Mike / October 28th, 2011
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October 28, 2011 at 12:03 am
the assassins creed trailer is so fucking awful
July 28, 2013 at 4:43 pm
dude, that game is awesome
October 23, 2015 at 4:17 pm
Thanks again James for Monster Madness!
October 28, 2011 at 12:06 am
Once again, great review. Greatly appreciate the work you guys put forth,
October 28, 2011 at 12:09 am
Thanks James! Hey guys, don’t forget that James writes and edits all this stuff himself. This video is 11 MINUTES LONG. How long would it take one of you guys to WRITE and then EDIT an 11 minute long piece????? In total he has probably produced 3 or more hours of content for Monster Madness month. THAT IS AN INSANE AMOUNT OF WORK. So bow down and worship our buddy James!!!!!!
October 28, 2011 at 12:11 am
JAMES are you going to include the rob zombie remakes cuz those are great movies too, although part 2 kinda sucked, and they never really explain the whole white horse thing… it took me like 2 or 3 months to watch that movie all the way threw because it just doesnt hook me into the story …and they didnt even get the same kid to be the child michael
October 28, 2011 at 12:19 am
Wow…. producer cut seems completely stupid! What the fuck were they on? O.o Never seen this one need to get it somewhere and check it out. Thanks James Can’t wait for H20, Resurrection and Rob Zombie’s Sequels
October 28, 2011 at 12:20 am
*Remake and Sequel
October 28, 2011 at 12:25 am
Sure James does a lot of writing and editing himself, but you can’t forget the amount of work Mike also puts into Cinemassacre. The two of them work hard and BOTH of them deserve good credit.
Anyways, Halloween 6 is a pretty bad entree to the series. Personally, the first one will always be the best for it’s originality and creative filmmaking. Besides, John Carpenter is among the most talented filmmakers and has created a horror classic.
Thanks a bunch you guys, can’t wait for H20 and the remake!
I don’t know if the idea of Michael Meyers having sex is funny or disturbing. Just imagine him moaning, breathing heavily, and sweating. But God it’s with his niece, so it’s disturbing. When I watch the scene with his niece in the coffin in part V, I will never look at it the same way again.
October 28, 2011 at 12:28 am
For the record, Halloween doesn’t have “creepy sacrificial origins”. That was a bunch of BS spread by the Catholic church, to further demonize what little was left of the native Pagan cultures (after they had either murdered or forcibly converted people). Samhain, the original Celtic holiday, was basically the “Celtic New Year”, as well as being their “Day of the Dead”, a day when they believed the barrier between the world of the living and the world of the dead was weakest, and spirits could cross over. They wore ceremonial face-paint and costumes and such, both to ward off evil spirits, as well as so their dead friends and relatives would recognize them. It was basically an all-night shindig of huge bon fires, games, feasts, storytelling, drunken dancing and singing, and spiritual stuff.
Point being, no sacrifices. There was history of sacrifice on the rare occasion in ancient Celtic history, but it’s not what most people think, and certainly had nothing to do with Samhain. In fact, long story short, it was almost entirely a voluntary affair, and was usually seen as a tradeoff for something of equal value (saving someone else’s life, ending a famine, etc.). Sorry to be all history nerd on ya, but I just felt like I had to say that.
As for this movie…..yeah. It’s bad. But then again, as I’ve said before, I don’t care for slashers in general, and only like the first Halloween, because it was low on gore and more “classy”, if you want to call it that. The sequels, like pretty much all of the sequels to all of the long horror franchises from the 80s onward (Freddy, Jason, Halloween, Leprechaun, Chucky, etc.) get pretty ridiculous, incoherent and lame. A funny note on almost all of those though….almost without exception (the exception probably being The Leprechaun), most of those series, like Halloween, Nightmare on Elm Street, Friday the 13th, Child’s Play, etc., started off with the first film being totally serious. And as more sequels were made, they ALL pretty much became self-parody.
October 28, 2011 at 12:30 am
In the immortal words of Dennis Hopper; “You’re right. It does look like shit.” lol! 6 and Resurrection are the only two I haven’t seen and with good reason. They’re the worst of the series. I liked H20. It should have ended with Laurie chopping Michael’s head off. But it shouldn’t exist. Michael died in part two. Simple as that. What they could have done for 4 through six is have this voodoo master, as I call him, become an obsessed fan of Michael’s and resurrect him from the dead as a zombie. Essentially ripping off Friday The 13th, which ended up ripping off Halloween. Oh well, that past is the past. Thanks for this episode James. Looking forward to the next 4. : )
October 28, 2011 at 12:32 am
At least the producers cut made the movie intelligible. I mean, I watch the theatrical cut and I don’t even know what’s going on!
October 28, 2011 at 12:34 am
SIR CHRISTOPHER LEE SAID THAT HAMMER’S DRACULA SERIES WAS WRITTING THE STORIES FIRST, AND WERE TRYING TO FIT THE CHARACTER INTO THAT STORY…….
i cannot help to feel the same way with Halloween 6. Though I do think that this film’s first hour is an improvement to the previous film, but the last half hour is a “what the fuck was that all about?’ Halloween 6 has its ups and downs, and also marks the end of the late Donald Pleasence career.
October 28, 2011 at 12:37 am
Well the whole “someone else pulling the strings” idea behind Michael, again returning to the Friday the 13th reference, is technically whats driving Jason Voorhees, his mother is who influenced him the most, and its been seen many times that when someone looks like his mother or even Jason HIMSELF and talks to him, he averts his attention to them and pauses, Ginny used this against him in Part 2, this downside ultimately fucked him over when Tommy used it to finally kill him in part 4, Freddy used Pamela Voorhees’ likeness to tell Jason to kill on Elm Street in Freddy vs Jason, and finally in the 2009 reboot, the girl he abducts looks, to him, like Pamela and uses her looks to calm the enraged Jason during the middle of the film. I guess they were trying to give a motive for the killers but I have to say Michael could do without an influence because hes already psychotic to begin with. Had Pamela not been killed I DOUBT Jason would have become the iconic manslayer he is today. some need a background motive, some dont, Jason does, Michael does not.
I cannot believe that was the original story idea. I had no idea and I am going to have a real hard time not thinking of the Producers Cut every time I watch Halloween. That ending you clipped in was priceless, I wouldn’t doubt if they filmed that clip at the end of production. It really is Sad James I cannot believe that original script had a Green Light. I cannot believe “The Avgn movie” needs public fundraising, and this FLoppy donkey dick movie (oh I meant franchise series) had a few million budget…WTF is up with Hollywood sometimes, James & Mike your awesome and thanx for another upload!!!!
Hey, first time commenter.
After watching James’s review, I was wondering why so many of the scenes were of such shitty quality. I looked on Wikipedia, and after reading what I’ve read on there, I’m starting to wonder if James has the two cuts confused (ie, he’s calling the theatrical cut the “producer’s cut” and the “producer’s cut” the theatrical cut). Now, just because Wikipedia says something doesn’t make it true, so it could be that Wikipedia has the two cuts confused.
By anyhoo, I was just wondering if someone could clarify this for me.
October 28, 2011 at 12:42 am
i was like wtf when you said Michael fucked his own niece. lol
October 28, 2011 at 12:48 am
The film was supposed to be released as the so called Producers Cut. The only reason why this film was changed was because one 14 year old in a test screening had problems with it. Rightfully so. Still just one complaint spawned the reshoots.
Since Donald had recently passed, they obviously couldn’t use him in the reshoots. So they killed him off. So Loomis goes back into the asylum, either to track down Wynn or make sure Michael’s dead either way he crosses into Michael’s path and his former paitent kills him once and for all. So you think that scream was one of the worst send offs to any actor. well how about killing his character just because they cannot use him anymore with the recycled scream. Yeah that’s worse.
October 28, 2011 at 1:01 am
so…what is the directors cut ending of H6 supposed to mean? with the mask and the needle? seriously, wtf?
October 28, 2011 at 1:03 am
I disagree with you about the portrayal of Tommy Doyle. I think he’s scarred by the events of the first movie (and one could assume the second movie, knowing “The Boogeyman” survived once before), thus creating his brooding mannerisms and monotonous voice. Also, I think Tommy killing Michael in the end showed that he had finally overcame his past. But that’s just my opinion…
I agree with you about everything else. I used to really like the explanation of why he kills (I still think it was a great attempt), but he really was much better when we really knew nothing about “The Shape”…
October 28, 2011 at 1:06 am
Okay, I re-watched James’s review, and I was the one that got everything mixed up. Sorry, my fault.
So, yeah, I definitely think the theatrical cut is the superior version.
October 28, 2011 at 1:10 am
Hobblegobble what’s not to get? It simply means that the evil on two legs cannot be vanquished by a simple lead pipe. He simply got up and walked away, and according to those in charge of this film killed Loomis.
October 28, 2011 at 1:21 am
Thanks for going into the so-called Producer’s Cut, James. I recently went through all of the “Halloween” sequels (you’re pretty much spot-on with all of them so far; I agree completely with all points), and while the others entertained me, this one was a turd sandwich. I then read about the original cut and thought about maybe checking it out, but after seeing this video, I have no need to: it looks every bit as turdacious as the theatrical cut. Ugh. Nothing can save that movie.
October 28, 2011 at 1:26 am
I’m glad you spat out all the negative stuff about Michael Myers, James. Finally someone does it and who’d be best to do it than you?
Anyway, the Halloween series hasn’t aged very well. As the series progress, each film gets worse all the time and it’s painful to see such an established franchise to go down the drain. At least that’s how I see it. Michael Myers is an iconic character but it’s sad that the filmmakers don’t utilize him well.
The biggest gripe I have with him is that his personal background and information is too vague. Normally, that’s a good thing because it makes the character more mysterious but the problem is that Michael is too ambiguous that it raises a lot of unanswered questions. Why is he invulnerable to bullets? Why is his skin look perfectly fine after suffering major burns and bullet wounds? Why can he still see after losing his eyes from gunshot wounds? Why is he so hellbent on killing his family members? Why does he keep wearing the same boiler outfit and white mask? Why doesn’t he talk?
The list goes on and on and it’s annoying the series doesn’t explain any of this at all. If you look at other modern horror icons like Jason Vorhees, Freddy Krueger and Chucky, they each have their own back story and even though it’s not that elaborate and they stray far away from any scientific explanation, it still makes sense because now you know why they became what they are now and why they love what they do. By knowing the character’s motive and background, you care about them more and even root for them sometimes.
For Halloween, they try to explain Michael Myers’ back story in part 6 (The Curse of Michael Myers) but the explanation is too farfetched, rushed and feels like an after thought. Not well executed. I really feel sorry for Donald Pleasance who had to act in every Michael Myers movie until his death in 1995. I feel that the filmmakers wasted his time with these movies. All he ever did was trying to convince the people that Michael Myers is extremely dangerous but it all boils down to the same conclusion- no one believes him.
Personally, I think Michael Myers should’ve died permanently in Halloween 4. He should be severely severed like a Mortal Kombat fatality and his niece, Jamie Lloyd, should replace him. I think it’d be a neat idea to have Jamie as the new female serial killer wearing a devilish looking white mask, having a curvy figure and kills people like Michael. Wouldn’t that be awesome? They could’ve also ended Michael Myers in Halloween H20 but they didn’t. Resurrection is a complete joke and the Rob Zombie remakes are a waste of time.
Like what James said before, I agree that the series should be an anthology of sort with each Halloween movie representing different antagonists and different stories. That would be more of an interesting premise that what it has become now.
October 28, 2011 at 1:27 am
Its been years since I watched any of these except i just caught Rob Zombies version of the first Halloween in which he kills the Strodes off right away. What was Rob Zombies point of remaking that movie anyways, little Michael sucks and so did Lori
October 28, 2011 at 1:29 am
ill not flood an entire comment about “this is right, this is wrong, etc” , ill only say this is a great review. thanks james.
October 28, 2011 at 1:31 am
wow what a crap film. However if I had to pick a posion it would be the theatrical version.
October 28, 2011 at 1:51 am
I don’t know which way to beat Michael Myers was worse, the goddamn stones or being beaten to death with a lead pipe. I think I’ll go with the latter because Tommy is such a fucking tool it blows my mind that he would defeat Michael, he’s the kind of person you want to see Michael kill, not kill Michael.
October 28, 2011 at 1:52 am
Great review lol
October 28, 2011 at 2:05 am
Seriously what the hell were they thinking with that “producers cut” version. I can honestly say just from what James has shown here that the final version is infinitely better. Not only do they use Michael better but the ending is far less retarded. On that note as others have pointed out the pipe didn’t kill him, it just put him down for awhile when combined with whatever the syringes were full of. Speaking of which i think the stuff all over his mask when he’s getting beat to hell is supposed to be the stuff from said syringes leaking from the wounds, it’s roughly the same color. Personally I wonder more about where it went since it wasn’t on the mask in the final shot?
I do agree that giving Michael this mystical background kinda ruins him but at the same time you could take it as a way of explaining why he’s virtually immortal. After all if curses are real why can’t an immortal bound to that curse exist. Not to mention the whole mystical background thing comes up in every slasher franchise I know of to make it past 2 movies with the exception of Scream and Saw, some even start with it – see Hellraiser and Child’s Play. As for the whole Michael raping his teenage cousin thing I think it’s safer to say they just used artificial means of conception since it was at least implied he was the father in both versions. I mean really how do you force Michael to do anything in the first place? This is a guy that slaughtered an entire police station full of armed cops single handed. I also don’t think it’s that hard to understand why they did it, at least in the theatrical version especially since the crazy cult doctor flat out explains to Loomis why he did it.
That said I disagree on the subject of Tommy. I mean given what he went through at a young age he’s obviously gonna be a little messed up so his flat nature makes sense along with why he proceeded to beat the hell out of Michael after injecting him with god knows what instead of running with the chick and baby to safety. Also they don’t make him a pervert from the word go. By his own admission he was watching the house for Michael’s return, not the girl undressing. If he really had been peeping do you honestly think he would have had the light on let alone stood there looking back at her when she looked at him? Anyway I could explain more of the stuff James said made the movie a mess but this is already a really long comment plus it’s all actually explained in the movie so I’m kinda confused why he thinks it’s so convoluted.
October 28, 2011 at 2:09 am
I cant wait for the H20 review. That was a good halloween movie and to me the last one the one after it was terrible.
October 28, 2011 at 2:16 am
I agree with your opinions on this but magick depending on which side of the fence you’re on is either complete and utter rubbish or something to be feared and/or respected… Personally I sit on the fence, I believe some of it to complete and utter rubbish but at the same time I wouldn’t go about gallivanting around with it because I don’t understand it.
These Reviews of The Halloween films are great. I’d seen the first 5 orginal movies when I was a kid. I’ve never seen This one or the next 2.
I decided to give the remakes a chance and I actually enjoy them.
I’m assuming the next 2 will be “H20″ and “Resurrection” and The last on Halloween itself will be The Rob Zombies remakes in one. I’m really looking forward to seeing the rest.
October 28, 2011 at 2:21 am
Good gravy, does that all sound horrible.
And as much as I think the series should have stopped after the first one (MAYBE the second if I’m feeling generous), the basic story behind 4-6 could potentially have been used to make something at least halfway decent. If anyone creatively involved had given even the slightest, tiniest hint of a shit.
October 28, 2011 at 2:40 am
You know what would have been a great way to end the character? Let Michael Myers kill everyone that he is after, he then burns down the Myers house with him inside it. Eventually the house is nothing but ashes, with no remains of it or Michael. No one rebuilds over the property the house once stood and it just becomes an empty lot that is grown over with weeds, though the story remains
It’s a simple, powerful, and fitting way to end it. Maybe some people wouldn’t like to see him undo himself, but what else does he have to live for now? I just wrote that in about 5 mintues, if that, and it’s way better than what they did with it in both endings.
Maybe he can go to prison and Colonel Trautmen will ask for his assistance with some POW’s, and this sets us up for the sequel. This way we know it wont be true to his origins, but it will be awesome.
Good review James, October is almost over and I’m sad to think I wont have these videos every night.
October 28, 2011 at 2:42 am
Wow…just…wow. I still want to see it, I guess I mean…I haven’t yet so it’d be worth it to me but it’s probably going to suck ._. thanks for the review James, I won’t go into it expecting much.
October 28, 2011 at 2:50 am
part 3 and this one are by far the worst of the halloween movies.
October 28, 2011 at 2:58 am
I didn’t realise that Paul Rudd played Tommy Doyle. Wow.
Yeah, i’ve only seen the theatrical version and it was a mess. I agree that they should never have even attempted to explain Michael Myers ‘raison d’etre’; he’s a force of nature, and is scary because there is no way of dealing with him.
I can understand that from a franchise perspective this makes it very difficult to keep pumping them out, especially when Friday the 13th was staying (largely) true to the slasher type. I guess they needed some market differential to separate them from their many competitors. This isn’t a justification for the film, ideally for me there wouldn’t be ANY sequels to Carpenter’s original.
And as i’ve never posted on here after probably 4 years of coming here, keep up the great work! I like that whilst you review ‘bad’ games/films, you can tell that there is also an appeal in them for being bad, and I think this separates you from many of the other peeps doing a similar sort of thing. Awesome stuff!
October 28, 2011 at 3:03 am
I love how James pulls apart all these movies and shows how ridiculous they are. Thanks for the awesome review. You obviously worked hard on it. It’s all getting me in the Halloween spirit.
October 28, 2011 at 3:05 am
these movies got a little too fucked up for my taste.
October 28, 2011 at 3:31 am
I love this movie. It’s creepy and dark with great atmosphere. Don’t understand any hate for it or for any of the sequels, because they are all really great.
October 28, 2011 at 3:40 am
While I’ll agree that this is the more weaker triology within the series, as a stand alone, it’s not that terrible, so long as you leave out the producer’s cut. However, I’ll take the first three films first, then these three.
October 28, 2011 at 3:46 am
Yeah, this is a terrible film.
October 28, 2011 at 3:55 am
Please review Revenge of the Pink Panther
October 28, 2011 at 3:58 am
Thought I’d drop a little nugget of information on the Thorn symbol since it seems to mystify alot of people. The symbol is actually part of the norse/germanic runic alphabet that was used in Scandinavia, some parts of Germany and the anglo-saxon parts of the British isles in the pre-christian era and the corresponding letter does infact still exist in the icelandic language & alphabet to this day in its archaic form. Runic alphabet was the original written tongue of the germanic peoples and was used mostly on runestones and such to describe important events, places, poetry and so on but unlike the letters today each rune also carried various symbolic meanings.
Thorn (or Thurisaz or Thurs as it was called in the norse language) was the symbol of giants who waged war against men and gods. Generally it was propably considered a negative symbol that causes pain, chaos, disruption and… well you get the idea. If you want to associate some mythical symbol with Michael Myers Thorn would actually be quite appropriate except for the fact that the cult in this movie are supposed to be celtic and celts didn’t use the same runic alphabet. So basically this movie is a rotting confusing mess on more levels than most even realize.
Anyways, great review as always. Hope you’ll say something about the remake and its sequel as well.
October 28, 2011 at 4:16 am
This hands down has to be the shitest one of all the movies and that includes the Rob Zombie trailer trash ones! For me the best of the sequels was H2O
October 28, 2011 at 4:31 am
Great Review as ever James!
Sadly October is slowly coming to its End…
Anyway, keep it up & coming James!
Greetings from Germany.
October 28, 2011 at 4:45 am
Well said James! I agree with you 100%! Both versions are atrocious.
I also felt the same way about Alien3 and about that Exorcist Prequel. The workprint cut of Alien 3 was frustratingly bad, and then the theatrical was entertaining and bad. Same goes for Exorcist Prequel.
But everyone kept telling me “See the workprint/director’s/producer’s cut! It’s awesome!” Um, no it isn’t! It’s boring and frustrating, convoluted and incoherent! And it ruins the mythology! (in all 3 examples!)
I TOTALLY see why they reshot and recut these botched horror films. They did what they could, but they’re still a mess.
October 28, 2011 at 4:46 am
Are we ignoring the fact that Tommy is Paul Rudd, in his worst movie appearance ever? How did the guy get hired after this shitfest! He’s now leading man material!!!
October 28, 2011 at 5:02 am
When the movie originally came out it was the Producers cut, I distinctly remember it. As I have never see the alternative, but saw the original in the theatre and yes he gets beat for what seems forever with a pipe, Loomis going backinside and asking why? the whole bit. All this and I was like 10.
Isn’t Fatal Frames Donald Pleasence’s last film?
October 28, 2011 at 5:10 am
I think that’s the first Halloween sequel I ever watched. Yeah, not a very bright idea. I basically stopped watching after this whole Druid stuff got mentioned…
October 28, 2011 at 5:12 am
I only saw the 4th one completely, bits of the 5th and I didn’t bother with any of them after that. But after following James reviews about the “Thorn” trilogy it seems to me a wasted opportunity. If they were going to use the idea of a cult and symbol why not have it tied into the Silver Shamrock company from the 3rd movie.
It would have brought that movie in out of the cold so to speak, would have given the Myers series the illusion of a larger conspiracy going on that would have had its own movie all together just to set them up and hell! Instead of having the throwaway doctor colleague from the first being Michael’s caretaker why not a messed up version of Dan O Herlihy’s character.
The more I think about it, the more it would have helped the series direction since part four.
For me its a damn shame. They didn’t have to go inventing new stuff, they just had to look into the prospect of what was already established in the franchise. Although, I do like what Fulci Lives explains about the “Giants who wage war on humans/gods” symbolism of the thorn would it have been so difficult to have that symbol be a minimalist version of the Silver Shamrock?
October 28, 2011 at 5:33 am
I love your reviews and this is kind of a petty complaint. Since you started doing Halloween sequels I was thinking man I can’t wait till he gets to 6 to hear what he has to say about Paul Rudd. You mention almost any obscure horror actor in any review, but this one had no mention or anything of Rudd. No “that’s right kids, Role Model’s Paul Rudd” The guy is on the cusp of being a huge star and he probably regrets making this movie as much as you do watching it lol. I think it deserved a mention and probably a lost opportunity for a decent laugh. Besides that, all the love in the world to you James.
October 28, 2011 at 5:49 am
Wow I can’t believe that they would ruin Halloween this much. I think I only saw 1&2 (and H20) and it has been quite interesting to see what kind of weird movies rest of the series are.
Nice work James, really like your work!
October 28, 2011 at 6:17 am
I hate this movie. When I watched this during my Halloween marathon, I was stomped by the horrible acting of that fucking Tommy-guy and by the hilarious appearance of Michael (look how fat he is!). And then there is a lot of these strobo lights and close-ups of faces’ and stuff. And yes, it’s explanation got me saying ‘WTF?!’ a soon I’ve seen it.
Although I’ve seen this just last year, I still hate the producers – or actually the writers – for realeasing this shit six years after its predecessor! I just cannot imagine how it would have been waiting for this movie for such a long time and seeing it in cinema’s, being stomped by its stupidity and lack of creativity.
This movie is horrible in the way I just HATE it.
October 28, 2011 at 6:23 am
I’ve only ever seen the theatrical cut, but swear that there is implication that it’s Michael’s baby there, as well? I’ve always known that plot point, anyways, and felt it was twisted. Not sure where i could have heard it if not from the theatrical cut? (I’ve seen this one probably twice. They air it occasionally around Halloween on Satellite.)
I also never realized Tommy was Paul Rudd until the second time i saw the film, which was years after he had become a star. Pretty funny to watch, now. You understand now why he stopped trying to “act” and just started playing himself in everything.
October 28, 2011 at 6:43 am
@left3 i don’t think they can do that. in the third movie, the characters are watching the original halloween movie, making its setting to be in the “real” world.
October 28, 2011 at 7:13 am
I’d love it if they pulled off Michaels mask and it was Inspector Clouseau all along. “Not now Kato !!! “
October 28, 2011 at 7:37 am
@shaoxuan Ah of course, you’re right. That would have been a glaring inconsistancy. Still though, It would have tickled my geek glands to have had the third given at least a nod in the Myers series rather than it being the wtf storyline of the franchise. It just seemed a shame to have missed the opportunity.
October 28, 2011 at 7:45 am
Din‘t you see how a masterpiece this movie is?
The producers transfered the horror straight to the audience making US all the real victims. We are all scarred for life after seing this movie.
October 28, 2011 at 8:04 am
I agree 100% James. All that cult nonsense flat out killed this series.
October 28, 2011 at 8:16 am
Can’t wait for the 7th one! It’s the only Halloween movie i have seen.
October 28, 2011 at 8:25 am
I have only seen I and II and after seeing these reviews kinda glad im havent seen any others.
October 28, 2011 at 8:29 am
I remember renting this and wondering what the hell was going on. I was a bit put off by the fact that michael was someones pawn throught the whole thing. Such a dumb premise . Great review bro.
All of the Tommy Doyle bashing with the way he behaves, I thought it was rather obvious that the reason he acts like that was because he was something of a little bit mentally disturbed because of his childhood encounter with Michael.
October 28, 2011 at 8:42 am
i can watch all the halloween movies any time, i enjoy them, except this one, Part 6 was the most stupid fucking peice of shit i have ever seen, That is the worst Halloween movie ever.
October 28, 2011 at 9:02 am
I have to disagree a little bit… Okay, I will admit it, I have a bit of a soft spot for the Halloween series. But I thought the 4th and 5th installments were a little weaker than 6. Which I remember sneaking into the theater to see, I think it was even called Halloween 6: The ORIGIN of Michael Myers… They changed the subtitle eventually. Now, I don’t agree with the cult controlling Michael like some sort of mindless drone and yes this film doesn’t really give him much to do. However, when it came out and I saw it, some of the killing scenes were awesome… Sure the story doesn’t make sense, but they became really far fetched two movies before this one… So this one to me at least had some of those creepy elements of Michael stalking the town and returning to a more “The Shape” character as he was in the first… Tommy Doyle sucks as does Paul Rudd who plays him… I always thought Halloween 6 had some of the better moments in the series’ sequels, it was dark and a little creepier than the others… It didn’t make sense and the end of Michael was laughable… But Curse of Michael Myers has some good nostalgia for me and I still watch it… It’s better than Resurrection… I have seen the Producer’s cut (I still think I have it somewhere) it’s different and assuredly worse than the theatrical… But come on, part six isn’t that awful…
October 28, 2011 at 9:05 am
I don’t even remember this one, lmao.
October 28, 2011 at 9:15 am
The ending of this review should have been the end of the movie.
That would have been so much better.
October 28, 2011 at 9:24 am
I quite like the Celtic Thorn thing. I think the pipe ending would have been better, and Tommy would have been less of a dick, if they had made it that the memory of what Michael did that night, to Tommy, to Laurie and to the town, had made him a little crazy and vengeful.
But, that’s a little too Tommy Jarvis, I guess.
October 28, 2011 at 9:40 am
This one was so bad…so so so bad. You need AVGN to describe how awful it truly is. Should have known when the 5th one had three credited writers, meaning there probably really was about 10, that the series was in deep trouble. And this steaming pile proves it.
Thankfully with H20 they said fuck all these horrible sequels. But that one has some problems as well.
October 28, 2011 at 10:24 am
Wow, this looks really bad. I guess the only good ones are I and II.
a post-DOTM Transformers movieverse fanfic
October 28, 2011 at 11:10 am
Is “A cult did it” going to be a new cliche in horror sequels? They did it agian in Paranormal Activity 3.
October 28, 2011 at 11:25 am
LOL, never seen this movie but it must be pretty bad when James almost goes into AVGN mode.
October 28, 2011 at 12:02 pm
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October 28, 2011 at 12:19 pm
To tell the truth I would have loved the plot for this if the series had taken that turn they were aiming for with Halloween 3: This should had been a plot on its own. It still needed some retouches and cutting off bullshit but I saw some potential in it.
October 28, 2011 at 12:59 pm
YOU KNOW WHATS BULLLLLLLSHIT? Michael Myers lol. right at the end of james monster madness clip. ha ha
October 28, 2011 at 1:37 pm
Tell us how you REALLY feel James.
October 28, 2011 at 1:40 pm
it’s almost like they took an unrelated slasher script and just replaced who/whatever the original killer was with Michael Myers. i’ve always dismissed the Thorn stuff as the cult just being a bunch of crazies who decided that was what made Michael tick(kinda like the film makers, but i digress) and then proceeded with all the black robes and whatnot.
October 28, 2011 at 1:55 pm
I downloaded this fan-edit version – http://fanedit.org/83/
This is a kind of try to get the most qualitied version of producers cut.
Btw, I like this movie, but the fifth part is better imho.
October 28, 2011 at 2:44 pm
I remember seeing this years ago, but I never kept up with the plot, which apparently there is hardly one to keep up with….thanks James.
October 28, 2011 at 2:51 pm
Great review, James!
October 28, 2011 at 3:02 pm
“Enough of this Michael Myers bullshit”–my thought’s exactly.
The Halloween series really jumped the shark. But your reviews are entertaining.
October 28, 2011 at 4:12 pm
man, I just watched some of the auditions for the AVGN movie on the Nostalgia Critic page! I think you guys should mention this on the front page
October 28, 2011 at 4:19 pm
Oh come on, it was much better than Halloween 5 (and 8… and the two shitty RZ movies)
I haven’t seen the producers cut, but it looked awful to me from your review, although I do thoroughly enjoy the theatrical cut.
How is the lead pipe ending bad? Michael is just a guy, and being hit in the head with a lead pipe multiple times is enough to stop any normal person. Makes sense to me. To me, all the other movies are at fault for making Michael seem more than human, when he’s not.
October 28, 2011 at 4:28 pm
Fuck. I had some really poignant shit to say about fixing the thorn plot, but I think I’ve posted my comments 3 times now and they aren’t showing up. So.. fuck it. I’ll just add my “this movie sucks” and move along.
October 28, 2011 at 4:32 pm
Hah, interesting. I have the opposite sentiments about the producer’s cut and the theatrical cut. I find the producer’s cut laughably bad, and the theatrical cut frustratingly bad. I know I give a lot of shit to horror films and sequels, but this one really truly deserves all the shit I throw at it. I didn’t like 5, but 5 is a masterpiece when compared to this pile of shit.
The thorn symbolism COULD have been a clever device, but it was completely ruined in part 6. Why didn’t they leave it as maybe the thorn was something of pure evil, and it has subtly influenced people throughout the ages into committing atrocious evil acts; don’t mention anything about sacrificing their family, just leave it at a symbol of pure evil, just like michael myers was described. Make up some ancient history bullshit about how different mass murders, or suicide cults, or historical atrocities have occurred because they were influenced by the thorn. (This may or may not backfire, don’t get TOO loosey goosey with history or people will look it up and see the bullshit) And… there. Michael Myers is once again pure evil and is no longer a pawn and the thorn symbolism starts to kinda work again and almost seems.. clever.
And did anyone notice that poor Jamie was only 16 when she was raped by her murderous uncle and gave birth to their mongoloid baby?
She was 9 years old in part 4, part 5 is one year later so shes now 10. Then part 6 takes place 6 years after that. So that makes her 16. Incest-rape uncle-daddy and then killing her is bad enough, but now remember that she’s a child. That’s fucking horrible.
October 28, 2011 at 4:33 pm
What the fuck. Suddenly my comment shows up. Well fuck me gently with a chainsaw.
October 28, 2011 at 4:38 pm
I actually like both versions but I’m with those horror fans who praise the Producers Cut at least I did when I was younger. I think now years later that it isn’t as great as I thought it was when I first saw it but I liked the mythology of it all kinda like with Jason Goes To Hell. I liked it because it was different and not just the same ol’ hack n slash that Jason always did. I remember when I was younger i hated 6 when i first saw it because it took the gore to a new level and that just wasn’t Myer’s style in my eyes he became Jason. But now I like part 6 I have accepted it for what it is and think its way better than H20. I may be in the minority but H6 is way better than H20 I hate Steve Minor lol what a shitty director but then again I’m not the film maker so who am i to judge? H20 still sucks. BRING BACK THORN!!!
October 28, 2011 at 4:46 pm
October 28, 2011 at 5:38 pm
Now, if they beat him to death with an iron pipe that would have made sense because of the metal’s effects on ghosts and the like. But the lead pipe effing does make no sense, especially when they shot hundreds of magazines into the bastard the entire series.
October 28, 2011 at 5:41 pm
It appears that this movie got Thorn and the runes horridly wrong. Thorn means to protect, theres no curse or anything dumb like that. Also, i’m glad the thing with Micheal being the father was removed. At least we don’t have to watch the rape, but how would they convince him to do that? Doesn’t the first film state he has no human emotions?
October 28, 2011 at 6:22 pm
You know a movie is a mess when they have to change multiple scenes after the initial idea and its still unsatisfying. Pure crap.
October 28, 2011 at 7:45 pm
Great comedy actor Michael Myers. Killing time party on excellent
October 28, 2011 at 8:34 pm
0:59- I always call it the Michael Myers trilogy. Also, I Call Friday 4, 5, and 6 the Tommy Jarvis trilogy, and Nightmare 3, 4, and 5 the Dream trilogy.
5:24- My thoughts exactly after seeing this ending on YouTube last year. After seeing it, I feel I was watching a clip from a horror film with rednecks.
I also enjoyed the head explosion scene. It makes little sense, but any asshole character in a horror film diserved an extremely graphic dead like that.
I’ll stick with the theatrical cut. Not much is explained, but it’s a guiltt pleasure, and is entertaining to watch. BTW, it’s good to know that Paul Rudd went on to do better stuff that this.
October 28, 2011 at 10:28 pm
Lol! The Pink Panther trilogy Now that’s an hilarious coincidence.
I think they added the whole incest revelation just for a cheap shock, they didn’t even try to make it work with the story apparently. It’s good that they got ride of that.
I don’t get the green blood, were they trying to suggest that Michael was not human after all?
@villa I watched them too they’re hilarious. Can’t wait for the AVGN movie.
October 28, 2011 at 11:30 pm
Man these movies are flawed ! That’s probably why I never really got much into the Halloween serie. My first contact with it was Part III at age seven ! I almost crapped my pants and ran away from the TV to another room when a bloody hanged guy dropped from nowhere.
Is that part 3 ?
October 29, 2011 at 12:15 am
THough I agree with most people that Halloween 6 was one of the most unlike sequals. I have to confess i was a little interested in the thorn story line. True it seemed to sound stupid. But I finally found the producer’s cut version online, downloaded it and watched it. Even though the quality of the film was low. Some of the scenes I liked better than the ones used for the final theater version. I can almost understand how they decided to go with the reshoots for the theatrical version being that Donald Pleasence passed away before the movie was released in theaters. So I guess in a way they made it look like his scream you hear in the background at the end of the theatrical cut was perhapes michael finally killing him off once and for all. If he had lived for another one or two. I would have like to see where the thorn story would lead. Maybe michael finally being able to break from the curse and finally being able to die. But again I guess it would have ruined the whole thing about michael being a pure evil unstoppable serial killer. IDK. This is just all my opinion. But bottom line. Even though H20 wasn’t that great and Ressurection was completely pointless. At least they discarded that fact 4,5,6 had ever happened. That trilogy ended up a complete mess in the end.
October 29, 2011 at 5:21 am
What a horrible night to have a curse
October 29, 2011 at 7:53 pm
When I watch them consecutively, I think now that 4-6 were an interesting trilogy. It seems like they originally had a good idea on how to reintroduce Michael Myers in a slightly different way and reveal the story slowly over 3 movies. Then for some reason they were spooked and just didn’t stick with their ideas and they ended up all over the place. Good idea gone bad.
October 29, 2011 at 9:33 pm
I was hoping for a Friday The 13th review… I never really liked Michael Myers movies, only the first trilogy
October 30, 2011 at 12:02 am
people complain that the star wars prequel trilogy is so bad and it’s the worst movie ever well to that I say take a look at Halloween 4, 5 and 6
October 30, 2011 at 8:14 am
Michael stalking scenes and his mask looks much better in this one than 4-5.
October 30, 2011 at 1:45 pm
Hey James, next year can you do a Exploitation-A-Thon where you review very obscure horror films like “Zombie Bloodbath” or “Death Nurse”?
October 30, 2011 at 1:57 pm
hey james did you know that quentin terentino was gonna be the director of this movie, he immidietly turned it down. and theres a rumor that this movie rights were owned by….a company that i didnt expect in a millions years…this movie was owned by DISNEY i dont know if this is actual fact but if its true, then they really fucked up when they didnt do a halloween movie where michael kills alot of the disney characters.
October 30, 2011 at 2:54 pm
um,… James, i hate to say this but you’re really wrong about one thing in this movie
while in the producers cut, michael was the father, it was through in vitro, not rape. and it was so the bloodline would be more ‘pure’
it was in the Theatrical or ‘official’ cut that it was by rape, and it was Wynn that was the father, not michael.
as a horror movie enthusiast, i did a lot of in depth research and just thought you should know that.
December 13, 2011 at 4:10 pm
Apparently you’re wrong. Michael did in fact rape Jamie in the P-Cut. Wynn wasn’t the father of the baby in either cut of the movie. In the T-Cut it’s implied Jamie was possibly underwent in-vitro fertilization.
October 30, 2011 at 4:20 pm
This whole “Trilogy” is banned in Germany. Well, it’s not like I missed some great Horror Movies I think
October 30, 2011 at 8:50 pm
This is the version in which my brothers and I have affectionately referred to Michael Myers as “Stone face Myers” as that’s what his mask looks like…like it was constructed out of stone!
Also, you can see my hometown of Dwight on the map at the bus station. In fact, all the towns surrounding Haddonfield and Smith’s Grove on the map are real Illinois towns.
October 30, 2011 at 11:45 pm
SNAFU – I own the Zombie Bloodbath trilogy because I got it for dirt cheap, but haven’t watched any of them. Are they any good?
October 31, 2011 at 1:10 am
I have both versions of this film (found the Producer’s Cut online for around $6). I think Daniel Farrands had the right idea with this one, it’s just a shame that the version that was released in theaters wasn’t what he envisioned. Somewhere this film sits, whole, and people won’t give up the rights. It deserves an HD makeover and a blu-ray release with commentary from Daniel Farrands himself.
October 31, 2011 at 6:46 pm
If they really wanted to go with the whole curse thing and Michael was being controlled by that cult I think a better ending would be if Michael killed all the people in the cult while they were sleeping and not controlling him. Then went on to be the mysterious murderer that we all know.
November 1, 2011 at 1:10 am
Curious. the ‘thorn’ symbol is actualy the scandanavian rune Thurisaz, younger futhark alphabet. It’s phonetic value is ‘TH’ and it usually represents Thor.
never seen it in the sky, and never heard of it being used to control serial killers…….worth a shot I guess
December 10, 2011 at 4:13 am
Also, it was used in written Old English to represent /θ/ (TH sound)
November 1, 2011 at 4:13 am
…How can Dr.Whinn be then trapped by the pathetic stone circle if it isn’t actually Michael…
December 13, 2011 at 4:13 pm
He wasn’t trapped. Michael knocked him unconscious and left him there in the circle.
November 1, 2011 at 1:04 pm
I always saw the Halloween series as Three Trilogies. Parts 1 & 2, Parts 4, 5 & 6 and Parts 1, 2, 7 & 8.
I agree with you here James, both versions of this film sucked ass. Explaining what makes the boogie man evil demystifies and flat out kills his character, Although I’m a huge Michael Meyers fan, he should’ve died in Halloween 2. Thank God I never seen the “Producers Cut.” It looks horrible both visual and plot wise. Did you know that the writer of that film was a fan? I believe in the 25th Anniversary DVD they talk about it. So in a way, part 6 is simply Fanfiction. Explains why it’s SO ridiculously horrible.
December 10, 2011 at 4:01 am
A trilogy consists of three movies, not two or four. Nitpicking, I know, but duuuuude…