2013 at 3:47 am

    Why? because Batman is supposed to be a realistic story whereas Superman is completely fictitious. Imagine if Superman appeared in Nolan movies. Bad idea, huh? the same here. Its even more unrealistic to have Batman beat Superman, i mean… W­T­F?? no matter what Batman fa­nb­oy­s say, its IMPOSSIBLE.

    • Spottedfeather

      February 9, 2013 at 8:28 pm

      Not impossible. Superman gave Batman a big hunk of Kryptonite so that he could kill Superman in case he ever got out of control.

  • super.ca.i.n

    February 7, 2013 at 3:48 am

    You may say, mind over muscle, and yes, it i, and thats why Superman is even better, because aside from having super strength he has SUPER INTELLIGENCE, beyond ANY human being, including Batman. He also has knowledge far beyond him, because he was fed all the science wisdom of all the galaxies known at the time of Krypton destruction. Batman is limited to Earth only. So this “stupid” Superman incarnation is just not him.

  • super.ca.i.n

    February 7, 2013 at 3:49 am

    Sorry i have to break my comment down into many, but i couldnt get it through. Seemes like some words are filtered, such as “f­anb­oy”

  • Sardaukar Prime

    February 7, 2013 at 4:44 am

    Awesome review,Mike. I really wish somenbody would make a full lenght animated feature off Gotham Central,the short lived series about the GCPD.

  • Lukas Sprehn

    February 7, 2013 at 5:31 am

    This looks amazing guys! I really want to watch this now. Too bad Frank Miller would later get a brain parasite that would turn him into a supposed feminist that knows nada about how women react or look, and that his dialogue and plots would be come nonsensical and tedious! >_<

    Mike, James, have you seen Mask of Phantasm? I'd love to see a review of those :)

  • shane searle

    February 7, 2013 at 6:18 am

    Nice one Mike I shall b watching these Thanx for the tip

  • February 7, 2013 at 9:47 am

    didn’t even know about these movies till now, thanks mike.

  • February 7, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Cool, I haven’t seen these two yet, but DC has been doing a great job with their direct-to-video animated movies.

    I got the same Chronicles Collection that you show in the video. I got to say that the Golden Age Batman stories are my favorite.

  • Kenshiroh

    February 7, 2013 at 11:19 am

    The talk show host, David Endocrine, is played by Conan O’Brien.

  • Kenshiroh

    February 7, 2013 at 11:21 am

    Another stupid thing about these movies is that they made Catwoman a prostitute.

  • Kenshiroh

    February 7, 2013 at 11:23 am

    As for the quality of The Animated Series episodes, I’m guessing that they don’t have HD masters for those. To get Blu-Rays, they would have to go back and rescan the original film, like CBS is currently doing with Star Trek: The Next Generation.

    • Andrew Cone

      November 9, 2014 at 4:44 am

      True. I am so pissed that everybody talk about how cool Bob Kane was. But he was just stealing lying douche.

  • Omega-Envych

    February 7, 2013 at 11:59 am

    Thanks, Mike! You gave me a motivation to watch these movies.

  • February 7, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    Mike, that was a spot on review!

  • February 7, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    i think you should take the bat crashing through the window as a hallucination since the first time it happened he lost a lot of blood and in the dark knight returns it happens right after a long hallucinatory sequence.

  • February 7, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    Many adult animations are on Netflix from both DC and Marvel and they whoop-minge! Rad review, keep ‘em coming!

  • Milk

    February 7, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    Nice review Mike, just one thing: The Bat through the window and him talking to the Bat is symbolic.

  • dave dso

    February 7, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    awesome review , beside the pill error you made it cover the awesomeness of those 2 movie and pay tribute to the other batman movies which are by far my favorite dc animation movies , like others said the heart attack is caused by the pill , all an elaborate plan to let people think hes no longer alive (i dont remember if alfred took the pills tho) and i also agree with you that batman take and insane beating by the joker … even if hes a super hero i was sure he wouldn make it cause he got stabbed a couple of time , but its all part of why i like these movie so much : they are not scared of blood , unlike those pussy who made the silly batman lol

  • El Dentonio

    February 7, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    I just watched this movie the other day. I thoroughly enjoyed it. The Dark Knight Returns is one of my favorite books of all time.

  • True

    February 7, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    This review was freaking awesome!

  • February 7, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    to answer mike question why the quality are of movie and the show are different.well the movie was shot in high definition video.and the show was shot in standard definition master tape.they can’t convert standard master tape into high def.because tape can’t go high def.sorry mike but batman the animated series will never be in blu-ray unless they can find original film prints like they did star trek

    • February 7, 2013 at 5:03 pm

      Thats exactly what I meant. For them to go back to the film prints. A lot of shows aren’t worth the effort. But Star Trek TNG and Batman The Animated Series are.

  • February 7, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    Great review Mike and good that you’re spreading the word about DC’s animated movies. Every single one of them are great.

    One thing though. In The Dark Knight Returns Part 2, there is a scene where Bruce is shown making the chemical in front of Alfred which will cause his “heart attack” and revival. I guess you missed it or something. It does happen real quick because they wanted to surprise the audience. But I swear, its in there.

  • erik37

    February 7, 2013 at 6:06 pm

    yeah dude he does get the shit kicked outta him an he heals way to fast, i found that kinda weird an didnt care for that in the story that much, cause he gets fuckin fucked up lol

  • February 7, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    There is a difference between a review and a synopsis. You spent too much time just telling us what happens in the story. Also, you didn’t need to explain that Batman used to kill his enemies because that version of him is irrelevant. That’s like discussing 1940s superman vs. the current one. Another mistake you made was with the reason Batman retired. Jason Todd died a long time before he retired. He only decided to retire because of the pressure from the JLA and the gov’t. Also, the scene where the batman flew through the window wasn’t real. He was basically having a nervous breakdown and imagined it. One notable thing about Frank Miller’s Batman (seeing as how this is an elseworld’s story) is that he is psychologically unstable and prone to freak outs. His injuries had been treated before he went into the darkness of the cave. he clearly had bandages and a sling that he got from alfred. I think the show was a parody of Conan Obrien because Obrien voiced the actor in that scene. In the movie, it was clear that the pill he took was designed to mimics a heart attack. There’s nothing wrong with asking the audience to pay attention and use their brains. Despite all my criticisms, I think your reviews can improve. I just think you should think a little more critically about the items you review before reviewing them. That way you can offer an impression of the piece rather than just a synopsis.

    • February 7, 2013 at 11:20 pm

      The cup said David Endochrine. (clearly a parody of David Letterman) And his co host was clearly Paul Shaffer. How could you miss that? Its right there plain as day. Oh, that’s because you’re human. And sometimes people make mistakes. I forgot.
      Yes, this video was heavy on synopsis. I like to be thorough and give people a good idea of what they’re watching (or playing). When I review games, I like to include walkthroughs, though they are not required for the reviews. It’s something extra I do. Just like my lengthly synopsis that I gave. It’s something extra.
      Also, I definitely gave my impressions about these movies.
      I could have cut this video down to like 4 minutes and just had it be a “proper” review, with only my personal impressions. But nyeeeeaaaa, I don’t feel like it. =)

  • flippythemaster

    February 7, 2013 at 7:01 pm

    I agree that it would be nice to have a Blu Ray of Batman the Animated Series, but it’s not possible. You see, the whole series was cut on tape rather than film. So that’s the max resolution you’re gonna get, I’m afraid, as there’s no negative to go back to and remaster. You can tell that this is the case because they only released the Justice League cartoon and Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker on Blu, both of which were done with digipaint so all of the files were already computerized. It’s a shame, but dem’s the breaks.

  • February 7, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    Very good review Mike. I personally believe that if The Batman was giving the concept of using weapons ie guns to defeat his enemies he would just come off being as The Punisher. The Batman uses technology, martial arts, and knowledge which could be said as The Batman’s “super powers” while as The Punisher uses technology of weapons, martial arts from military training, and knowledge of war combat as his “super powers” aka Punisher Mode. The difference I feel which separates them is The Punisher uses villainous methods to do “good” and the end result is always death, while with The Batman, death is not ending results he wants to have tho a lot of people may have died in the process. Thats what I think

  • PresidentJenkins

    February 7, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    I agree that these animated Batman films have just been great entertainment, and I’m hoping to see a Dark Knight Strikes Again adaptation personally. Maybe even Batman vs Predator! :)

    That said, I think you took the bats too literally. To me, they were more just a part of Batman’s psychotic nature. Like a subconscious if you will. Also, someone already said it, but the pill was used to fake Batman’s death. That’s why he kept looking at the time, especially right before he put the finishing touch on Batman.

    • PresidentJenkins

      February 7, 2013 at 10:15 pm

      Also, I think they should’ve had Batman kill somebody once, but have it end up being the moment where he promises himself that he’ll never do it again.

  • Joker83

    February 7, 2013 at 9:23 pm

    Best direct adaptation of a comic book ever. These things are amazing

  • February 7, 2013 at 11:58 pm

    I thought it was obvious that Batman faked his death in Part 2. He was counting down the time during the fight. That was a dead give away to me. I’m surprised Mike thought it was confusing and unclear.

  • christburner

    February 8, 2013 at 3:09 am

    ahhhh come on mike. I can’t be the only one with a soft spot for West, Ward, and Romero ;) HOLY DVD BOX SET, BATMAN!

  • February 8, 2013 at 3:12 am

    Hey Mike are you planning on doing a review of under the red hood and a small sub review for the jonah hex short with it. I just want to know your thoughts on it.

  • TENHIGHJEDI

    February 8, 2013 at 9:19 am

    LOL I thought you were kool and then I saw your name and thought… you are a fuckin douche bag dirty dildo and “YOUR” name isn’t as awesome as mine!!! LOL Even Mike just shit on Rolfes face!! HAHAHAAAAA!!!

  • Jaredp_87

    February 8, 2013 at 10:07 am

    I actually found this to be quite helpful. I’ve seen “Under the Red Hood” and thought it was the best animated Batman work I’ve ever seen. I had no idea there were other similar films out there. Time to go look them up and see how to get my hands on them.

    • Jaredp_87

      February 8, 2013 at 10:14 am

      One other thing I’d like to say. Sure these films have a few annoyances (bats unrealistically flying through glass, Bruce talking to the bats, Batman conveniently being missed by every shot fired at him, etc.), but who cares? This is still some of the best Batman material in existence; overall it’s awesome. What film DOESN’T have minor flaws? There are many, MANY films more popular than these that take these similar flaws above and beyond “bad”, and they pale in comparison to these films.

  • Jack Burton

    February 8, 2013 at 7:31 pm

    I remember the Batman TAS ep where the kids were sitting around telling the Frank Miller stories and that same girl was Robin in her story, didnt they also do the batman-vs-superman and batman death thing in like the batman/superman public enemies movie or superman doomsday.

  • Ton Knee

    February 8, 2013 at 11:59 pm

    If I remember correctly in the animated version of the movie before he left to fight Superman he took some pills what I thought to be his medicine. But from what I would assume it to be Cyanide Pills to fake a heart attack.
    I guess that explains the whole fake death scene…But Alfred dies that isn’t that ironic.

  • February 9, 2013 at 12:01 am

    Fucking right. Both films were fantastic. Although I’m more of a Superman fanboy than a Batman fanboy, I will say that this paints a dark picture of what COULD happen if anyone other than Superman were in control of him or his powers. That’s why a lot of the stories make a big deal about his upbringing and the morals that were instilled in him by the Kents as a child. Awesome films. I’m going to watch Year One now. :D

  • February 9, 2013 at 1:48 am

    I am really surprised you didn’t comment on the voice acting at all. I thought it was good, but disliked the choice of Michael Emerson for Joker. This Joker is much more menacing, maniacal, and disturbed than most other interpretations of the character, yet Emerson’s voice didn’t really portray that. He was calm, cool, and collected the whole time, and I don’t think we ever got a laugh out of him. Rather disappointed with that, but otherwise, absolutely fantastic movies.

  • aireca

    February 9, 2013 at 9:57 am

    Those movies are pretty nice i would watch them over any of the live action anytime, there is some Nitpicking you can make but wtf cares

  • February 9, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    I think the only reason why I’ve not picked up the Dark Knight Returns (both parts) is simply due to the runtime: both of them are barely over an hour. If they released them both on one disc, I’d be all over it. Guess I’m waiting for them to arrive on Netflix.

  • February 9, 2013 at 10:55 pm

    Year One isn’t so much about bringing Bats back to his roots. Its sort of a retelling, re-imaging of Batman. Wasn’t meant to remake him thing for thing from the old days.

    • Hypoxic

      February 10, 2013 at 10:09 pm

      You are correct, sir.

  • Aaron1375

    February 10, 2013 at 5:16 am

    Yeah, I always have to roll my eyes a bit when Batman beats Superman. I like Bats better than Supes, but Batman has almost been taking out by many of his foes who for the most part aren’t super villains, but simply crazed psychopaths, but he can somehow take on an alien with near limitless strength and speed. I know Batman is intelligent, but it isn’t like Superman is retarded and has never fought an intelligent villain before.

    • Aaron1375

      February 10, 2013 at 5:17 am

      Nice review by the way.

  • Hypoxic

    February 10, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    Dark Knight Returns is the most overrated comic book of its generation. Frank Miller is a hack. For that reason alone, I haven’t bothered to watch the adaptation.

    I do agree though that DC is owning the market on superhero animated films. Now, with Superman: Unbound on the way, we can get the Flashpoint film done and move on to some New 52 adaptations. Wait. No, before that I want to see the Great Darkness Saga adapted. Or Cosmic Odyssey. That would rule.

    • February 12, 2013 at 2:06 pm

      That doesn’t sound like a “reason”, more like an opinion. Fact is, this was the first dark telling of Batman back when it was released. You have to understand its release. Without it, you wouldn’t have the dark style at all in DC or maybe even in comics.

  • Philmore Navarrete

    February 11, 2013 at 3:36 am

    Mike I watch both of the films, and in the second one, Bruce actually clearly takes a pill and he also said, 1 hour, so the explanation of his sudden death is really there, other than that I like your review.

  • Nemmex

    February 12, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    I think it would have been a good idea to have the fist bat fly gracefully through an open window then way later have the big scary bat come crashing through like”WHAT THE FUCK DID I SAY THE FIRST TIME, GET YOUR ASS IN GEAR!”

  • jevoapartir

    February 14, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    Regarding batman’s death and revival- (in the movie) I remember him taking a pill and saying I have One hour. The next scene he’s on the streets with Superman.

  • February 17, 2013 at 6:56 am

    Here’s analysis on Bond Batman similarities (it’s google translate but it’s readable). Maybe you could do the video about that

  • February 17, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    actually mike remember that pill batman took before the fight and he said 1 hour…..yeah i think that was the chemicals from the comics

  • mike keith

    February 17, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    I have never watched any of these movies, but, I watch all of these guys reviews. so having said that, I’d like to mention that I always laugh when someone asks “why isn’t that so-and-so getting hit by a bullet?”. well, let me tell you, believe it or not, in real life, it is very hard to hit a moving target with a bullet, especially a machine gun, rapid fire causes the barrel to shake like crazy and bullets go everywhere, soldiers are trained for this, and are told to run in s pattern when possible.

  • Andrew Ringwald

    June 24, 2013 at 2:07 am

    I know this might already have been answered, but I hate to look through all the comments. The girl robin was just some random girl basically. If you ever watched the animated series their is a spoof episode of a bunch of kids talking about who they think Batman is. In the episode they glimpse towards thee Dark Knight Returns with the same character. It is a small point, but it added to the general history behind the movie.

  • Dr. Juice

    June 30, 2013 at 12:04 am

    good review. got me interested enough to check out the whole series. i agree that the DC features have gotten better with each release, and these Batman: The Dark Knight Returns movies are great. i might even like them more than the Chris Nolan films. that showdown with the Joker was well done and realistic imo.

  • July 20, 2013 at 2:29 am

    The reason I think they kept Batman’s “no kill” rule is because it makes him a far more interesting character. If Batman just runs around killing people, then he’s a common vigilante and it makes him no better than the villains he hunts. But, Batman having the technical and physical skill to kill, but choosing not to makes him more than a common vigilante. It gives him his own “World of Cardboard” dilemma that he has to deal with. Furthermore, when/if he does end up having to kill someone, you know it will have some serious impact.

    At least, that’s what I think.

  • nammm3

    July 22, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    Sweeeeet review Mike! Thank goodness your gripes about these movies were only minor because these really do seem good!

  • karel1

    July 23, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    Great Review Mike! I couldn’t agree with you more: As they progress, the animated movies coming out of the DC Studios are superb, and they get only seem to get better with each movie they make. My only gripe is: They keep using the same characters for their movies. It’s either Batman or Superman. Granted they DID make a Wonder Woman cartoon, but for the whole, it’s either Bats or Supes. I wish they’d do a Green Arrow movie, Nightwing, Flash, Huntress or any other number of other DC characters.

    Great job Mike! Keep them coming!

  • August 12, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    I really didn’t like Dark Knight Returns. It has some of the worst character portrayals I’ve ever seen. The return of Batman could have worked brilliant when paralleled with a return by Two Face or the Joker, but both are brief, and handled extremely badly. Two Face’s plan is obvious and thwarted almost immediately, while the Joker doesn’t even have a plan; yes he’s insane but he usually has some kind of twisted goal, he doesn’t even escape through his own ingenuity he’s just rescued by two supernatural flying gas-spewing doll… things.

    Instead the main villains are serial murdering psychotic gangs led by a podgy idiot with metal nipples; even a corrupt Gotham PD should have done something about these idiots as there is no subtlety or cleverness to them, they just murder people for fun, not the hardest criminals to find there.

    I’ve never been a fan of DC universe crossovers, partly because I don’t like that many of DC’s characters; far too many arbitrarily super powered people with only very slight variations. But Superman is in this, and yet he’s… very badly handled. He submissively follows the orders of a clearly corrupt president by murdering soldiers in a war of genocide, yet when Batman loses his temper and kills one person who suddenly agrees that Batman is out of control? Uhm… what? It’s one thing for Superman to be patriotic, but I’m pretty sure he’s not a completely brainless idiot.

    It’s a shame, as the production quality is great as you’d expect; great animation, great music, and decent voice acting, though I still don’t like the choices for the Batman and the Joker. But the story totally ruins it by badly handling lots of characters, haphazardly stringing events together between ridiculous set-pieces, and introducing an entirely superfluous new Robin with no redeeming features. But it’s just inexcusable to get the character of Batman so wrong; there’s no intelligence behind what he does, no believable personal struggle, there’s just nothing to connect with.

    I’m very much of the opinion that the people that like this only like it for the action sequences, and the nerdgasm that is the fight between Batman and Superman, but these do not redeem a terrible storyline.

  • February 22, 2014 at 12:01 am

    I think Batman chose to quit Crimefighting when the Government forced it, not when the last Robin died. From what Superman says I think Batman was the last to bow out, on principle of course. From my reading of DKR / Batman comics / This Movie. Maybe I missed something

  • Robert Shirley

    June 3, 2014 at 4:16 pm

    I think year one and TDKR are both supposed to be set in 1985 the difference being that the Batman in TDKR started his crime fighting career in the 40s around the time of the first comic books. So in 1986 when the book was released he represented a realistic age for a character that had existed for 40 odd years. Where as year one was more of a classic re-boot type effort with a younger Batman starting his career in a modern era.
    This might explain why there are two scenes with a bat smashing through a window as TDKR is not actually a sequel to Year One.
    Or it could be that the older version of bruce is just remembering the first time it happened and the scene is used to represent his Batman persona finally taking over again.

  • November 8, 2014 at 12:12 am

    Mike, why are you comparing this to the 50s Batman so much? and the point of Year One was to reboot Batman’s origin story with all the conventions we know him for now, not retell his roots over again.

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