James / July 21st, 2012
July 21, 2012 at 7:48 pm
I enjoyed it
July 21, 2012 at 7:59 pm
GREAT review because it’s spoiler free! now james, can you do a review for the arcade game HAUNTED CASTLE? it’s absolutely the most unplayable castlevania arcade game. it is way too hard with terrible hit detection.
July 21, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Call us paranoid, but my friend and I said we wouldn’t go see the movie in theaters because of what happened in Colorado.
July 21, 2012 at 9:01 pm
@Duck.of.Doom Your paranoid, and a pussy. I live in colorado springs and im going to go see it this week. Dont be a bitch and live in fear. Good review james, thanks!
July 21, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Hey James, please don’t take me the wrong way but iIcan’t ever think of the word “CineMassacre” the same way again. As i’ve been watching news coverage of the incident i keep expecting them to use the word “Cine Massacre” God bless everyone in Aurora,CO and all there families. Again please don’t take me the wrong way James. I’m a huge fan of yours. I just felt like i needed to get this off my chest.
July 21, 2012 at 9:07 pm
Nolan has been talking huge liberties from the start, it’s not supposed to mimic the comics. Didn’t you see Begins? Ra’s was barely the same person, in the comics he’s (500?) year old immortal warlock who can revive himself with his magical pits. Now contrast that with some old ninja. Yea…
As for Miranda, her part was 100% necessary to bring the entire series around with the first one which is what he wanted to do.
And what’s next for Batman is a reboot leading into the Justice League movie.
Oh, and pussy “I’m not going to the theatres” guy, you know people die every single day EVERYWHERE right? If you had the “I’m not going out where bad things happened somewhere else” mentality you wouldn’t go ANYWHERE. Although that includes your home, do you know how much more likely you are to die in a home invasion than gunned down at a movie theatre? Go figure out the statistics, then you’ll leave your house.
July 21, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Nice review man. I was very excited for this film but personally i felt a bit let down for multiple reasons. I even tried in the theater not to nitpick things that i had a negative reaction to and hold my judgment until later, and I still feel a bit disappointed. The was NOT bad, and specifics aside, it didn’t give me the same feelings the previous Nolan batmans have and I felt a bit less entertained in general. Theres an unpopular opinion for ya, ha.
July 21, 2012 at 9:36 pm
@Duck.of.Doom, no offense but that is just ignorant. You don’t say, “Man, a gas station got robbed in Japan last week- I’m never gonna get gas again”. Did you drop out of high-school cause of what happened in Columbine? Probably not, cause it’s a random act of violence that can happen anywhere for any (or no) reason. Life your life man, just cause a guy get’s struck by lightning somewhere across the world doesn’t mean you can never go outside, that’s highly illogical.
Oh, and good review, James- I’ve yet to see the movie but I hope to soon, you got me anticipating it now.
July 21, 2012 at 9:37 pm
I hear ya. It’s like the band Anthrax. Imagine what it was like for them during the anthrax scares.
July 21, 2012 at 10:06 pm
im seeing this tomorrow. thanks for keeping it spoiler free..
make a new AVGN episode already! that shit is fucking crack for the rest of us. i don’t know why, but it is.
July 21, 2012 at 10:51 pm
@James Yeah I can imagine. Crazy world we live in brother, or should I say a Mad Mad Mad Mad World.
July 21, 2012 at 11:02 pm
THERE’S A FILTER ON BANES VOICE?!…..NO SPOILERS, MY ASS
July 21, 2012 at 11:17 pm
Fantastic review James! I loved every second and every word of it! Thank you 🙂
July 21, 2012 at 11:36 pm
This world is getting more and more fucked up, it really is. So many shootings also in Toronto have happened. It comes down to wrong place, wrong time. As for you DiGriz there is nothing wrong with being cautious. After the shooting police were posted at various movie theaters. But obviously for someone like you Digriz you’re a carefree son-of-a-bitch.
July 21, 2012 at 11:49 pm
As always James, a great review. I think you said the most without giving spoilers but I know what you mean when you say to get into the finer details you do have to give spoilers. My favorite Batman film is The Dark Knight, and granted I have seen all of them except for Batman Returns and Batman Begins. The first Batman with Tim Burton, while good, didn’t do much for me. The way you feel about Batman is the way I feel about The Dark Knight. That being said I thought this film, while very very good, was not as good as The Dark Knight, and yes I do consider Health Ledgar’s Joker to be a better villain. For me I would say though I really enjoyed Bane, the dynamics of his character were not fully realized. I do not think Maria was unnesscary, However I do feel her character could have been much better, which her character I would argue is the reason for Bane’s ineffectiveness for me as a character. I know you perfer more of the art house style of Batman, but I perfer Batman in a more realistic sense, because I have always pictured him like that. Overall I would give the film an A, there is a lot I have to nitpick about it which would probulary let people to believe I didn’t like it, but it really was good, minus a few things.
Lastly, my thoughts and prayers goes out to the victims and the loved ones of those victims at the Colorado massacre. May God bless them.
July 21, 2012 at 11:53 pm
Agreed about Miranda.
July 22, 2012 at 12:18 am
Great review, James. I understand exactly what you mean about the liberties Nolan takes with Batman lore and that “one particular character”. I didn’t care for that. The rest of the film was great. Not as good as TDK, but still great. A fitting end for the trilogy.
Now I’m looking forward to the next Batman reboot. I’m hoping for something like the Arkham video games, based on the Batman mythos as whole, rather than any individual storyline, and less realistic than Nolan’s series. It was interesting to see, but the realism is very constrictive in terms of what you can do and how you can do it..
July 22, 2012 at 12:22 am
Kinda awkward for this review on a site called “cinemassacre”
July 22, 2012 at 12:33 am
“-a new take on batman.”
right when he said that, i suddenly thought of batman beyond.
July 22, 2012 at 12:40 am
James… Maybe I’m Nitpicking, but the Burton movies are the only version that depicts the joker as the murder of the Waybe Family… Maybe there is a comic based of the movie, But officially, even Joker past is unknown.
July 22, 2012 at 12:45 am
Great review, James. I thought Bane was great too, and the scene you mentioned with no music, so much more emotional without it, and you can really feel for Bruce in that scene. Bane was a lot like a Frankenstein type monster, only very intelligent and evil.
I love Marion Cotillard as an actress, but her character felt so tacked on.
Music was beyond great. I can’t wait to see what Zimmer can do for Man of steel.
I liked Joker better, but Bane was a great villain to end with.
July 22, 2012 at 12:55 am
Maybe the next Batman can be a return to campy. Ice puns here we come! 😀
July 22, 2012 at 1:32 am
I wish you would do a spoilers version, I would like to know some of the stuff you addressed in vague detail.
However, without giving away anything myself, Miranda has to be there. I agree that they could have done the character better.. But you can’t just omit her.
But to play Devil’s Advocate to my own point (this exercise may not be healthy). With her in a more prominent role, Bane doesn’t shine as much.
Also something I agree with you on. Bane > Joker. It’s that presence you were talking about. I was drawn to Bane so much more than I ever was with Ledger’s Joker. I was amazed at how well executed Hardy was in his delivery.
July 22, 2012 at 1:49 am
Sorry to say, James, but I gotta disagree with you on this one.
In as much as you apparently disliked Batman Begins, but apparently like this film, I feel the exact opposite. Begins was a breath of fresh air, because it took Batman seriously. And even though I was initially disappointed with the revelation that Liam Neesan was actually Ra’s Al Ghul (something that didn’t occur in the comics, I don’t believe he ever felt the need to use decoys, because he was untouchable anyway), though I later came to accept that. But, not to “spoil” anything for anyone else, but they really just shit on the whole Al Ghul mythos and story they had established themselves in the first one with this film.
I felt they got Bane all wrong. I already thought he looked like shit from seeing preview pics. Then I heard him speak the first time watching the film, and I have to say, I was literally laughing to myself. He sounds just as ridiculous as he looked. The Bane in Batman & Robin, a rather bad movie by Batman standards, was a moron who could barely speak, but at least he LOOKED like Bane, was actually from a Cuba like island (or actually just Cuba in that movie), and actually used the Venom drug to give him super-strength. I would argue the point that he’s more compelling or better than Leger’s Joker. At least Joker kept me interested, and while not quite the way I would prefer the Joker (hey, I grew up on Batman the Animated Series, Hamill is THE best, period), he was still good. This Bane, to me, was just all wrong, and I shouldn’t be laughing at a film’s villain, but I was. Couldn’t help it.
But also……and I hate to say this because I really liked the first two movies, even though I felt they made the Joker a bit TOO psycho, but The Dark Knight Rises, hands down, was one of the most boring films I feel I’ve ever sat through, and that included Superman Returns. It wasn’t a BAD movie, per say. But I couldn’t bring myself to care about the underlying plot, or much of anything that was going on with the characters. Elements to how they portray Batman and his universe in the first two films that I had previously accepted, really started to grate on my nerves in this movie, and it just felt, ultimately, overlong and overcooked. It felt like it took itself WAY too seriously, and it also just felt slow….like it plodded along without ever really getting anywhere interesting. Nolan had the suspenseful, plodding thing going with The Dark Knight also, but somehow the Joker and his story arc kept me interested. But I found their portrayal of Bane, and the entire “Knightfall/No Man’s Land” adaptation to be kind of empty and lacking.
So………yeah. Sufficed to say, I was really disappointed. Didn’t care for the ending, and won’t reveal why so as to spoil it for others. But I just didn’t care for the movie in general. I actually have to say, sadly, that to ME personally (as in it’s my opinion folks, so don’t waste your time flaming me for it), that this was the worst Batman movie I’ve ever seen. Yes, Batman Forever and Batman & Robin weren’t very good, but at least I found them SOMEWHAT entertaining when I first watched them. This? Not so much. And that’s saying something, because I feel Batman Begins is probably the best Batman movie I’ve ever seen. Quite a feat for one director to pull a 180 on me like that. But I digress.
Glad you or anyone else enjoyed it. But I certainly didn’t, and it left a pretty bad taste in my mouth. I’m honestly glad Nolan isn’t doing any more after this. His take was good at first, but to me it’s definitely worn out it’s welcome by now. I’m sure they’ll reboot Batman, or even follow up on the “SURPRISE” twist to this one’s ending and continue the series that way, but I’m not sure I’ll bother seeing any future ones. Just like I’m good on Spider-Man, and didn’t feel any need to see the new one of that either. Though I will say, as a final related note, that I DO feel like, while Spider-Man 3 did shit itself a little, maybe just a spritz here or there, what with the emo-dance scene, and really Venom in general (who didn’t need to be in the movie), that otherwise it was still a rather good film, and a nice wrap to Raimi’s trilogy. On the other hand, I (again PERSONALLY) felt that TDKR more or less completely shit itself in many ways, as a film, and didn’t give me that same “nice wrap up” feeling. Too bad really.
July 22, 2012 at 4:03 am
Are you actually trying to argue that the Bane in B&R > Bane in TDKR simply because he has the tubes in B&R? This is the the future, man.. Get with the program. The fact that the venom is turned into a gas, via his mask instead of pumped into him through tubes is a petty complaint.
You seem so upset that that comics weren’t represented 100%, yet you bring up the fact that he was born in Cuba in B&R? Bane wasn’t born in Cuba…. Secondly, Bane is not a moron like he was made out to be in B&R. He is cunning and extremely sharp both physically and mentally. He not only matches brawn with Batman, but he matches intellect as well.
Sounds like you are a troll, because someone who wants to be so hardcore into the comic book way of things should know some pretty basic ideals about Bane.
Maybe you weren’t able to keep up mentally with the dialogue heavy and vastly dependent film. It isn’t exactly rocket science, but apparently it”s pretty hard to keep up.
July 22, 2012 at 5:46 am
Hay James did you see the new teaser trailer for the superman reboot called Man Of Steel! Here’s a link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54l3NGi4qZY
July 22, 2012 at 6:04 am
July 22, 2012 at 6:51 am
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July 22, 2012 at 7:46 am
James, I think you should block the comments on YouTube for this review. People are talking about conspiracy theories and some are even making jokes on the Colarado shooting.
July 22, 2012 at 8:13 am
^Right, censorship. The solution to all the worlds problems.
July 22, 2012 at 8:20 am
Loved he video, dammit, I can´t wait to go see the movie now..
July 22, 2012 at 9:05 am
DC is smart trying to follow Marvel with a justice league movie, but really how many DC movies have actually been good as of lately? The first 2 Superman movies were excellent, as well as the early Batman movies. But from there they really haven’t been up to par with Marvel. The Avengers was pretty much the perfect super hero movie, with lots of action and little dialog like its a crime scene tv show. I wish DC good luck, but they really are too far behind Marvel. We’ll see how The Man of Steel is, I’d be more excited for a Flash movie than anything.
July 22, 2012 at 9:28 am
James, thanks for your kind words regarding the shooting in Colorado. I’ve lived in Aurora, CO my entire life and been to that theater countless times. In fact, I was going to go to one of the midnight showings at that theater but changed my mind. It’s just such a shock that it happened.
But on another note, Dark Knight Rises was amazing.
July 22, 2012 at 9:36 am
That is whats bullshit. people having bad mental health and deciding to take anger or on others they do not know….
Cant wait to see that new Batman movie, loved the last one.
Liking the shirt James.
As I was cleaning some of nes games I remembered how many damn games James has in his collection.
How in the hell do you think he keeps up with all them??
Does he just clean each game right before he plays it?
OR or or …… does he have a butler names Jeeves, and hes cleans them kinda like millionaires homes are always spotless….
I dont know ….
Iam going to make some coffee and try to get to level ” -1 ” in mario…….
July 22, 2012 at 10:56 am
Sorry but what do you expect from the YouTube community? Maturity and common sense? Yeah that’s asking for too much.
July 22, 2012 at 11:19 am
While I enjoyed watching The Dark Knight Rises, I find the movie (as well as the other Nolan’s Batman movies) to be too realistic as a comic book movie. Like James says, the movie could use more visual and fantasy elements to it. I’m not a big fan of the Tim Burton movies because the stories were weak but visually and musically; it was awesome. As for Nolan, his Batman movies have amazing storyline but weak visuals. If only he could tone down the realism and crank up the fantasy more.
July 22, 2012 at 11:50 am
@gamerz u are correct. I don’t care nor am I worried about random acts of violence, “the terrorists”, anthrax, “2012 apocalypse”, or your opinion about my mother. Go ahead and live in your safe hole and watch faux newz I’ll be watching batman in theaters. Have a good safe (boring) life. Thx again 4 the review James.
July 22, 2012 at 11:56 am
Hey James! I’m not really a DC comics guy, I’ve always liked the Marvel comics a lot more. I do like Batman and watched the previous two movies in the trilogy and I’ll probably watch this as well when it comes out on Blue Ray. But the reason I’m writing is because I wanted to say that I really like these kind of videos where you just say what you think and would love to hear your thoughts on the new Spider-Man movie.
Have a good day!
July 22, 2012 at 5:18 pm
James, I hope that you can still do a formal review with video visuals and attach it to the Spike Batathon reviews. I want to see how many cat tails or Bain masks you give it.
RIP to all of the victims in Aurora, Colorado ! ! !
GET WELL SOON ! ! ! to all who were wounded ! ! !
July 22, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Right there with you man, I’ve never been a reboot-hater, art has its seasons, play it again Sam!
I LOVED the Nolan take, Burton was great until it became a necessity for every Hollywood male actor to have ‘Batman X’ on his damn resume…omg and robins quips…
Anyway haven’t seen it yet, anxious to soon, but as far as Catwoman goes, Hathaway has a lot of work to win me over from Michelle Pfeiffer..meow 🙂
Peace out, keep up the good work James!
July 22, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Another reboot for Batman…please no. enough with the reboot already. Just continue the storyline please. When did Robin had a good part in a Batman movie lately…never. He always sucked. He sucked so much that I could punch him myself..seriously. The guy always have those idiot lines and the costume is awful and disgusting.
If Christopher Nolan can make a great movie with Batman then please, give Robin’s part to Nolan FFS, he should make something great with him.
Sorry but the acrobat in a circus crap is pretty pathetic and way too stereotypical… I simply hate that. Batman and Robin movie was..well fuck that, I ain’t going there.
July 22, 2012 at 9:19 pm
You guys want a reboot, please use a shitty movie…Batman and Robin comes to mind lmao on top of my list.
July 22, 2012 at 9:26 pm
Good review. I agree that Miranda shouldn’t have been in the film. I also wished batman made more appearances in the film but then the entire story would’ve had to have been re-written.
And last comment: About the man of steel trailer that Reaper posted….maybe it’s just me but I hope to god that love between Superman and Lois will be the MAIN theme in this movie… I want the super action hero…not the super lover…ffs
July 22, 2012 at 11:37 pm
I live in Quebec, Canada, and I have to say, whenever I think of this tragedy, my eyes get wet. I can’t imagine how horrible that was. My sympathy goes to everyone in Colorado.
July 23, 2012 at 12:03 am
Great review without giving anything away for those of us who haven’t seen it yet. But more than anything, I applaud you for acknowledging the victims of the horrific events in Colorado. Classy move, James.
July 23, 2012 at 1:58 am
Just saw this tonight. I think I was one of the few people to dislike the Dark Knight, but I liked this movie. I only had a few problems with it. One was Bane’s voice. There were also a few things I didn’t like late in the movie that would spoil things, so I’ll just say that overall, I found this to be a really good movie.
July 23, 2012 at 2:41 am
I couldn’t stop thinking about the massacre during the movie either… I imagined the guy walk out of the exit right around the beginning, and then shortly after the first action scene (as told by the survivors) I imagined him bust back in from the emergency exit and start killing everyone. It just made me depressed…
As for the movie, everyone’s entitled to their opinion. By which of course I mean that I didn’t like it, as oppose to James. And it’s not because it didn’t exactly follow the famous Batman lore and what-not, in fact it did a really good job keeping it original and also brand new. Everyone and their mom has been ripping off Frank Miller’s vision and slightly altering it, so much that by now it’s completely acceptable. But I didn’t like it because it was just… It was so incredibly fake and stupid. I don’t want to spoil anything, but just pay attention to everything that goes on. Situations are met with such ridiculous undertakings and conveniences that it made me actually feel smarter than Batman. Christian Bale plays such a pathetic “old Bruce Wayne” that you practically see him give up from the very start.
Again, just my personal opinion. Most of you won’t know what I mean.
July 23, 2012 at 3:31 am
James cant be serious about Catwomen, come on!
“Maybe even the best” Hes ironic, he just cant be serious.
As little as Angry Joe are serious about Skyrim.
i live in Boulder Co. & i whent to go see the new bat-man film the day after the horred shooting, a scureaity gurd had asked me to remove my Steem-Punk goggels becues they where simaluer to the one’s that the villen in mib3 whers. It’s strange what some one will do for “SICK FAME!”
July 23, 2012 at 6:27 am
Well said James! I loved the movie, and I too am ready for something different!
July 23, 2012 at 7:01 am
I always thought that Bane was just a Poison Ivy’s mindless goon from the movie Batman & Robin. But I guess there’s more to him than that. I’ll have to go to see the new movie soon.
July 23, 2012 at 9:19 am
@Richard Hallgren: I hope your not saying halle berry was the better catwomen ? Michelle Pfeiffer perhaps… Anne Hathaway did a very good job as being catwomen. 1 thing I loved is how she wasn’t so stereotipical compared to the other catwomen.
@Major Wedgie: The joker is a sissy compared to Bane. Don’t forget that Bane is way way way stronger than any other vilain which makes Batman harder to get up. He also makes Batman almost paralysed by the damage he received by Bane making the recovery very difficult. For the rest of what you talked (since you didn’t talk about it ), I guess you mean when the prison opens up to the city I can easily imagine that since Bane is behind all of that and supports them all the way. He does have lots of cash which was told from the start and the way he looks, Bane as that aura that says “don’t fuck with me”. And lastly..it’s a fantasy movie…nothing realistic.
July 23, 2012 at 10:34 am
Great review, as always! I can’t wait to see your movie. Been looking forward to it for a long time.
July 23, 2012 at 10:41 am
iv seen it yesterday omg it was so fucking good
July 23, 2012 at 11:24 am
I feel better after Doug Walker’s review now. I really liked this movie, granted I liked Dark Knight more but Rises still did its job for me.
July 23, 2012 at 11:58 am
I saw the move and I’m trying to figure out what was changed about batman lore. A lot was changed about Bane, but I think James hinted at something from Bruce’s childhood? I didn’t see anything whatsoever that was going against canon about batman himself.
July 23, 2012 at 12:17 pm
@Czab Read the comic book “Knightfall” and check out the episodes of Batman: the Animated Series with Bane. Simply put, he’s as intelligent, or possibly more intelligent, than Bruce Wayne, and far stronger in both muscle and willpower. He’s basically the most dangerous enemy Batman has ever fought and that includes the Joker.
July 23, 2012 at 2:52 pm
I dug the film, but thought it was average at best. I mean, they rehashed the first film’s plot. Then Bane, the big-bad ass, is just a dude stuck in the friendzone who we don’t even see get defeated at the hands of Batman. Bane easily made the film, he was awesome.
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July 23, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Yeah, I did not really enjoy it that much at all. I felt just the opposite that Joker was amazing and Bain was a let down. Not from the sake of acting, but I thought Bain was super strong because of some chemical that flowed through is body, where at in this it was more of a resporator. I was disappointed by that. I dunno that just bugged me. I liked the story of bain and the woman a lot, but it was just too short for such an important part. Where as all the politcal parts and what not were too long in my head. I thought the ending was going to be great but it was not, and introducing you know how just seemd of.. I thought his first name was Dick, but I am probably wrong. I think it is worth seeing but I was disappointed. I’d probably give 5/10
July 23, 2012 at 3:16 pm
@bigbangnet: Cool, since you brought up events from the movie yourself now I feel like I shouldn’t feel bad about spoilers, so I can better explain myself. But still, ——> WARNING: SPOILERS!!! <——-
I know who Bane is and I know he's immune to pain (with the mask on). But remember, Batman is a tactical genius. In this movie Batman flat out charges him and never once gets it through his head that he's not hurting him. He tosses some Bat-bombs and still doesn't get it so decides to go back into physical fighting. The Batman I know (regarding his overall character design) would have started fighting dirty using tricks that he's got tucked up his utility belt. Things like tying him up with that toe-batarang, or bringing the ceiling down on Bane. If Batman's character was also changed to an moron for the sake of this movies originality, then this was never a Batman movie.
And how was it so difficult to climb the wall?! HE HAD ROPE! Any idiot would have at least tried using it to get to the top, and that doesn't speak much about the intelligence of the prisoners in the pit either. Oh, and how convenient is it that he's tossed into a dungeon with the worlds greatest chiropractor next door? I understand the scene is meant to give you the vision of Batman's incredible superhuman recovery, but there were just so many unbelievable things that it became ridiculous.
(This is sounding like a AVGN rant now):
What police force in the world thinks it's a great idea to send the ENTIRE police force through the tunnels which eventually collapses, yet the majority if not all of them live?! And then when war breaks out, Bane's super army with machine guns and artillery BATMOBILES are quickly overtaken by the living unarmed reminder of the police!
I'm not going to say any more, but even for a fantasy movie this is too much. It feels like they had their way with the Batman franchise and turned him into a flat out action hero. The entire movie felt like it treated the audience as if were stupid, with so much dialogue/explanation and obvious things like I mentioned above. I don't care if you liked it, I'm just giving you my own two cents – "No sir, I didn't like it."
July 23, 2012 at 4:28 pm
I think that Peter Jackson would be an awesome director to bring to Batman for fantasy, while keeping Christopher Nolan as a producer for the realism aspect and dialog.
July 23, 2012 at 4:32 pm
And wall there at it remake the giant claw
July 23, 2012 at 5:36 pm
i herd it was good from oen friend and another friend told me it sucked horribly and was boring. so yeah idk lol liek the motorhead shirt tho.
July 23, 2012 at 7:02 pm
@ Major Wedgie.
I have to agree.
This is not a bad film, but it’s not great.
I’m not going to get into nitpicks and plot holes, I’ll leave that for the idiots on IMDb.
But as a piece of entrainment, this film falls flat.
BB was a dull retelling of Batman and this suffers from the same problems. It’s just so damn dull. Big set pieces do not make a film good, they need substance, and this film has none.
After TDK, which is amazing I thought they would up their game again seeing as BB was such a dull film. So progression seems to be the staple of this franchise. But no.
Don’t bother with seeing this on the big screen, save your money wait a few months and get it on DVD/BluRay. At least you’ll have special features to add to the value cos the film won’t do it.
July 23, 2012 at 8:11 pm
I couldn’t agree more with what you said about suspension of disbelief. Without spoiling anything there are some really major scenes in the movie that I felt were executed really poorly. The entire series has tried to be realistic up until this point but there’s a number of scenes that force you to distance yourself from the action because they’re so unrealistic.
Also, the beginning of the movie is slow and there’s way to many heartfelt monologues very early in the film. Even though it’s a sequel, the characters need to be redeveloped a bit to sort of remind the audience of the existing relationships between all the characters. Asking the audience to accept Alfred’s (and other characters) heartfelt speeches that early in the film is a little off putting. It made me think, “Can Alfred really talk to Batman like that? Is that appropriate?”
I think they could have cut the movie down to a shorter length by eliminating a lot of prologue and the film really would have benefited. Or they could have taken time from the prologue and put it towards some of the other scenes because I thought the ending of the film felt a little rushed.
I did enjoy the movie a lot though, but I though Dark Knight was better.
July 23, 2012 at 9:06 pm
I see we get a DKR review but no Avengers?
July 23, 2012 at 9:08 pm
slow? the film opens with the scene of a plane hijacked and capsized. Miranda Tate is a very important part of the movie and its connective tissue with the previous films. Also, anyone familiar at all with the characters will appreciate her inclusion.
you’re right about the fate of one lead character and how its a different story than the comic. it’s kind of an annoying and pointless change that could have been easily avoided, but everything else in the movie is so good i give it a pass.
Anne Hathaway steals the show as Selina Kyle, she was absolutely incredible in the role.
July 23, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Yeeeeeah. I agree with what you said in the beginning about not reviewing a movie until you have watched it more than once. The Dark Knight Rises is fucking incredible from beginning to end. I can’t stop thinking about it. Best movie of the year.
July 23, 2012 at 11:40 pm
Wow. There’s nothing like typing out a big response and being told “You are a automated spambot or your browser does not support Cookie.” Great use of grammar there.
July 23, 2012 at 11:44 pm
But yeah, these films are great for being political thrillers exposing the criminals running our country right now (and it couldn’t have come at a better time in this pivotal election year), but I’m ready for DC to go back into the Superhero realm. The Nolan trilogy had its place and it’s great for what it is, but it’s time for something different.
That Man of Steel trailer was pretty disappointing. Who really wants a Superman that’s all downbeat and depressing like Batman? And how would they put together a Justice League movie if all the individual movies are all depressing like this? What made Avengers a success was the party atmosphere of all these heroes coming together. It certainly wasn’t on the quality of the film itself.
July 24, 2012 at 1:27 am
the two things i did not like is bane he could have ben bigger the actor was only 5”11′ bane was much much bigger then that in the comic he could have at least ben 6”6′ there was no talk of his chemicle roids wich was in the comic did not have anything with poisen ivy but it was could venom the chemicle roids was the main reasond he had that mask the the tubse and in the comic the chemicles in the mask made him bigger and stronger vains poping up not one of those things happend ok its more real then the first 4 batman movies but he could have at least gotten stronger vains poping out
dont get me wrong 6 star movie good everything but not perfect the last fight with bane just seemed a little short , They could just make roben be batman beyond maybe dont tell me its going to be roben and no batman
July 24, 2012 at 12:21 pm
well said James 😀 im looking forward to the movie
July 24, 2012 at 4:27 pm
i’m a pretty big batman, read a few comics, and watched all the classic batman animated cartoons/movies. (batman animated series, batman beyond, return of the joker, etc.), and just can’t bare to watch these batman movies. batman’s voice just blows, and for me, kills the movies.
July 24, 2012 at 7:05 pm
Ok guys here are my two cents.
The movie is good and I think the character James is talking about is bane. They took some serious liberties with his character, and though he is MUCH better than he was in Batman and Robin, he still falls short of the comic character’s greatness.
For one, no Venom injection system. This is a KEY part of the character which makes him rise above other villains and would have made him a tougher adversary than the previous films’ antagonists.
Secondly, they seemed to whitewash Bane for no apparent reason into a completely white character when the original is a latin-american character. I kind of take this personally since I am of Hispanic descent and just feel that these types of moves are made to prevent people saying its racist. Ultimately, it was more racist to take away a classic character from his ethnicity and background.
Thirdly, they really mess up Bane’s origin and make it a combination of his and some Ghul family bodyguard. In the end, they actually give his origin to Talia of all people, which is the person James said the movie could be done without. It felt rushed and like they just wanted a big reveal at the end, when it should have been two titans duking it out.
Besides the character, most of the movie was done well, however the story is a bit muddled and not as coherent as the previous two movies. There are some very good scenes and dialogue in this movie however so you should go see it.
July 24, 2012 at 11:07 pm
This movie was the worst. Totally killed Batman and has a ton of plotholes.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1345836/board/nest/202245927 Here are 70 reasons why.
July 25, 2012 at 3:07 am
Very nice review, always good to see your more “cinematic” side.
And i agree, i liked Bane better than DK’s Joker.
(Harvey Dent actually was way better than him too)
July 25, 2012 at 4:03 am
only 1 problem I had, where was batman the whole time. he was barely in the movie maybe 15 minutes in a 2 and a half hour movie.
Other than that I agree with most of your points. Bane was cool but voice sucked (sounded like Sean Connery on steroids hahaha), catwoman was sexier than I thought she would be although not as much as michelle phifer in the old ones (but hey, almost!), and so on and so forth.
I really enjoyed the plot of this movie and liked how it tied elements and themes from the first 2. Nice way to wrap it up. Joker still best villian but story in 3 was far superior and way more profound.
This movie pretty much blew my socks off cause #2 was awesome and I didn’t see them topping that1 what with budget cuts and all (haha) but I think this is the best of the 3 and almost perfect way to wrap up.
July 25, 2012 at 6:18 am
I had to register just to chew you out on this one and I’ve seen everything you’ve done……..
Where do I start? I once thought that Batman’s “retarded mouse trying to sound like a fat hobbit” voice was bad?
Pop quiz: What does Bane sound like?
A) A caveman trying to sound sophisticated.
B) A retard trying to sound more intelligent.
C) A morbidly obese dude trying to sound thinner.
D) Voltron. If the sound waves of “all of the above” combined into one sonic “Voltron.” Except entirely annoying, irredeemable, and, quite frankly, totally gay.
If you didn’t answer D, you’re probably as dumb as he sounds and you get an F. Squared. Then cubed. Then slammed into your crotch in the hopes that you don’t reproduce. I’m ranting. Sorry. On with it:
Seriously, it was so bad that it ruined the character. I couldn’t even understand half of what he said, but luckily that didn’t matter because he never really said much.
The Joker was well acted, scripted, and conceived. It was a surprisingly original idea and it worked. I thought it was a little far-fetched how he was introduced with that bank robbing scene, but WTF was with Bane’s introduction?
They were clearly just trying to top the Joker’s introduction and they failed miserably. It was so laughably over the top and of course Bane had to open his mouth and make it even more pathetic.
The villain is the reason for the movie. No villain = nothing for Batman to fight. So why was Bane so underdeveloped? He didn’t do anything that wasn’t either too unrealistic or just cliche. I didn’t really care to see him fight.
“Bwahaha, guess what, Batman?! I’m going to destroy the WHOLE city, BWAHAHAHAHA!” Yeah, it’s been done a million times by every supervillain, and it’s fucking stupid.
They were clearly just trying to make a more hardcore Joker but it was obviously impossible without making it unbelievable. What the Joker did to the police station with the bomb in the one dude’s stomach was more than a little silly, but everything Bane does is in further leagues of retarded.
His justifications were unconvincing; we didn’t learn enough about him to believe that he would want to do any of it. It turns out that he was just a puppet too, how lame is that?
What if the Joker was just a puppet of some random character like Rachel Dawes of the last movie? How stupid would it have been? And you say Bane is better than the Joker? That “opinion” is just completely wrong and not even remotely respectable. Bane isn’t going to be nominated for any awards, ever. Oh yeah, and his career is over. Don’t you remember how much Heath Ledger worked on his role? The dedication is unrivaled, and you claim that this no name dude who’s pretending to be a badass is better?
I will assume that you will sit on your thoughts of this movie and realize that The Dark Knight (which was the only film deserving of the genre “crime drama” in the series) had far more staying power than this mediocre, superhero summer flick.
You obviously understood that there were some things seriously wrong with the movie, so how, with all of that, can you say TDKR is better? Why don’t you just say, “yeah the movie had major issues, but it was at least better than its predecessor.”
That’s just straight up disrespectful to the last movie, which actually stood on its own. You didn’t have to see “batman begins” to watch TDK, but look at how much TDKR alludes to TDK. You can’t watch TDKR without having seen TDK or you’ll be lost. TDKR is better, WTF??? You’re crazy, son. Can I hit those rocks?
Gotham City couldn’t be entered or left at one point in the movie but Batman just magically appears there after he was last seen on the other side of the world, no explanation, no nothing. So dumb.
Nolan also just added a bunch of random Batman characters (like Catwoman and “you know who”) that had no superhero or supervillain qualities to speak of, just for the sake of throwing them in.
“Ooh, you’re clever, you made a Batman movie where all the characters are just normal people like any other drama… except for the fact that Batman is shitting all over it with his ‘big, bad, I mean, dipshit’ voice.” It’s easy to just name all of your characters after batman people, there’s just no point in doing it.
I’m going to make a crime drama exactly like heat, except name the robbers “the joker” and “mr. freeze,” and the cops will be named “batman” and “robin,” and they’ll just shoot at each other with machine guns throughout the whole movie. Gee, won’t it be great? Lame, James. So lame.
July 25, 2012 at 7:30 pm
love the motorhead shirt
July 26, 2012 at 11:29 am
I’m not sure why you did this spoiler-free since just about everybody is going to see this movie at some point, and you can’t really do much of a review without spoilers. I would have liked to know what you’re complaints were but you couldn’t let on because they were spoilers.
I’m also interested what your issues with suspension of disbelief were. Was it the reactor? Batman climbing out of the jail? The cops under ground for 3 months? The flying bat vehicle? I’m ever so curious.
Anyway, I just saw it yesterday and I immensely enjoyed it. I heard they were going to reboot Batman after this which I found mindboggling, but maybe you are right and it is time for something different. We’ll have to see. Nobody ever thought there would be a good Batman movie again until Nolan came along, so maybe the next guy can do something different but also good.
July 26, 2012 at 7:45 pm
July 24, 2012 at 11:07 pm
This movie was the worst. Totally killed Batman and has a ton of plotholes.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1345836/board/nest/202245927 Here are 70 reasons why.
Seriously? I couldn’t even read half of this because the writer of this opinion piece obviously either didn’t watch the trilogy, or has massively deficient inference skills. If you don’t like the movie as much as the first two, or at all, that is your opinion and that’s fine, but how about actually trying to think and infer some of these easily explained “plot holes” away. It’s not rocket science, and one has to keep in mind that even though Nolan BASES his movies in reality, they are still also rooted in comic books and like any other fictional movie, one needs to have a degree of suspension of disbelief.
July 27, 2012 at 4:49 am
biggest problem in the movie: inaudible.
yep, thanks to nolan’s love for disrupting crystal clear audio (he gave batty a raspy voice), now bane has audio that cannot be discerned. there is some socialist dialogue in the film and you cannot always hear it clearly. it ruins the experience. i understood 70% of the audio from bane. the rest was clear enough but barely (batman’s raspy voice is still annoying).
July 27, 2012 at 6:07 pm
I dont know why people riff on this movie. I thought it was good, not perfect but good. There are some plot holes but most of the movie is good. Theres lots of suspense and action and the story and characters were wonderful. Are there some flaws in it? “OF COURSE!!!” FROM M. BISON 🙂 But every movie does even the ones we cherish. Banes voice was odd and way too loud, some characters like Catwoman were slightly pointless but picked up in the end. The relationship between this movie and the Dark Knight is like misty fog, but it was still great but not as good as dark knight. The Dark Knight acts like a crime drama and has a perfect setup that moves at a fast pace.As a whole this trilogy is great 10-10 great. Great Review James. Looking forward to your movie. 🙂
July 27, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Christopher Nolan showed us that he can take old characters and turn them into something new and fresh. Banes origin was better fitted for this universe. Hopefully Superman can actually fly off the ground after 3 straight terrible movies. One can only hope.
July 27, 2012 at 6:46 pm
I love The Dark Knight Rises and It’s an Awesome cap to the trilogy, It’s my #1 favorite Superhero movie of all time. 🙂
July 27, 2012 at 11:33 pm
I hope he does a spoiler filled review or discussion. That would be awesome.
July 29, 2012 at 12:54 am
I saw this movie about 5 hours ago, and in my opinion, Bane sucked.
August 2, 2012 at 5:01 am
whenever they add a 30 lb anerexic cunt beating up 300 lb men in a movie all realism is out the window thus the movie sucks therefore i knew this batman movie wasn’t worth seeing… its a shame they did that to this one cause it had a LOT of potential… so much for this franchise… 🙁
August 3, 2012 at 12:12 pm
I think he is talking about Robin. His name isn’t John Blake. It’s Tim Drake. In the comics Drake (not Grayson) is the one that is able to deduce that Batman is Bruce Wayne at a young age. Just like in the movie. However, he was never a cop. I understand why Nolan did what he did, to save the surprise for the end, but he definitely took more liberties with that character than that of Bane.
August 7, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Just watched this after seeing it myself and you’re pretty much on the same track as I am. The movie was pretty much excellent and as did you, I read the Knightfall as a preparation as well. After that I was really getting anxious to see this film, I really wanted to see a well executed Bane this time and see how he tries to tear down Gotham and Bruce Wayne/Batman with it. I don’t know why a lot of people are hating on it though, sure in a way his plans are similar to Jokers, but whereas Joker goes for utter chaos for the fun of it, Bane goes for total destruction, devastation and punishment. What made Bane so interesting to me compared to other Bat villains is his wits, he’s not just a musclebound troll with no brains, he’s a villain who plans his moves carefully. Man was he done good in this movie, that was until Miranda pops up and pretty much took about two stars out of my experience. That was really an unnecessary plot twist.
That aside I really enjoyed the movie and it’s probably my favorite of the trilogy.
Good luck finishing the AVGN movie and keep us posted =)
August 7, 2012 at 9:03 pm
Good review,but I disagree I liked Joker played by Heath Ledger a lot more over Tom Hardy’s Bane, to me Heath was more likable as a villain as you couldn’t take your eyes off of him. He was more in your face where as Bane was more annoying like you hoped he died so you can move on! Hope to see a review of The Avengers.
August 8, 2012 at 1:34 pm
pinkwerewolf, plotholes doesnt make a movie bad, and many of those “plotholes” i can myself answer. The movie isnt bad at all, it is pretty good. And The Dark Knight and Begins had plotholes.
August 8, 2012 at 5:51 pm
I have a hard time imagining what would be next for Batman. I agree that it would be great to see something brand new. But that is dangerous, because it might end up being totally shit. It’s safer to stick with something that works. I think that Christopher Nolan already made Batman into something brand new when he made Batman Begins. So the choices are Tim Burton’s surreal comic-book world, Christopher Nolan’s more realistic world. Or comedy style Batman, like the movie Batman & Robin and the 60’s TV-series, but I hope it doesn’t come to that :).
August 13, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Drew0987: Calm down twerp it’s an opinion on a movie not science you goober f@#king mook.
U mad over a Batman review? Go get some pussy (if you can) and chill out.
Same goes for the rest of you whining mudflaps, it’s his opinion.
Deal with it.
August 14, 2012 at 11:58 pm
Great review. Totally agree about the Miranda character. Have to disagree about Bane being superior to Ledger’s Joker. I think that Joker may be one of the greatest villains in the history of cinema; although Bane was very, very good.
Appreciate the nod to the victims of the shooting in Aurora also. I live here in Littleton not far from where the shooting occured. It was a terrible thing.
My brother in law and I went to see the movie just a couple days later, we thought it would be a good idea to get out and live our lives, you know. It was pretty surreal for the first ten minutes or so. There was a considerable nervous energy in the crowd for sure. But it wasn’t long before everyone was into the it and able to do what we were there to do: enjoy a great movie.
August 15, 2012 at 1:17 pm
they tried to do too much!!!!!!! they crammed 3 movies into one, and they shouldnt have revealed robin just yet, and batgirl or catwoman or whatever the hell she was sucked nuts, but bain was killer, excellent character in the movie.
August 15, 2012 at 1:18 pm
RIP Colorado victims. keep nutts in the picture, and out of the theaters.
August 15, 2012 at 9:55 pm
lol what moronic reasons for hating a movie
August 20, 2012 at 5:19 pm
When it comes to the Nolan trilogy, I loved it completely. I never bother to rib on plotholes or complain about inconsistencies in a movie unless they were extremely glaring and made me question my own judgement. But this movie , nor did this trilogy ever do that. Besides, I feel that if you attack every plothole or inconsistency and criticize everything in a movie that you watch, you’re never going to enjoy a movie
I did enjoy Bane, and I give a lot of props to him because he had to succeed a villain and an actor that portrayed the Joker very well. As for Catwoman, I never found a problem with Anne Hathaway. Sure I know Halley Berry (spell check) was Catwoman in the other movie, but that movie was picked apart by so many people I understand why Nolan decided on someone else.
Overall, I loved the Dark Knight Rises. It is up there in my top 5 favorite movies I have seen in 2011-2012. I look past any mistakes because all movies have them (undeniably). And hey it’s my opinion. It’s not wrong for me to have this opinion.
September 16, 2012 at 3:49 pm
My comments are mainly for drew0987 and pinkwerewolf
First off why don’t you relax drew, James was merely stating his OPINION and even though I too personal prefer The Dark Knight and the Joker in terms of a villain. However I believe Hardy gave a great performance as Bane and found it an interesting take on the character.
I don’t get the constant bitching people have about his Bane’s voice I could understand him fine. Now would I have made the same voice alterations if I made the movie, probably not. But that was Nolan’s choice to make.
Also drew and pinkWW, you seem to bitch about certain plot points that are just ridiculous. Do you really need every little thing explained to you? How did he get back into the city? HE’S BATMAN! I will admit that Bale took the raspy voice to the extreme, but it has been discussed in not only the batman comics but others as well the need to disguise your voice, so I let it slide. I will also admit the nuke was a little cliche but Nolan needed the plot point of appending doom/ time is running out. A big running theme in TDKR was desperation and that this situation was beyond batman’s control. So thusly Batman needed to rely on others and understand he can’t do it all alone. Which they touched on in the last film but leaned on in this one.
Also drew you seem to bitch at the fact that the villains in Nolan’s are normal people. What should Nolan have done? Gone the Schumacher route and make them so over the top it ruins the franchise for 8 years. The fact still remains that these villains and heroes are not normal, THEY ARE FUCKING CRAZY. Even Batman/ Bruce Wayne is a severely disturbed human being, but it takes crazy people to do crazy things.
It’s seems that drew and pink werewolf just like to bitch for the sake of bitching. It’s easy to talk trash about things, how about something constructive or maybe mention some positive things about the film before you pick it apart.
All in all, I enjoyed TDKR and felt it was a good conclusion to Nolan’s trilogy and would give it a 4 out of 5. And if I had to rank Nolan’s Batman films:
1st) The Dark Knight
2nd) The Dark Knight Rises
3rd) Batman Begins
Thats just MY OPINION.
October 12, 2012 at 9:37 pm
WTF with the poor James? he is just making his own review , and in the end, it’s a freaking damn movie… We did not get the part of it, we only see it , that’s it! No complaints about it, if you like it great, if you don’t, just make clever statements with good manners!
In my opinion, I’ve enjoyed so much the movie.. It has that theorical idea of how a our hero rises and learns how to do it. The villain it’s so damn great overall for me! the reason why the best villains are standing for are because just they crapout for victims with no explanation behind. We saw it on Michael bay’s Elm Street (We do not want to see that side from Freddy, just go to the point and kill that is scary already!) . Of course not always is good, (in example , we have megatron in Transformer movies which do not seems like a true villain , he just stands there like a bad and that’s it) …But Bane, not matter what, he gets the whole city fucked up, yes he is kind of a puppet but he stills do what he has to do! he don’t “simply destroys the city as every other villain” as a user says upstairs. he actually don’t care about Gotham! His only purpose was to commit the things getting right and done , and to make a more suffering process to Batman, just cuz he can! I mean, that is clever! of course the Jokers were great! but We wanted to see other characters! what about killer croc? Bictor Zasz? a true Riddler? a TRUE BANE? this one’s pretty good!… We always judge the way of how a character looks like , but we don’t see the essential fact that is going on with him/her. All the other characters actings are pretty good. Catwoman and Gordon (man! gordon best perfomance!) … it’s fun to watch and worth a while !!! Thumbs up and thank you very much for your effort James!
January 31, 2013 at 4:53 pm
Um, uh, you should, um, do your, uh, reviews in uh, the pre-recorded and um, edited style. These uh, one-take live ones semm to, um, give you some, uh, trouble.
August 4, 2013 at 10:39 am
Pesonnally I’ve seen all Batman movies (exept the 60’s one) but it’s the only one I’ve seen in theater and I didn’t like it 🙁
December 16, 2013 at 1:22 am
This is a good movie, but it is definitely the least good in the trilogy.
January 2, 2014 at 11:20 pm
You should play the batman arkham games whenever you get the chance
May 5, 2014 at 6:26 pm
This movie was SHIT!
July 11, 2015 at 6:32 pm
Right? The soundtrack is horrible, a real torture. IT NEVER STOPS, thet are absolutely no silent moody moment in it. Painfully bad movie.
July 5, 2016 at 5:45 am
Why does it say Dark Knight Rises 2012 when its review on The Dark Knight 2008?
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