SNES vs Sega Genesis (Part 1)

James / August 13th, 2012

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  • Jakon

    August 13, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    This will cause a lot of discussion

  • August 13, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    snes ftw!

  • Keith the Genesis Geek

    August 13, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    You gotta look deep into the Genesis Library to realize that over all … IT’S THE GREATEST SYSTEM OF ALL TIME!! :)

    • herbsuperb

      June 17, 2014 at 7:59 am

      You don’t have to dig too deep into the SNES library to come to the same conclusion about the SNES. Super Metroid, Link to the Past, Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy IV/VI, F-Zero, Super Mario Kart, Super Mario World, Super Mario RPG, Secret of Mana, Starfox, the list goes on.

  • justinabsentia

    August 13, 2012 at 9:09 pm

    what a cock tease. can’t wait for part 2

  • ajm57

    August 13, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    Genesis does what Ninten don’t! Biggest crock I ever heard. They were both great, but SNES all the way. Just with Zelda, mario and metroid alone, it won.

  • Jake Rockwell

    August 13, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    My family had all three. I never felt the need to pick a side.

  • mighty

    August 13, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    Great video. I really enjoy these retrospective, self-reflectiveesque videos. I’m excited for part 2. Nintendo’s catalog was better, but Genesis holds a special place for me. Hard choice.

  • TheRetroHero

    August 13, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    GODAMMIT! I WANT PART 2 NAO.

  • Vulcan Assassin

    August 13, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    This was great! The take on reviewing with actual footage of yourself talking about the subject back when it was a current event – priceless. This is why James Rolfe is great at what he does: he’s been doing it his whole life. He’s as authentic as they come.

    Thanks James. This is one argument I too still carry, remembering arguments on the school bus, at recess, etc. all these decades later…. I was also a Nintendo fanboy back then. all my friends played Sega except for one, my best friend. (Connection? I don’t know but it’s intriguing looking back now…)

    I didn’t appreciate Sega, until asking for a Gameboy for Christmas, and my parents gave me a Sega Game Gear instead. I was sad until the first time I switched it on and put the game that came with it in – Sonic the Hedgehog 2. Then I saw the difference. I loved that thing! Like Mike said in his game gear video: I also never appreciated Gameboy or played much of it until many years later – because of my Game Gear.

    By the way i am quite jealous of the Modded Game Gear. I want one. Bad.

  • Eltanin

    August 13, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    Hey I still got those Link and Mario figurines. I was a nintendo fanboy back in the day too so I understand perfectly what James means. I’m rooting for the SNES in this versus match though.

  • Keith the Genesis Geek

    August 13, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    Streets Of Rage 1,2,3 = Better Than Final Fight

    Robo Cop Vs. Terminator = 10 X better on Genesis

    Gunstar Heroes = Nintendo couldn’t make that if they tried

    Shinobi (Shadow Dancer)= Would whoop Ninja “GAYden’s” ass any day!!! He’d sick his dog on him then slash his ass! lol.

    Plus, we got the good Dick Tracy and Ghostbuster games!!

  • J.J. McSandfarm

    August 13, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    Nice fake Sega commercial. I was a Super NES fan as a kid and those Blast Processing commercials made me think that Mario Kart was so lame for the longest time. I was ashamed of the fact that Nintendo would even publish something so dippy as the Mario characters putting around in crappy golf carts and wondered what the hell they were thinking. I never wanted to play any Mario Kart games until I was an adult and got a Gamecube, when I got Double Dash. And now, I’m a Mario Kart 7 addict…lol

  • Nerdator

    August 13, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    Oh, come on. The ‘what’s the plural of Genesis is? Genesii?’ bit was pretty cheap in your Sega 32x review; now, it’s pathetic.

    Like any word of the Greek origin that ends with a -sis, its plural form is formed with an -es.

    Basis/bases,
    thesis/theses,
    analysis/analyses and others.

    So it’s bleeding Genesis/Geneses. (as a side note, even Genesises is better than the pig Latin Genesii, since it’s what this form would have been like if it weren’t for this language convention)

  • JWilds23

    August 13, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    Love this video, I think anything James brings back from when he recorded as a kid is great……amazing he still has them. I had both growing up so I was fortunate enough to be able to enjoy each system, tough to pick between the two; I loved both but I’d probably say the genesis holds more nostalgic value to me personally. We just had more games I loved like TMNT hyperstone heist, sunset riders, toe jam and earl; for those reasons I’d side with genesis but just because that’s what I played more as a kid. I know that’s not really the discussion in this video but I don’t think one is better than the other, they’re both still fun to play and to me that’s all that matters.

  • cybercon

    August 13, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    It’s Monday the 13th, and this is perfect.

  • EthanWolfcat

    August 13, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    When I was a kid, I owned both the SNES and the Genesis. Most of the time I played on the SNES because my kind of games were on this console. But to tell the truth, I thought and still thinks today that both consoles were equally enjoyable.

  • August 13, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    OMG FUCKIN EPIC! SNES RULES!!!!!!

  • August 13, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    I always played both systems, so I never could say one is better. I had the Genesis first, although I can say the reasoning for this was that it was cheaper than the SNES at the time, and I was sick of saving money, so my brother and I decided to just say fuck it and get the Genesis. Honestly, Sonic blew my mind, but every time I’d see screenshots of games like Super Mario World, I just thought the detail looked so much better. Both systems were awesome.

  • marxmith

    August 13, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    I do enjoy your Sega videos a lot. I was lucky enough to have a job at Sizzler during the 16 bit dust up and I used my tips to buy both systems. Also, you should do a review of time travel games. You could cover Time Lord, Chrono Trigger, Lost Vikings, etc.

  • Aaron1375

    August 13, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    I have both and loved both. They both do things differently and present games in different ways. These days most games are released on multiple consoles and are the same, back then they were different usually playing to the system’s strength. Much better war then than now as you actually got different games back then.

  • TheNewFlesh

    August 13, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    James, glad to see new videos coming up in a regular fashion again. Thank you very much for entertaining us all for FREE, and I can’t wait to see the AVGN movie!

  • sflowers539

    August 13, 2012 at 10:26 pm

    I remember in Middle School I was taunted each day at lunch by some kids because I was the only who liked the SNES more, and I knew it had better performance. Later when Sega dropped out of the hardware race and started making games for Nintendo I tracked each of those mother fuckers down to tell them to suck it.

  • Wildside50

    August 13, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    Hey James.

    Just wanted to let you know, I think this is the best video you’ve ever done. There have been dozens I’ve loved, but something about this one just sorta works the best. Do more like these please.

  • hu1kamania

    August 13, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    SNES is better, its science.

  • JakEuro

    August 13, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    Hey James have you seen this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFGAQrEUaeU

    I thought it was kinda similar to this one when you where talking to yourself. If you haven’t seen it thought, it’s worth checking out.

  • August 13, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    Perfect theme song to sum up this episode: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfBQppaKcS8

    hehe

  • stapler942

    August 13, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    For the record, the plural of Genesis is Geneses.

  • bigbangnet

    August 13, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    to me, the best console is the one that offer good games. The developers that makes those games will play the biggest role in what console is the best. For example, I still play X-Com on dosbox (steam version) because it’s a very good dos game. Hell, this is a Dos old PC game that looks super shitty when you compare it with today’s standard. But the game is so well done that it’s very good. Sure it has it’s cons but overall, that one was awesome.

    You might have a super system or console but if you got nothing on games or even, bugged, no content, no gameplay, no replay value, lack of control and idiot camera control then you will have the shittiest console.

  • TheWindrammer

    August 13, 2012 at 10:59 pm

    I think the Playstation is just as good as the X-box. I would say the Ps is better but… Halo.

  • Ninjasuperk

    August 13, 2012 at 11:07 pm

    Just one word:
    AWESOME!!!!

  • whatwhatwhat

    August 13, 2012 at 11:13 pm

    If anybody is curious, the song at the end is Notorious B.I.G. – Juicy.

    Here’s a sweet remix: Notorious B.I.G + The xx – A Juicy Intro (Ha! Yes Remix) – http://awe.sm/m2L2G

  • PLLaDeDa

    August 13, 2012 at 11:15 pm

    I got both as a kid. I won the console war.

  • floridaboy

    August 13, 2012 at 11:22 pm

    I am convinced only James has the credibility to do this video…You’re a genius using young Jimmy (not to be confused with Bimmy).
    I know that when we used to compare these 2 systems, Sega was high definition and Nintendo was high resolution.
    We thought this meant that Genesis would do better with life-like games like Mortal Kombat and the Super Nintendo was better for cartoon type graphics and had more color.

  • August 13, 2012 at 11:24 pm

    Nice video. I like these ones where you’re just giving your opinion instead of playing a part.

  • waxon

    August 13, 2012 at 11:30 pm

    i can think of WAY more sega games that i love to play, but of the few snes games i know, they are so much better than all of my favorite sega games put together. it took me a while to admit that i like snes more than sega, but ya. super nintendo kicks the crap out of sega

  • chadauw

    August 13, 2012 at 11:41 pm

    I have to say it’s nice to have you back James.

  • August 14, 2012 at 12:13 am

    Just want to settle some stuff about the CPU clock speeds of the SNES and Genesis.

    SNES has a 65c816 processor clocked at 3.58Mhz. But most cartridges use “slow rom” instead, so it runs at 2.56Mhz. Some games used Fast Rom to run at the full speed of 3.58MHz.
    Instructions take 3-7 cycles to complete, but 4 cycles is the most common number of cycles taken by an instruction.

    Genesis has a 68000 processor at 7.67Mhz. But most instructions take at least twice as many cycles to complete than their counterparts on the SNES. For example, the SNES’s CPU can execute one kind of instruction in 4 cycles, while the Genesis’s CPU executes the same kind of instruction in 10 cycles instead.

    So this means that the Genesis isn’t actually all that much faster than the SNES.

    But it really is all about the games. Genesis had Shining Force, SNES had Chrono Trigger.

  • LicaWolf

    August 14, 2012 at 12:24 am

    I was expecting a “Memories” video (like the ones about Mortal Kombat and Double Dragon), but this is something new. And I love it!

    My favorite part was James riffing his own childhood video, I like when he finds ways to use footage from his old homemade videos. Now, that’s taking us back to the past :)

    That Sega commercial was cool (and it looked totally legit).

    The analysis of the way the commercials exploited that one single aspect was really interesting.

    Now I can’t wait for the second part. Yeah!

  • candybyte

    August 14, 2012 at 12:43 am

    What made snes games unique is that there are several games that comes equipped with an additional processor, this is known as the Super FX chip which aids the Snes processor more during each cycle, up to 21 Mhz (and even more if over clocked) with the second version of the super FX chip (games like Doom and SMW 2 Yoshi’s Island), so in a way the snes was faster in all ways for certain games.

  • notetoself

    August 14, 2012 at 1:00 am

    James this is awesome, it’s like you where reading my mind or something. I was just looking up what exactly was blast processing and here you release this video not even 12 hours later about sega this is awesome, but I read somewhere that the snes had blast processing as well i guess its called Dma, the sega had a better Dma and just called snes out on it. Keep up the great work your a huge inspiration!!

  • DTysonator

    August 14, 2012 at 1:08 am

    Hahaha, yeah! I remember the classic 16-bit console war like it was yesterday, great times :).

    You did a great job of bringing us back to that point in time by using footage from when you were a Nintendo brat, absolutely brilliant, James haha!

    That is very true about commercials taking things out of context, it happens all the time and often works wonders for marketing groups.

    Your Sega Genesis parody commercial is pure gold :). It further remined me of why games such as Super Mario World 2 Yoshi’s Island give me headaches. That friggin’ Mario baby is SO DAMN ANNOYING hahaha!

    Anyway, I’m really looking forward to Part 2, so bring it on, man!

  • laser

    August 14, 2012 at 1:53 am

    You were entertaining at 11 too. xD

    I got into games *after* this era, so my comparisons start with PS1 vs. N64:

    N64 had a analog stick first! Yeah, Sony might have two, but you gotta press a button to turn them on! And Nintendo’s controller has an extra handle!

    PS1′s graphics look like a crossword puzzle having a seizure. Bilinear filtering & perspective correction make N64 silky smooth & rock steady. :)

    No loadng times! Durable cartridges! Coloured buttons! No wonder it was going to be called Ultra – they only left that off so Sony wouldn’t be TOTALLY butthurt…

    (But seriously, the Nintendo 64 IS better looking, easier to control, and much more fun. Sony players just wanna stare at Lara Croft’s polygonal tits,,,)

  • GuardianAuron

    August 14, 2012 at 2:15 am

    Honestly, I enjoy videos like these a lot more than some of the recent VGN videos. Just open, honest, and genuine James.

    I know I have suggested it many times before, but I will do so again… Do your own version of Cinemassare Mailbag. Make it like a weekly series… Would be SO epic.

    Cheers.

  • Stefanoragnopazzo

    August 14, 2012 at 2:29 am

    The better the games , the most of them, the most variety of genres it has the better it will be.

    That’s why i have chosen N64 over PSX, PS2 over NGC and Wii over the guns console. (yeah talking about 360 and PS3 geez the games on these consoles are all about the same stuff)

    I didn’t own a SNES not a Genesis/Mega Drive/Model 2 but i played SNES and it’s like 360 vs PS3. PS3 is more powerful, but 360 has color, Genesis and PS3 are really too dark in games sometimes, it does not help for real.

  • August 14, 2012 at 2:45 am

    This video is so funny! I remember the 16 bit console war was a really big deal when I was a kid. I had both systems thankfully. I’d say the best game on Genesis was easily Phantasy Star IV. I think Super Nintendo was better though because it had Final Fantasy 6, Secret of Mana, Chrono Trigger, and Link to the Past.

  • jayjoeg

    August 14, 2012 at 2:49 am

    At the time what mattered was that the Genesis hit the shelves 2 years before the SNES. If I say anything else I’m gonna have to try and recount the whole history of gaming. I’m an old school PC gamer. We’re dicks…I know., we’re major dicks.

  • August 14, 2012 at 3:21 am

    great episode! i LOVED james’ own take on genny vs. nintendo in his recreated commercial. thx for keeping the entertaining comin’ while you’re working on the movie james :D

  • calmassacre

    August 14, 2012 at 3:23 am

    hey dude have you play battlefield 3 or cartoon network punch time explosin xl?

  • xJake

    August 14, 2012 at 3:23 am

    All I can say is that when I was a kid I owned these consoles:

    Sega Master System
    Sega Genesis
    Sega Game Gear
    NES
    SNES
    N64 (got it as soon as it came out. Around this time our NES was lost forever in our garage, and forever ruined TT_TT as well as our SNES and up til now I got an SNES console from my friend)

    I used to have a decent library, but I definitely played my Nintendo Consoles more than my Sega consoles just because Mario and Link were my guys. Not only that….WE HAD FUCKING CONTRA >:)

    Yeah I always stuck with Nintendo.
    I own an SNES, N64, GameCube, and a Wii.

    As for handheld: GBA SP Gameboy Color and a Classic Nintendo DS (With a cracked screen.) :’(

  • Sesquipedal

    August 14, 2012 at 3:25 am

    This video was excellent.
    Great contrast in your video equipment/editing techniques :)
    This is what the nerd is about (obviously you are not the nerd here, however your appreciation for games is resonating loudly). You even had some good moments “megadrive :|”.

    I can relate here, like I can with the nerd videos.

    Although a bit over-rehearsed looking, your voice sounds genuine to caring about the topic.

    Thanks for this video!

  • TheMoonchild

    August 14, 2012 at 3:38 am

    Hi,
    first time poster and love all of your videos, except never can watch them on springboard, I use firefox and even on my ipad I can’t watch them.

    Whats the deal with that?

  • August 14, 2012 at 3:47 am

    End on a cliffhanger? Leave the actual debate/opinion for part 2!?

    You are an evil, evil man, James.

  • August 14, 2012 at 3:50 am

    @TheMoonchild
    Temporarily turn off AdBlock Plus on the page of the vide. The AdBlock Plus menu in the “extra” menu.

  • tweej

    August 14, 2012 at 3:52 am

    Try side by side comparisons of Top Gear 2 and Mortal Kombat 2. The SNES definitely did those games better than Genesis. Top Gear 2 was one of my favorite games on Super Nintendo but the Genesis version is beyond broken.

  • August 14, 2012 at 3:54 am

    Awesome! Something different.. this is great can’t wait for part 2.

  • Azdrerios Entertainment

    August 14, 2012 at 3:56 am

    Great video, James. At first, I was kind of bummed to see this wasn’t a Nerd episode, but as the video unfolded, it became more and more apparent that you don’t necessarily need the Nerd character entertain the viewers.

    All the best to you, buddy!

  • August 14, 2012 at 4:00 am

    meh, as a kid i was totally sega, now im a adult ive grown to see that both consoles shine in there own ways, i like some games from mega drive, and some from snes, none is really the better…. some are better on one or the other console, the same game i meen, but really……..are we that bored that we argue about this ancient stuff. LIVE YOUR DREAM PEEPS!!!!

  • doemaaan

    August 14, 2012 at 4:05 am

    James…

    THIS….. is awesome. i replayed your sega commercial three times before finishing the video. now, i’m gonna re-watch the whole thing again. i seriously hope there’s like 10 parts to this. or, a reeeaallllly long part 2.

  • fcabanski

    August 14, 2012 at 4:25 am

    They are not bigger than you James!

  • coolman756

    August 14, 2012 at 5:22 am

    Great video. The fake commercial was genius, reminded me of the one you did on the Sega CD AVGN review. Looked totally legit, definitely as dumb (and great) as what they used to make back then.

    As for myself, I’m not on any particular side. I’m only 17, so I unfortunately wasn’t part of this generation and only knew few about that SEGA/Nintendo war. However, my very first console was a Master System, which my mom bought right before my birth, so SEGA is something I’m tied to by childhood. I can say the same thing for Nintendo, though, since my first handeld console was a Game Boy Color. God, I played the shit out of that console.

    I never got to play the Genesis as a kid, only the Super Nintendo at someone else’s house, and I didn’t even get to play it much. I’m only beginning to discover these consoles over time, as a retro-gamer and collector. It’s really hard to have an unbiased opinion about this, but for now, I’ll just go with the classical: “Both systems are great, both have great games. It’s just different.”

    I’m interested in knowing your opinion, though.

  • StaarsCommando

    August 14, 2012 at 5:26 am

    I gotta say that Genesis commercial you made had me dying…good job James not much makes me do that.

  • Strazdas

    August 14, 2012 at 6:05 am

    Such advertisement would be illegal nwoadays :(
    Also lets get this straight, Sega Mega Drive (2/3) is what you “so call” Genesis right? In which case, its the best console ever anyway, so whats the point of this video?

  • Stoopkid

    August 14, 2012 at 6:28 am

    Longtime viewer and I can watch your videos with springboard just fine.

  • nartecurb

    August 14, 2012 at 6:38 am

    Love how you played The verse from B.I.G – juicy. Great videos man and cannot wait for part two of this.

  • MrMarcusRocks

    August 14, 2012 at 6:55 am

    Best sega ad ever!!

  • Warrax

    August 14, 2012 at 6:59 am

    The fake commercial was AWESOME

    Great video btw, can’t wait for part 2.

  • tehniobium

    August 14, 2012 at 7:03 am

    Wow dude, awesome video. I thoroughly enjoyed watching it and am looking forward to the continuation!

    I feel like this is the first time one of the “post-nerd” videos (as in a video where you are out of character) has worked perfectly, so keep up the good work.

  • August 14, 2012 at 7:13 am

    Well said about the part that reviews are always through someone’s opinion. And that’s the biggest problem today. People pay too much attention to game scores, when they vary from person to person. Just today I watched 5 reviews of Sleeping Dogs and here are the scores.
    Ign 8.5/10
    Gamespot 8/10
    The Gamestation: 7/10
    Angry Joe: 6/10
    TotalBiscuit: doesn’t score but he was very enthusiastic about it, I think he’d say about 7.5/10 or 8/10.

    But excuse me, I’m getting off track here. Let me just stop here. Nice video James!

  • RoachTrident

    August 14, 2012 at 7:25 am

    They are both great consoles, and altough i had the sega, called mega drive here in the netherlands (yeah there is your marketing strategy, the americans had trouble with the whole Genesis name (mabye some christian fundamentalists?) so they called it mega drive for the european market, MEGA!!) as a kid. My favorite games are more nintendo oriented, like mario and castlevania games. Now I have them both and enjoy without prejudice :)

  • XaverOz

    August 14, 2012 at 7:28 am

    I want listen more about Sega Master System vs NES =(

  • diegowar

    August 14, 2012 at 8:21 am

    Such a good video, has so much good stuff in it I don’t even want to explain because I couldn’t do it justice :)

  • Drain

    August 14, 2012 at 8:32 am

    The Snes is technically better but it was years newer. The newer console/hardware/computer/etc is always better. But the differences here are quite minor. In the end it will come down to the type of games you like, since Sega and Nintendo had VERY different libraries. It wasn’t like today where almost every game is on 2-3 of the whole 3 different consoles on the market. Back then literally almost every game was Sega or Nintendo specific. If you liked Mario and Zelda for instance, then you were going to get that Snes without a contest. I personally owned both as a kid and while the Snes was technically better and I knew it; I still booted up my Genesis all the time for its games, specifically Sonic the Hedgehog 3 and Knuckles.(I had 100% complete with every character choice, even Sonic and Sonic+Tails separately)

  • Drain

    August 14, 2012 at 8:56 am

    But I do hope he delivers what we were expecting with Part 2. I liked Part 1 here but I’d still want to see pure game vs game comparisons contest that are either similar in gameplay or best showcases the hardware’s potential. Again the Snes is technically better, but the Genesis has a whole library of Genesis exclusive games to compete with. The “blast processing” also allows faster pacing in games, which is something some people liked.

  • uberrainman

    August 14, 2012 at 9:06 am

    Awesome video, can’t wait for part 2.

  • August 14, 2012 at 9:36 am

    Atari ET box in the background, awesome.

  • Keine

    August 14, 2012 at 10:03 am

    Hey James! You should re-act one of your early years review. That would be awesome!

  • fuzzy441

    August 14, 2012 at 10:03 am

    hey there james and cinemassacre, i agree with moonchild. I cannot watch videos on ur site which is a dissapointment because this site rocks, could u please fix it guys? thanks =)

  • NeoMaximuz

    August 14, 2012 at 10:32 am

    That was awesome James! Nice editing between past you and current you. I also used to make videos as a kid, back in the early ’90s.

  • Tallefjant

    August 14, 2012 at 10:49 am

    Megadrive destroys the puny SNES!

  • Aramus

    August 14, 2012 at 10:50 am

    Awesome. Can’t wait to see the second video. This should make a great Nerd-Style documentary.

  • Magmarock

    August 14, 2012 at 11:18 am

    I am really interested into how this turns out. I’ve always preferred the Mega Drive, but the SNES is still a really good gaming system. I hope he points out how some games were better on the Mega Drive despite it being a weaker system, Such as Robo Cop vs the Terminator and the Micky Mouse game.

  • Hiryu

    August 14, 2012 at 11:22 am

    It’s on youtube if springboard is giving you fits.

  • August 14, 2012 at 11:22 am

    This is the day I have been waiting for since I first saw your videos back in 2005. Me being a Sega fanboy, I have to reluctantly admit that Sega were a bunch of ass holes in their commercials towards Nintendo, but that’s to be expected.

    In order to understand why Sega was the way it was in the nineties you have to look at what Sega was like in the eighties. Before the era of the Mega Drive/Genesis there was the Mark III (Japan) Master System (elsewhere). It’s funny to me that outside the U.S. the world knew Sega’s 16-Bit system as the Mega Drive, but here it was the Genesis. Anyway, during the 8-Bit system era Sega was mostly anti-third party. I have quite a collection of games for the Master System and not a single one of them were made by someone else. So the commercials for Sega were not pitting themselves against Nintendo, and because of the non-competive commercials and lack of third party cooperation at the time pretty much kept Sega’s Master System from reaching a mass market in the same way Nintendo had been able to.

    So when Sega felt they were ready to release the next generation console in 1989 they thought the best way to get a leg up on Nintendo was to trash them in their commercials and to boast that they could do everything that Nintendo was incapable of. This got third parties’ ears up and they came running to Sega which helped them get their sales up rapidly.

    Now when you look at the history of Sega, going all the way back to the SG-1000 that was only released in Asia, you can see a clear trajectory for failure. On an average of every three years Sega was releasing a new console, where Nintendo was waiting six years to put a new one out because they realized quality was much better to have than to be ahead of whatever competition was out there because they knew that their customers would keep coming back every time a new system was available. That’s why Sega’s CD and 32 X didn’t quite make the sales they should have. They were just too early for their time. Same with the Saturn. When Playstation made it’s way to the market in Japan in 1994 Sega panicked and threw out the Saturn far too early and wound up costing themselves dearly. By the time they brought out the Dreamcast it was far too late to garner new customers, as well as bring back old customers like me who went to the Playstation.

    I hope in your next video, James, you’ll show some of the best sides of both systems and compare equally games that appeared on both systems. Of course I know you’ll show the shitty aspects of both systems because that’s the name of the game. Well I can’t wait until then so I hope it’s very soon. : )

  • GirugaJuan

    August 14, 2012 at 11:49 am

    I have both consoles and compared the sound of the sound of a specific game (mortal kombat II) and noticed it sounds shittier on genesis…

  • GirugaJuan

    August 14, 2012 at 11:50 am

    omg the sound of the sound… lol

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    August 14, 2012 at 11:50 am

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  • August 14, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    There should be a poll on the site to have fans choose which side they prefer. At the end of the next video, after the battle is over and won, you should show the results even if they might end up being different from the battle’s outcome. But do not look at the results while making the video so that you won’t be influenced by them.

    That said, I’m a Nintendo fan boy. I own any systems other than Nintendo systems and that’s the way it’s going to be till the day I die. I vote SNES!

  • darkknightdetec

    August 14, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    Definitely one of the best and most original videos from you in a while James! Love how you’re conversing with your younger self haha. Can’t wait for part 2!!!

  • adder_doner2

    August 14, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    Some of your best commentary in awhile. It felt natural and overall was very well delivered. Thank you, looking forward to Part 2

  • fardmuhammad

    August 14, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    While everyone at school was comparing Sega Genesis to SNES, I was trying to convince people to play… the Atari 2600. Yeah, I lost that battle, but I didn’t care. I still had fun with my 2600, so I didn’t want to switch. Though I thought I had the upper hand when the Jaguar was released… but, it wasn’t lasting.

    James- great work on the Sega commercial. Shot on VHS complete with distortion at the bottom of the screen to give it that “recorded from the 90s” look.

  • DrKamahl

    August 14, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    TwistedSpeech you are so wrong, Sega wasn’t anti third party, they couldn’t get any third parties on the SMS due to the restrictive contracts Nintendo placed on developers. As long as you were developing games for the NES you couldn’t develop for competing systems, period. Nintendo was taken to court because of that and lost.

    The genesis era was payback.

  • lfgubrs

    August 14, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    I remember being a kid having snes and never even heard of the genesis but then my older brother lend me it for some days and i thought it was so damn cool, But i think in my opinion Snes was better overall. Thats a good episode! cant wait for part 2.

  • SkamArtist

    August 14, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    Great vid, and I loved the Biggie at the end.

  • August 14, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    @DrKamahl: I am not wrong and I am fully aware of Nintendo’s lawsuit. As I said, MOST games made for the Master System were made by Sega themselves. I went looking through my vast collection and found a few made by third party makers, but the majority were Sega made which limited their market because of that. I won’t deny Sega being a bully towards Nintendo. Their Genesis era commercials prove that.

  • DrKamahl

    August 14, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    TwistedSpeech, you said and I quote: “Anyway, during the 8-Bit system era Sega was mostly anti-third party”. They weren’t. That makes you wrong. You make it sound as if they liked not having third parties which is just not true.

  • Ferrior

    August 14, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    That commercial he made for the Genesis is just hilarious!! I couldn’t stop laughing at the Yoshi’s Island part of it. That needs to be developed into a short video by itself.

  • DrKamahl

    August 14, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    Also:
    http://www.goodcowfilms.com/farm/basement/ga-archive/html_data_files/speedmyth.jpg

    Nintendo were just as much bullshiters as Sega was, they just sucked at marketing comparatively.

    I could go into details on how much of what in this “ad” is wrong, but I’d have to get technical, and explain why those “128″ sprites aren’t actually ever 128 onscreen due to scanline limits and other weaknesses in the SNES.

    I appreciate the fact that they gave “black control deck” and “european porcupine mascot” as advantages to the genesis ;)

  • chrander

    August 14, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    Love it when memories are shared by James. Particularly in this early 90′s era.

  • Deeke

    August 14, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    I nearly laughed my balls off at James’ satirical early 90′s Genesis commercial. The SNES footage was hilarious, as was James in general, especially the skeleton at the end with the trademark SEGA scream ;D

  • JohnnyUsername1987

    August 14, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    It was a totally awesome video! Thanks a lot!

  • August 14, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    Megadrive über alles :D

  • liononzion

    August 14, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    I always had a nintendo, couldn’t afford both (made a point to pick up every console for myself this current gen tho ;) but our good friends and their kids had a genesis and I always loved going over there and playing those games. X-men was the shit at the time and the games on genesis kicked the crap out of anything I saw on Super Nintendo. I was never into games durring the 8bit – 16bit era Mario was fun and everything but I never really connected with it. It wasn’t until N64 when I played Zelda Ocorina of time that I was really drawn into a game world and That is when I really became fond of video games. I think it reminded me of the stories and fables that my mom would read to me as a kid before I went to bed and being very close to my mother I had a real connection with that game, it tied into my subconcience and my dreams. For me it was never a issue of which system was better it was more like DAMN I wish I had all these games cause x-men and sonic was fucking awesome at that time.

    I remember asking to borrow other kids games and then never giving them back. hahahahaha thats how we got most of if not all of our games cause my dad refused to buy us a new one until we beat the one we had and back then mario was hard as shit! then my sister actually beat it one day and my dad said he didn’t believe her cause he didn’t see it (cheap ass) and thus resorting to stealing games. lol we gave em back if they asked but u know how it goes just watch the Nintendo World Championships Nerd video again if you dont ;).

  • lutelian

    August 14, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    I remember rushing out to buy the genesis as a kid. I had a paper route, and I saved my money, paid for it myself. Then a month or 2 later the SNES came out (I didnt know about it or i might have waited before rushing the buy the gensis, and decided which i liked better). At first I was ok with my decision, from everything I had heard and seen the Genesis was better. Then I actually saw one, and I played some of the games. I regretted that decision every single day. Even after I saved enough money to buy an SNES, my asshat dad wouldn’t let me “blah blah learn a lesson blah blah”.

    Lesson learned, i never bought another SEGA PoS system again, and have bought every single Nintendo system since (although I dont think that was the lesson he was trying to teach). In the end, the SEGA had a couple, and I really do mean a couple of good games. And the the SNES had countless, truly countless games.

    Even if the system (SNES) itself hadnt been quite as good of quality (which turned out to be better), in the end the support behind it, the quality of the games themselves, that oomph factor that brings you back time and time again was there. The system isn’t as important as the games themselves, and that too is another problem that SEGA constantly forgot. Nintendo (and the companies that license games to them blah blah blah) never did. I still break out my NES once a year and play through the Dragon Warrior (Quest) series. I still argue about my Dr. Mario rivalry with my sister. So on and so forth.

    The Nintendo brand stood strong and the test of time. The SEGA brand stood strong….behind good marketers that could “sell a ketchup popsicle to a woman wearing white gloves on a hot summers day”…. and thats about it.

    These days, when I’m shopping for games and something grabs my eye, the first thing I do, before reading the back, before googling reviews on my smart phone, before texting my friends for opinions, is check to see if its a SEGA product, because if it is I put it back, because I know odds are im holding a giant stinking turd wrapped in a cleverly marketed box not worth 5 cents of shrink wrap holding it (writing games for other brands consoles is all they do these days, isn’t it?)

    rant over!

  • liononzion

    August 14, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    If you’re looking for good side by side footage:

    Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles IV: Turtles in Time (SNES)

    Vs.

    Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Hyperstone Heist (Genesis)

    This really showcases what each system really had to offer. They are almost identical games in terms of gameplay and graphics but the genesis version is just a bit crisper and faster, while the SNES version is more creative (with the ability to grab and throw enemies into the screen). And thats just what it was, Nintendo was more creative while Genesis looked better. Nintendo is still like that too and Hey you gotta give it to them it works somehow cause you are more in your imagination with Nintendo. It speaks to your creativity and subconcience

  • Keith the Genesis Geek

    August 14, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    I am a Sega Genesis Geek, and in my opinion .. it’s an over-all better system as far as games are concerned.

    However, one thing that the SNES killed Sega in were RPG’s. Super Nintendo has the greatest RPG’s of all time. Not many people I’m sure would disagree with me on that.

    I live for Genesis. but Nintendo always holds a special place in my heart

  • tsukino_kage

    August 14, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    I never saw any of those commercials as a kid. I didn’t live in the US. There was only 1 reason why I had a Mega Drive: Sonic the Hedgehog.
    Let’s face it: we bought these units to play games. At the end of the day, the specs are NOT the bottom line, the games are. And at the time, I preferred the Genesis games.

  • Keith the Genesis Geek

    August 14, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    I have about 200 Sega Genesis games … Sonic doesn’t even fit in my top ten.

    There are SOOOO many games that are more fun to play than Sonic “the played out” Hedgehog.

    Pulseman, Ristar, Rocket Knight Adventures, etc. Much more fun to play than Sonic IMO

  • t0xsick

    August 14, 2012 at 4:43 pm

    Am i the only one that remembers the sega channel you could get on ur cable tv service?

  • liononzion

    August 14, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    Actually I take that back. Zelda Ocorina of time wasn’ the first game that drew me into a game world. It was actually Banjo Kazooie. But Still my point stands. Esops Fables……….

  • Jessyfaulkner

    August 14, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    Come to think of it, I don’t remember Nintendo ever making fun of Sega in the commercials. That would be because they KNOW they’re better and are too mature to make cheap shots at them like that! I like Sega, don’t get me wrong, but lets just say that Sega had a crocodile mouth with a hummingbird ass. They talk shit, but couldn’t back it up and ultimately, the console died and their games are now with Nintendo. Who’s does what Ninten-don’t now? The one with the POWER! Nintendo Power!

  • Albylion

    August 14, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    That was it? That was Sega’s marketing scheme? “You need a Nintendo, so get a Sega instead because it’s cooler.” All they did was enforce a need for Nintendo. Their marketing campaign would be nothing if they ever did send Nintendo out of the market. It was the same campaign Kerry used against Bush. “I’m not George Bush!” “But, Senator Kerry, if elected what would you do differently?” “Um, duuuh, erp, well. . . . I’m not George Bush!” Did work.

  • tsukino_kage

    August 14, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    In all honesty, I LIKED Nintendo, it’s just that I wanted to play Sonic. It wasn’t the only genesis game I played, but it was the one that made me buy it. And yes, there are many great Genesis games besides Sonic. Just Saying, at the end of the day, it doesn’t matter what the specs are, you buy for the games you want to play.

  • larquinius

    August 14, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    Oh man.
    So as a child of the 80′s – 90′s (I was born in 81, yes I am an old fart), this was definitely the most debated battle of coolness that consumed most of my time in late elementary school to middle school. Which is better? Genesis, or SNES?
    100% hindsight dictates that the SNES was the ultimate victor. Sure, Dreamcast and Saturn were much better platforms than N64, but at the end of the day, the SNES had the best games, the best value, and the most to offer our adolescent minds.
    I only mention two standouts from this era of conflict, which I see as points to the Genesis. Shining Force, which admittedly is a Final Fantasy rip-off, and Beyond Oasis, which is a great game no matter what camp you align yourself with.
    Shining Force was the only respectable RPG Genesis fans had to play, which makes it bad ass.
    Beyond Oasis was so original, so individual, and so amazing, that SNES really had nothing on it, save its typical franchise games.
    I don’t think Genesis was a good platform. But, when it was good, it was GREAT. SNES had more significant moments because it was good about 90% of the time, which meant a lot of value for a bunch of kids playing the platform.

  • Detroit Dawg

    August 14, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    Well guess Nintendo got the last laugh huh, Sega is no more, while Nintendo still innovates til this very day. I was a Sega fanboy growing up, but , alas, Sea has be vanquished and Nintendo is alive and kicking! Oh well, I love Xbox anyways! ;-)

  • esonic23

    August 14, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    hi i’m edward rowe from huntsville, alabama i’m really deaf i’m new fan of the angry video game nerd. ahem.. years ago snice 1991 i were 13 years old my first old Nes i play super mario bros 10 mins. i turn off my tv i saw catch super nintendo being to commection i wonder i want buy super nintendo i feeling not thinking… then i had hard decied then i saw first my eyes about sega genesis with blue ball my mind blow up look like very fast i never seen before my life. i decied tell my ex stepfather buy it for me. i get special christmas gift my first real sega genesis with sonic the hedgehog i open it my mind…..aweseome freaking ! i can’t wait play sonic the hedgehog i start play it… i saw sonic running and spin ball attack robots wow then what loop running i did press down d-pad sonic’s ball become very fast “S” my mind of brain get little dizzy “whoa!” and secert ring inside make me very dizzy and sonic 2 more more very fast big loop sonic’s running like burn fire then sonc gone i can’t find it my tv screen i can’t see it. i saw sonic and tails here my eyes “wow !” awesome classic sonic the hedgehog series. i love it i become christain sonic the hedgehog series and i’m true sonic fan over 21 years ago. super nintendo were good nice video game i play it not much i remember. i were now 30 years old i decied i get back to them i brought my retron 3 system about sega genesis with nes and SNes i’m happy classic games back to my old childhood old days. damn classic awesome sonic series were freaking classic best.

  • esonic23

    August 14, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    and… i’m real video game nerd i love video games my longtime life and my years. my friends know me i’m being nerd i love it.

  • Elemence

    August 14, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    “50 inch screen, money green, leather sofa….got two rides, a limousine with the chauffeur”

  • Jimbp

    August 14, 2012 at 11:34 pm

    this was the epic’ argument. thank goodness for the EGM buyers guides that provided us with the facts.

  • Portland247

    August 15, 2012 at 12:07 am

    Awesome Notorious B.I.G. sample!

  • Jimbp

    August 15, 2012 at 12:28 am

    get mike to don the bugs bunny costume and beat his ass for part 2.

  • August 15, 2012 at 12:34 am

    Looking at my own consoles, game collections, and emulators, I think that it’s a close race but SNES wins in the last lap.

  • dokng

    August 15, 2012 at 12:44 am

    I still have both my Genesis and my Super Nintendo. I wouldn’t give up either of them for the world. I never much cared for the fanboy crap then and I still don’t. I still play them from time to time. I’ll occasionally play one of the old Sonic games or something like Sword of Vermilion on the Sega; and who can resist Super Mario World, Star Fox or Final Fantasy 2 on the SNES?

  • Hajeil Sounak

    August 15, 2012 at 2:58 am

    I loved the cliffhanger at the end with the sample from Notorious B.I.G.’s Juicy. http://youtu.be/Xt43r0fOMho

  • Kuro

    August 15, 2012 at 6:25 am

    Very nice video about the biggest battle in video game history! Really looking forward to part 2, when you show the games and comparisons of Castlevania and Contra on both systems.
    You’ve got one fact on the technical specs a little wrong though James. I’m talking about the resolution.

    The SNES can display the stated 512 x 224 but it’s virtually never used and games on the SNES run in 256 x 224. On the Genesis you have the stated 320 x 224 in most games, resulting in a wider image on Genesis games.
    Sonic 2 even uses 320 x 448 interlaced in the split screen mode but that’s really an exception.

    The winner in the resolution category is actually the Genesis.

    One game where this is easy to see is Zombies Ate My Neighbors. On the Genesis the gameplay area seems smaller because there is this black box on the right with the status and radar. But the play field is actually the same size on both the SNES and Genesis, but the latter one uses the extra 64 horizontal pixels for this added status sidebar.
    A rather sloppy use of the extra resolution but a good example to see the difference.

    Now I could also talk about the amount of sprites that are displayed in contrast to the maximum capabilities, but I guess you’ve already digged deep enough into this staff and we all know the famous “mutli -jointed sprite bosses” in Genesis games, mostly the ones from Treasure.
    Let’s just say that the “Blast Processing” really does a lot for the Genesis.

    Greetings from Germany!

  • Wartogh

    August 15, 2012 at 7:06 am

    Great video James! But that comparison of the resolutions and simultaneous colors isn’t totally true. The resolution that snes really used in all games where either 256×224 or 256×239. That 512×448 is interlaced (know as the Snes’ High Res mode) and were only used for menu screens or credits, as they were impracticable to use in game because it limitated the number of simultaneous colors to something about 16 at the same time. The Genesis was know for run games in higher resolution than Snes, on 320×224 and 320×240 (PAL only).

    As for the simultaneous colors, theoretically Snes could use 256 at the same time, but again, just on static screens like menus and the likes, but rarely in game, as there is no known proof of that accomplishment. But of course, nevertheless Snes still could handle more colors at the same time than Genesis, as Snes games used an average of 80~120 colors at the same time with ease while Genesis games used an average of 30~50, breaking up this margin and the limit of 64 simultaneous colors with rare exceptions such as Sonic 2, Sonic 3, Vectorman and Ristar reaching limits from 75 to 88 simultaneous colors in game and 171 simultaneous colors in cutscenes. Other thing is that Genesis games make up for the lack of colors by using Dithering techniques that worked very well on tube televisions, narrowing the visible gap betwen Genesis and Snes graphics.

    The processor DID make some difference because some games like Gunstar Heroes and Sonic couldn’t run on Snes without a massive slowdown or bad fps, like Dirt Racer for Snes compared to Virtua Racing for Genesis.

  • August 15, 2012 at 7:49 am

    Thanks for the awesome video James!

    Back in 1989 my best friend Joey and I both had an NES, even ground, we both borrowed each others games and spent countless hours reading Nintendo power, anxiously awaiting the next game we thought would rock.
    Fast forward to that Christmas that he gets the super NES, and I get the Genesis.
    I have to admit, for quite some time I felt a step behind Joey’s gaming experience, that the Genesis fell short, mostly when it came to sound quality, the vibrant colors the SNES games always seemed to exhibit, and titles. It also seemed Genesis had three hundred sports games for one non-sport game…and I’m one of those guys that would rather eat out the rotten …etc., than play a friggin sports game.

    While I do enjoy action titles, RPG’s were where I spent my time. Yes, SNES had Final Fantasy 3, but when Phantasy Star 2 finally arrived, I felt I’d won control over the battle, and I think it was at that time, that I finally truly appreciated the uniqueness that was the sound effects and music of Genesis games (like you once said in a nerd video, “That music is SO genesis”). I listen to classical music often, and every time I hear a high harp string I’m instantly transported back to games like Might and Magic, gates to another world.

    What system do I personally think was better *overall*? Super NES
    What system would I buy 10,000 times over if I had to repeat a day like bill murray in groundhog day? GENESIS!!

  • August 15, 2012 at 8:22 am

    ugggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh now i want chocolate milk.

  • August 15, 2012 at 8:38 am

    This takes me way back!

  • pacman01

    August 15, 2012 at 11:21 am

    avgn i think your vids are amazing but i ddothink that cheetahmen 2 thing is a scam

  • christburner

    August 15, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    fuckin a right biggie!

    nice job james

  • L0rdMike

    August 15, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    Call it the Mega Drive like the rest of the world. :P

  • Landofunk

    August 15, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    I put my Genesis and Sega CD with all my games in a box for safe keeping and I believe I was the victim of my parents accidentally giving it away, because I’ve yet to find it at my childhood home. As a kid and teenager I used to tell my parents the horror stories of mothers giving away their children’s old comics or action figures when they moved out to prevent this from happening. It looks like I’m just like the past generations that lost some of their childhood treasures :(

  • hotstew

    August 15, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    The fake Sega ad was awesome, I’d love to see this kind of retro VHS-quality ad in the wild. You gotta pitch this idea to a company with a sense of humor, Mega64 shows that it can be done.

  • Dan

    August 16, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    hey james great job man I love super nintendo at was awsome!!! :)

  • August 16, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    hi james has my mario art picture doing? from at conbravo burlington

  • August 16, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    lol Jame’s Sega commerical was epic. LOL at using the Yoshi’s Island footage.

  • phoenix252005

    August 16, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    That Genesis vid you made was awesome, that’s how it shoulda been! I was a not so smart gamer when I was a kid,I actually liked the sega cd,sad I know. I traded my SNES to my bro for his genesis so I could play the sega cd,big mistake! I learned my lesson,and to this day I would take SNES over Sega Genesis any day!! You rock James!

  • Sine

    August 16, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    While I agree that the SNES is a better console, I don’t think it’s fair to compare the two, as the Genesis was intended to compete with the NES. Great video, though. Any chance of getting a PS1 vs N64 video?

  • likalaruku

    August 16, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    You talkin’ ’bout Ovaltine?

    I was neutral on 2 decades of the console wars. Delmy & I had Sega Genesis, Kiley has the NES & the SNES, & Shanna had Playstation, Xbox, & PC games; we all played games at eachother’s houses whenever someone bought or rented a new game or when we had the Sega Channel; they were all good.

  • dragontamer272

    August 17, 2012 at 8:05 am

    Man, Childhood was totally fun back then with these Systems. Back then I was the SNES owner, even my relatives were, while friends of ours were Genesis owners. Aside from the 16-Bit games, another major fun things back then were the Cartoons.

  • tysonhitsthevideogames

    August 17, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    This video is the shit! It is awesome!

  • knyphu

    August 17, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    I remember these arguments! It’s a wonder how Gamegear was incapable of outbeating the original Gameboys when Gamegear started off with color.

  • August 17, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    James said, ‘the internet is a place where we can rehash these old school cafe arguments’. I laughed out loud, so true.

  • August 21, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    SEGA!!!

  • Eightbitshik

    August 22, 2012 at 3:23 am

    Great video! Keep it up man I’m glad to see more videos on the site.

  • vwollschlaeger

    August 22, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    HI James,
    i found lately this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQiYyHC8B_w&list=UUgeSfaLXS8Macm3ddzYF_wg&index=18&feature=plcp

    Few other to me unknown Castlevania releases – pretty sweet seems, the Sharp X68000 version so the MSX2. Maybe you wanna give them a shot?!

  • TheMaineShow

    September 22, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    The part from Biggie’s Juicy was just perfect; im so glad you know that song it’s nostalgic for me!

  • dw17

    December 4, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    can you make one with ps3 and xbox360

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