Mike / July 5th, 2011
UPDATE: Casey Jones first appeared in the Raphael one-off micro series issue. I don’t know why the compilations I own include the Leonardo one, but not the others. Also, it seems like the movie also adapted this issue, with Raph fighting Casey.
July 5, 2011 at 3:42 am
A review on the TMNT comics from Mirage Studios I’ve been lookin’ forward to see someone review ‘em Great Work, James
July 5, 2011 at 3:44 am
I used to read these. good times.
July 5, 2011 at 3:57 am
So, Oruku Nagi killed Tang Shen, and later Oruku Saki killed Yoshi and Tang Shen?
All of the released comics can downloaded on the Usenet. Just google them.
July 5, 2011 at 4:05 am
Never mind! My mistake! He just beat her – Nagi did not kill her.
July 5, 2011 at 4:17 am
IDW Comics is soon to start publishing the Mirage TMNT comics in chronological order. So soon you’ll be able to read them in a collection.
July 5, 2011 at 4:18 am
awesome stuff. I never knew just how much of the first movie was worked from the comics. That’s great.
July 5, 2011 at 4:26 am
TCRI = The “C” stands for Cosmic.
TGRI = The “G” stands for Global.
In TMNT 2, they didn’t want to use the Utroms, so instead of making it cosmic they changed it to Global. Also, In the comic the ooze was not a mistake while in the movie, it was by accident.
July 5, 2011 at 4:35 am
Awesome, the original comics are the best.
July 5, 2011 at 4:42 am
This has seriously blown my mind. I will never look at TMNT the same way again. From slap-stick funny to badass.
July 5, 2011 at 5:34 am
They actually made a cartoon based on the original comics but i think it was made in 2000-2001 it followed it pretty well
July 5, 2011 at 5:43 am
Very interesting and enjoyable stuff as always. Thanks.
July 5, 2011 at 6:23 am
Great review James. Ever since I got into comics back in highschool the first ones I started to collect were the original comics. it took me like seven years to get at least 1st, 2nd or 3rd editions of all the issues. I highly recomend you seek out the Return to New York 3 issue storyline which happens right after the issue 11. It concludes the Shredder storyline and is just as epic as the first issue. After that the series are mostly stand olone storys. Some are interesting but many are crazy and all over the place. I heard Peter and Laird let other people work on the individual issues while they ran Mirage Comics which resulted in many different styles. The fans wrote and complained about no focused storyline like the first issues and they took it over again and did a huge epic 13 part storying called “City at War” which acted as a result to the turtles defeating the Shredder. If you can find those issues and the ones that lead up to it I highly recommend it because they are a great read which capped off the original line of the turtles
July 5, 2011 at 6:51 am
great review, ot those books too and I love them. if you want to read more I would recommend this page
the comics you have are the first book of this series, so you should start with the second. those books only collect them up until issue 29 (there are about sixty of them), the rest heven’t been collected yet. but on this page you find them as single issues, too.
July 5, 2011 at 7:10 am
I’m dying to read these. But I think it’s accurate to say in this version when the evil shredder attacks, those turtle boys don’t cut him no slack.
July 5, 2011 at 7:28 am
I used to have these comic but I dont know where the hell they went
July 5, 2011 at 7:29 am
i knew that there were comics but what I didn’t know that you can get them all in one as a graphic novel now, great! and a great review as always, James. I also came across a tmnt comic on amazon called Bodycount.The cover says it all, hope you’ll review that and more comics in the future.
July 5, 2011 at 7:40 am
THE BOOKS DO CONTINUE. I had the exact same problem continueing my collection after buying those first 4 graphic novels. There is another collection that comes after those books though. Its called TMNT Collected Book II (1990) and is available from http://www.miragelicensing.com/paypal/trades.html
They continue on for another 6 books I think and are really cheap. This is Peter Larid’s site, so if you ask nicely, they might even get him to sign them for you. I bought a load from mirage and Peter Laird even did a nice little sketch for me.
July 5, 2011 at 7:41 am
I still have my volume 1 and 2 collection myself! Like you I started watching the cartoon first, but I stumbled upon the black and white comics shortly thereafter at the comic store, and man was I blown away. I continued buying the Archie series, but I read every Mirage issue I could get my hands on, I loved the grittier turtles!
If you’re interested in seeing more, they are reprinting the collected books, this time remaining in black and white. The first volume, is up for pre-order at Amazon, though it covers the issues you already have there.
July 5, 2011 at 7:59 am
Hey James. If you still want the 5th volume you can find it here. It’s not cheap though. It’s around $36 for a “Very Fine” condition of the book. I hope I can get all five myself. Very expensive to get though. Some of the first prints are around $200 if you want a “Near Mint” condition copy.
July 5, 2011 at 8:17 am
Excellent video as always! You have a way of catching my interest no matter what your talking about! I really want to read these comics!
July 5, 2011 at 8:28 am
Good video, but you missed a couple of things. Just like there’s a Leonardo one-shot, the other 3 turtles have one too. Mike’s is a Christmas special, Don’s is an inter-dimensional story in which he meets a character based upon legendary comic artist Jack Kirby, and Raph’s introduces us to Casey Jones. Awesome stuff.
And the stories do go on in collected books, but they’re not in color (personally I think the black and white books look better). Just look them up. Eventually the turtles come back to confront Shredder and its explained how he came back from the dead.
July 5, 2011 at 8:37 am
1-7 coming out soon!
Coming out soon!
July 5, 2011 at 8:44 am
Interesting and informative. I want to read these so much.
July 5, 2011 at 9:07 am
Casey Jones was originally featured in Raphael #1, another one-off that happened before the Leonardo one. So, chronologically, he’d been introduced by the time Shredder returned. I think that issue is featured in the Collected TMNT book they released a couple years back. That book prints the first 11 TMNT issues, the four Turtle one-offs, and the Fugitoid one-off in their order of release, making it a bit easier to follow the story.
As for those Archie TMNT comics, I’ve got a bunch of those (probably like 30 or so) if you’re really interested in getting them for your personal collection again. Feel free to pass me an email if you’re interested.
Again, great reviews. I’m really enjoying these Turtle Tuesdays!
July 5, 2011 at 9:59 am
You’ll definitely find most of the old and new comics sold directly from mirage. I even noticed a 5th collected book there. Obviously, the older the books are, the harder they are to find in mind condition. But after browsing around here a bit, they do have most of the stuff here. But you better act soon, James. As you know, The Turtles franchise is now under Nickelodeon, so you never know when will mirage stop producing more comics. I order a bunch of these myself last year; Volume 2 and Volume 4 in particular, the former of which is presented in full color and looks AMAZING.
July 5, 2011 at 10:04 am
I have a similar compilation hat had the one-shots and the 11 issues; it was released by Mirage Studios and I even had it signed by Kevin Eastman during an event at Golden Apple Comics in Los Angeles, CA around 1990 or 1991. I still remember that day (hazily); he was a pretty nice guy. Thanks for the great review.
July 5, 2011 at 10:31 am
great video! i own a third printing of the original so i knew that story (*and loved it), but i always wanted to see the others. I couldn’t though because they really are hard to find and some are expensive. thanks for the recap!
July 5, 2011 at 10:34 am
The entire set is available on demonoid in .cbr/cbz format
July 5, 2011 at 10:54 am
Thanks everyone for the info. I didn’t realize Casey Jones was introduced in one of the Turtle one-offs. I’ll have to check that out. I wonder why they didn’t include it in those compilations I have. (Just the Leonardo one.)
July 5, 2011 at 10:55 am
Really cool stuff! Thanks for going over it all.
Pretty crazy to find out that Splinter’s master was a woman-beater and kind of deserved what he got.
July 5, 2011 at 11:25 am
The official TMNT website used to have scans of the comics to read — for free! — online, but now it looks like it’s been taken over my Viacom thanks to some deal with Nickelodeon. Great.
I just found the Mirage Studios website (now called Mirage Licensing) here: http://www.miragelicensing.com/index.html. It appears they’re closing down shop, and have sold all TMNT rights over to Viacom. Considering Viacom/Paramount’s delays in releasing DVDs of old Nickelodeon shows, it’s hard to say if/when they’ll be releasing official TMNT omnibuses any time soon, if at all. So you’re very lucky to have those four collections.
July 5, 2011 at 11:33 am
I have to say that I’m really glad the simplified the back story behind Splinter and Shredder in the cartoon and the movie. Even just watching this video I had trouble following the comic book back story and had to watch that part a second time. Still a great video though, but even with all the cartoon from the 80′s and 90′s that started as or had comic books. I always preferred the cartoons.
July 5, 2011 at 11:35 am
Also, James, as you’ve probably discovered by now, the original TMNT comic book was really only meant to be a one shot. When they ended up selling out and having to do as many as three reprints, they took the idea to Hasbro (I think it’s Hasbro) and signed a toy deal, which blossomed into the TV series, which then evolved into the franchise we’ve all come to know and love today.
It was essentially a satire of ’80s comic book violence, parodying Frank Miller’s ‘Ronin’ and run on ‘Daredevil’, as well as ‘X-Men’ (for the mutant bit). And to think that making a goof one shot became such a massive success!
July 5, 2011 at 11:42 am
I wasnt very excited when I first read the title to this video but after I watched it,.. I loved it. I thought it was very well done and very interesting. Great Job!
July 5, 2011 at 12:06 pm
I’d love to see a movie remake of this done properly, and clearly be advertised for the fans that grew up with TMNT, so the movie would be gritty, dark and violent. And if it was done rightly, something a long the lines of the way they made JP, it could be a super film, like.. costumes and stuff again, only minor alterations. And only use of CG when there would be no other option to make specific scenes.
July 5, 2011 at 12:07 pm
Just wondering if you know about the 2 TMNT anime episodes and what your thoughts on these are?
Here’s more info about them:
July 5, 2011 at 12:19 pm
I kinda loved Shredder’s response to the option of committing seppuku–basically, if I’m going to die, then I’m taking you fuckers with with me.
@BlazingRyuu lol i just watching that b4 watching this video and i was going to ask james about it but oh well, anyway you really should check out that Japanese anime its pretty odd for turtles but great video
July 5, 2011 at 12:38 pm
“Stupid blueberry raincoat wearing bitch.”
July 5, 2011 at 12:41 pm
from what i can tell, you’ve never seen the 2003 tv series, growing up with the 2003 show, i was able to understand everything that happened in that comic, save for the shredder-grenade part because it’s all in the newer tv show, you should check it out sometime or at least do a tmnt tuesday about it
July 5, 2011 at 12:45 pm
I have all the comics!
July 5, 2011 at 1:14 pm
I’m probably going to repeat some things from other folks but here we go… This reminds alot of the 00′s turtles cartoon (which definately followed the comics closer) It’s where people got the name for the aliens, and actually, if you get the chance you should see some of the later episodes of that, it gives a bit more indepth origin of the aliens and shredder.
July 5, 2011 at 1:33 pm
That was a great review, James.
I can tell you something more about the TMNT comic books, because I have all the comics, TV series, movies, action figures and all the merchandise (yeah, I’m a freakin’ TMNT fan).
It shows like a spam, but it’s just for helping you if you don’t mind.
In Spain, it sold a TMNT comic book collection (5 volumes) that shows all the stories (in black and white), including a Raphael issue (how Raphael met Casey Jones) and how it continues all the story after Volume 4 in your collection (Volume 3 in Spain).
I can tell you all that on a video on YouTube and send it to you on a video-response, if you don’t mind.
Good job with the AVGN, Board James, Monster Madness and You Know What’s Bullshit! You’re great!?
Best wishes from Spain.
July 5, 2011 at 1:41 pm
i love your shows and think you do a great job on them. i own a lot of the comics & dvds. i think you said you don’t have the 2003 season 2 part 2 dvd set in one of your videos, well i do have it & its great. i hope that nick will rerelease the series with more special features. oh did you hear that IDW comics is rereleasing the old mirage comics in hard cover in August as well as continuing the comics series with Kevin Eastman in color at the some time?
July 5, 2011 at 1:47 pm
oh ya, you need to get TMNT: A Quarter Century Celebration by Kevin Eastman as well as Bodycount by Eastman & Bisley. their both great books that i think you’ll love.
I have a box load of the old black and white turtle comics. Over time, there were a number of different artists and writers doing story lines and one-offs. It was great seeing the turtles in a huge variety of styles and settings. Things got really weird in some of them and you never knew what strange twists and turns would come up next. It really kept things fresh. It’s too bad they’re so hard to find today and compilations would be difficult. Either way, great video as always, James!
July 5, 2011 at 1:59 pm
you know, in all truth the modern TMNT cartoon actually follows this novel series pretty well, with the TCRI building, Utroms, and most of the other stuff.
July 5, 2011 at 2:10 pm
I have the next book if you need it James Just holler back if you are interested ok?
July 5, 2011 at 4:01 pm
TCRI stands for Techno Cosmic Research Institute. Since they didn’t involve the alien character in TMNT II, Cosmic was substituted with Global, thus it was called TGRI.
July 5, 2011 at 4:05 pm
TMNT pedia says “…there´s no TCRI. In the second movie it was changed to T.G.R.I: Techno Global Research Industries as the production was not supposed to have anything to do with aliens.”
Hope this helps =)
July 5, 2011 at 4:10 pm
Buried somewhere in my collection are the one-shot issues focusing on Raphael and Donatello. I’d never heard of the Leonardo one, or (if it exists) one for Michelangelo.
The Raph one is terrific. The first half is him meeting Casey Jones, and the second half is he and Casey fighting some crime boss, IIRC. That second story starts with Casey showing off a griffiti mural to Raph, when a couple of cars careen into the alley firing guns at each other. (Casey: “Great Googaly Moogaly!”) Both of them get numerous minor injuries over the course of the story, and the last page is of them at home, covered in bandages and insulting each other. Hilarious.
In the Donatello one-shot, Donatello encounters none other than Jack Kirby, who has found a mysterious crystal that he’s attached to his pencil, causing whatever he draws to come to life. It is awesome.
I really gotta dig these things out and enjoy them again…
July 5, 2011 at 4:16 pm
Awesome video, thank you, James.
July 5, 2011 at 4:18 pm
Oh man, I have this one about Donatello. I HAVE to find it now.
July 5, 2011 at 4:52 pm
I have the second one and am SSSOOOOOOOOOOO going to track down the rest of those GNs at Comic-Con! In the meantime, some points of interest…
1) In issue 1, the can flying at some dude who pushes a blind man out of the way of the canister is a reference to the origin of Daredevil and the cover was something of a send-up to the series Ronin.
2) TCRI became TGRI because it was changed from Techno (or whatever the T stood for, I forget) Cosmic Research Industries to Techno Global Research Industries. The “global” one is just more easy to believe is my assumption as to why.
3) Some of the issues of Tales of the TMNT are downloadable on the iPhone.
4) I believe issue 50 from 1992 started the “City at War” arc, which lasted for ten issues. I’m not sure exactly what the plot was, but I believe it was later adapted into the more recent animated series.
5) IDW Publishing recently announced that they are planning to start a new TMNT series which–if I’m not mistaken–is in continuity with the original. Currently, IDW is publishing–among other things–a slate of GI Joe series in an original continuity AS WELL AS the Real American Hero series which takes off from where Marvel’s original series left off.
6) Finally, you might also be interested in tracking down an RPG entitled “Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and Other Strangeness,” which was the very first piece of TMNT merchandise aside from the comics and reprints themselves.
July 5, 2011 at 5:27 pm
James, I hope you review the 2003 animated series. It follows the comics and has a lot of great storylines in it.
July 5, 2011 at 5:38 pm
i think i had one of those archie comics waaaaay back i can barely remember.
the one i had had a story similar to the game master story in action 52 cheetamen. it was about donatello meeting a certain artist who made comic books or something like that. then the guy gets some kind of roboti glove that makes peole get into the comic. donatello and him get trapped inside a comic and start fighting ninjas and robots. then don tries to save the artist, but misses and goes back to the real world. or something like that, i used to “see” it all the time (i hadn’t learned to read back then … or i was pretty lazy)
July 5, 2011 at 5:40 pm
i think i was talking about your donatello one haha, guess the magic glove was just a little confusion.
July 5, 2011 at 6:03 pm
I have the same four compilations and was the same age (4-5) when the comic books were originally released in ’84..I bought the comps when they were re-released in the early 90s due to the success of the show. I bought a few of the Archie/Turtle comics, but never enjoyed them since they were more akin to the animated series..but they were decent for what they were.
The whole scene where the TCRI container falls from the truck was completely lifted from Marvel’s Daredevil origin. Eastman and Laird were heavily influenced by Frank Miller’s stint with the Daredevil series (In Daredevil the ninja group that train his love interest Elektra are called “The Hand”).
Another factoid is the character of Usagi Yojimbo (who you mentioned in passing in your TMNT action figure video) is based off a comic of the same name that is still being released today. Stan Sakai (the artist/writer) is good friends with Eastman & Laird since both of their comics broke into the industry in 1984. Sakai even took his character over to the Eastman/Laird studio Mirage Comics for a brief time and what did he start with? A Ninja Turtles crossover of course! I highly recommend them to you James if you haven’t read them before.
P.S. Surprised you didn’t mention the Nintendo advertisements that are on the inside covers of the TMNT comps
July 5, 2011 at 7:11 pm
Thank you for doing this. I’ve spent years of my life explaining to my friends that there was a TMNT before the TMNT that everybody knew, now I can just show them this video.
They probably didn’t reprint the letters page in the compilation that you have but people were pissed when Mirage sold the TMNT rights to archie. TMNT was part of this whole black and white comics movement of the 80s. They were all dark, gritty, and for adults. Suddenly TMNT started appearing on kid’s underwear at target. If you can get ahold of the actual issues, you can read the letters where the fans voice their outrage.
Btw, there was a one-shot of Michelangelo and Leonardo. Fugitoid was also a separate comic (with Dr. Honeycutt) who appeared in #4 I think. I don’t remember how many issues there were of the main book. I want to say something in the 60s. But only the first 20 or so (up to the end of Return to New York) were published by Eastman and Laird. After that, they seem to have been done by a random hodge podge of authors and writers and I completely lost interest as a kid at that point.
There were also a number of “Tales of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles” which were really really good.
July 5, 2011 at 7:12 pm
so great that you reviewed these, I have those books……..gotta find em now.
July 5, 2011 at 7:13 pm
Btw James, I’m sure this is the wrong place to leave this comment. But you have to review “Garth Marenghi’s darkplace”. If you haven’t seen it….. shame on you!
July 5, 2011 at 7:45 pm
Awesome review. I was wondering if you’d ever do a Turtles Tuesday solely about the comics. From what you’ve mentioned, the 2003 series seems to cover a lot of what the comics did, with some good-guy tweaks at the start. From what I remember, season 5 of that series ended with a crazy epic battle, that did a pretty good job of bringing everything to an end. Makes me wonder if the comics ended on a similar story.
July 5, 2011 at 7:48 pm
I don’t agree that Shredder and Splinter both had legitimate reasons for revenge. Splinter was avenging the wrongful death of his family. Shredder was avenging an ill-tempered, abuse asshole that couldn’t take no for an answer. Come on man he SAVAGELY beat Tang Shien because she wanted Yoshi instead of Nagi. That’s why Yoshi curbstomped Nagi. Sounds like a good reason to me. Yeah yeah “two wrongs don’t make a right” but seriously, how many guys out there would have done anything different in that situation? Especially in the world of Ninja badasses/assassins? Shredder was definitely the bad guy here. Splinter may be a little darker in this universe, but he had a more legitimate reason for training the turtles to be his own personal ninja assassination squad than Shredder had for killing Yoshi and Tang.
July 5, 2011 at 8:27 pm
BUt think Grimmjow, don’t you believe that the Shredder, as a young child, who loved and probably idolized his older brother, would be furious and want revenge on the man who beat his brother to death?
To the Shredder, yes you can say his brother did a bad thing, should have been punished, but what right did Yoshi have to take justice into his own hands?
And, if you believe Yoshi had the right to do what he did, it must follow that the Shredder had the right to avenge his slain brother as well.
I’m looking forward to the new Turtles series IDW is producing later this year. Kevin Eastman is back on board as a co-writer, and from what I gather it was Peter laird who was more into the sci-fi space fantasy angle. Eastman was more about the gritty street violence.
July 5, 2011 at 9:08 pm
There was a trade paperback released a few years ago that I was going to recommend to you, but costs almost $200 now! It is the same issues that you have but also includes the Donatello, Michaelangelo, Raphael, and Fugitoid one-shot stories. (And its also in B&W instead of color.)
Definitely not worth that price, since, as others have pointed out to you, it looks like IDW is going to be reprinting the stories again.
July 5, 2011 at 9:10 pm
Also, they do eventually explain how Shredder came back (but it doesn’t really make a whole lot of sense). And the aliens are called Utroms at some point in the comics.
July 5, 2011 at 10:06 pm
I like how some of that comic actuly happens in the TMNT rebooted series. Got to wounder too if when the cartoon took over the rights to the comics what made them change things around like making Krang from dimention X and not an Umtron and adding beebop and rocksteady and the tecnodrom etc.
July 5, 2011 at 10:28 pm
Casey Jones was introduced in the one shot “Raphael”. Like Leonardo, the other turtles have one shots of their own. Michaelangleo had one where he found Klunk, his cat, in a Christmas special. Donatello had one which was dedicated to Jack Kirby (after his death) about Donatello meeting an artist with a magic crystal that brought his drawings to life, and the two had an adventure in a mythical world that they traveled through in a portal that the artist (named Kirby, after Jack) drew.
Raphel’s story chronicles Raphel’s first meeting with Casey. It’s very much like the scene in the first turtles movie where Raphel meets Casey. In the movie it’s a bit poorly explained why Raphel fights him. But in the comic it’s much more clear that Casey will use lethal force on any and all criminals he encounters, and Raphel stops him on the grounds that “there’s such a thing as making the punishment fit the crime”.
It’s a big shame that you only mention this now. I really would have mentioned it to you earlier if I’d thought of it, but you used to be able to read a bunch of early turtles comics on the official ninja turtles website for free, in their original black and white glory. They got up to about issue 17 I think. That’s a bit further along than you were with your graphic novels. They also had all the original turtles’ one shots. The reason for doing those one shots was because they focused on a specific turtle, so it wasn’t really “Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles” in a plural sense. Unfortunately since Viacom bought the rights to TMNT, the comics have been taken down, which was a huge shame.
If you want to see what happens next, the 2003 ninja turtles series follows the comics fairly closely, at least for the first season or two. You can also now buy a bunch of turtles comics on the new Mirage website, although getting hold of them is kind of hit and miss. The more recent comic, “Tales of the TMNT”, has a few issues up for grabs on Amazon too. Hope that helps.
July 5, 2011 at 10:32 pm
Great job, James! I like how you shot the magazine “over your shoulder” and paged through it. It actually works pretty good and looks better than simple scanning the pages and doing a “ken burns” effect. You are a badass!
July 5, 2011 at 10:48 pm
July 5, 2011 at 10:53 pm
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #5 (1st Printing
July 5, 2011 at 10:55 pm
Hey did you forget to mention the Body Count graphic comic about Raphael?
If you don’t know what I’m talking about you have to search it on eBay! I have a copy I got off there myself!
July 5, 2011 at 11:42 pm
James, like the Leonardo issue there is an issue for each turtle. Raf’s issue (titled Rapheal) takes place before Leonardo’s and that is the one that introduces Casey Jones into the story. Also shortly after where you are reading now there is a trilogy displaying the final battle with The Shredder called Return to New York (issues 19-21). The final issue in this trilogy is my personal favorite issue in this series. I highly recommend finding it. It’s great.
July 5, 2011 at 11:53 pm
This was a great video though I didn’t know they use some of the comic books for the first movie.
Last week wasn’t too bad though I do enjoy watching that Nerd episode again.
Anyway you should review some more TMNT games like one I hated from my child hood.
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Tournament Fighters on Sega Genesis is one of my most hated games.
As far as I know it was a rental when I was a kid playing my Genesis with such a good collection.
July 6, 2011 at 12:04 am
I want to read these comics now(even though you just told us what they’re all about)! Awesome job as always James
July 6, 2011 at 12:24 am
I have that Leonardo # 1 micro mini series issue. I have a lot of the early issues including the first issue, and I always assumed all of the turtles had thier own Micro Mini issue, which was basicaly just a story that only involved that one specific turtle. I also have a wierd one called Turtle Soup #1 with the four turtles riding a pterodactyl. I show them and a few other rare comics I have like Superman v.s Muhammad ali in a comic collection video on my youtube channel. If anyone is interested in seeing it or videogame reviews check it out. And great video james, I really dig the turtle theme you have lately, can’t wait for the nerd movie!
July 6, 2011 at 12:31 am
I was lucky enough that my library had these books when I was a kid, and I remember the first time I read them I was blown away. I was actually lucky enough to own issue 18 or 19 I think, and boy is that one weird. The Turtles get blown up by a bomb, but Splinter saves them by thransfering their minds into appliances while he reassembles their bodies. Weird.
July 6, 2011 at 1:06 am
Hey James, great fan of your site!
I’m a little surprised that you didn’t explore the connection between The turtles comic and Frank Millers run on Daredevil. The TMNT comic hints that their adventures are taking place in Daredevil’s 80′s ninja universe and TMNT was clearly intended as a parody at first.
The radioactive canister that gives birth to the turtles bounces off a kid’s face at first = Matt Murdock aka Daredevil.
Daredevil fights the hand, Turtles fight the foot.
Daredevils mentor is called Sticks, Turtles got Elektra.
TMNT is filled with gritty voiceovers, just like Miller’s work!
Check it out! It’s quite fascinating to connect the dots once you start looking! : )
July 6, 2011 at 1:07 am
*Sorry, Turtles got Splinter, Daredevil was trained by Sticks
July 6, 2011 at 1:15 am
James, if you wanna continue reading the comics you can download them. People have scanned them and uploaded them. Just search around on the torrent websites.
July 6, 2011 at 1:37 am
Great review James.
If you still wanna follow the story, then track down issues 19-21, that’s the story “Return to New York” where the Turtles go back to face Shredder one last time.
Also, issues 48-62, which are “Shades of Gray” and the 13 part “City at War”, which deal with the fallout of above mentioned story, and are in my opinion, the best TMNT stories of all time.
They haven’t been collected as of yet, but when they are definitely pick them up, or if you can, track down the single issues.
July 6, 2011 at 2:34 am
Truly great stuff James, I didnt even know these comics existed I would imagine thats its nearly impossible to find tthem here in Sweden… So I really hope that you dig out the rest of the series and do a followup!
July 6, 2011 at 3:02 am
Wow!!! I think that this is the review that had the most impact on me!!!
Being a 2003 TMNT show fan I honestly would never had known that the show followed the original comics storyline so faithfully!!!!!:P
Oh,by the way pleaseeeeeeee make 2003 TMNT show review!!!!!!
July 6, 2011 at 3:16 am
Hey James, those color books you have look nice, but they’re missing a bunch of stuff, like the story that introduces Casey Jones (the Raphael solo book), also the solo books for Michelangelo, Donatello, and Fugitoid.
If you want to see how the Shredder story ends, track down the “Return to New York” books.
July 6, 2011 at 4:26 am
According to Wikipedia “The Dan Berger run on the TMNT comic strip in the mid-1990s indicated that Krang was indeed an Utrom criminal.”
July 6, 2011 at 8:05 am
I had tonnes of these comics as a kid, not these original 4 books but heaps of the ones that followed.. I still remember going to second hand stores and picking them up for like 50c each I think I have them stored somewhere. It would be good to have a read of them again if I do ..
July 6, 2011 at 9:37 am
I read all of those issues and several more on ninjaturtles.com. I think they had the first 40-odd issues available to read online, but they were taken down when the franchise was sold to Nickelodeon. It’s a shame but it might suggest that Nick intends to release more anthologies.
July 6, 2011 at 9:58 am
Wondering if they consider rebooting the movie and doing a really dark version of it that matches the original comics.
July 6, 2011 at 10:04 am
JAMES! You can find some of these comics using torrent sites. its easy to download for free a lot of these comics which are so hard to find as well as a lot of movies
July 6, 2011 at 10:09 am
I was used to regular cartoons, and seeing mostly G-rated comics. Those are what I saw 99% of the time as a kid (I was born in ’82).
When a friend at school showed me this original turtle comic series I was totally blown away. It was the same feeling I got from the rare I times I got to see animations as a kid such as Ninja Scroll, Akira, Fist of the North Star, and Heavy Metal. Part of me has been chasing that feeling ever since.
July 6, 2011 at 10:12 am
Oh wow, seems the 2000-era Turtles cartoon was based off of quite a few of these stories.
July 6, 2011 at 11:28 am
Very good walk down memory lane.
Unlike you and probably many TMNT fans, THIS is how I was introduced to the turtles. I was a comic book fan first, and it seemed around the time the turtles came out there were so many animal/humanoid characters, from Cerebus (whom you mentioned), Usaji Yojimbo, to the Tick.
While I really enjoyed the cartoon series I always felt unsatisfied as the turtles weren’t created to be the teenage mutant happy turtles, they’re frickin’ bad ass ninjas, but the character popularity exploded so the market took over…then archie started it’s line and I bought one, just so I could feel the satisfaction of knowing I helped the world by pissing on at least one copy of it.
Here’s something I’ve kept all these years, an unusual publication but in the theme and style of the original turtles:
A katana training manual by leonardo, with tons of step-by-step images that teach you real form and stances; and yes I bought a wooden sword and trained my ass off!
July 6, 2011 at 11:41 am
If you want to find more of the comics, the story that you showed here continues, in black and white only, in Eastman and Laird’s Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles the Collected Book volume 2, and goes on like that from there. Also Casey Jone’s was introduced in another one shot microseries called Raphael #1, similarly to how he was introduced in the movie and the 2003 series if you’re interested in picking it up
July 6, 2011 at 11:44 am
Actually, Casey Jones first appears in the first issue of Raphael’s micro-series which also lasted for just one issue. It goes down word for word the same way as their first encounter in the live-action movie, so you really haven’t missed anything.
July 6, 2011 at 12:24 pm
Wow u got the holy grail their James, as far as TMNT goes. I’m really impressed by this mini doc, now I can really truely appreciate the movie, which adapted great scenes and ideas from the comic into 1 incredible and logical story. If they had tried to incorporate all the time travel it would have been a disaster. Yet the 2000 Toon series did a nice job of that.
July 6, 2011 at 3:11 pm
I’ll never forget my dad bringing me home issue 31 on Ninja Turtles (Soul’s Winter) back when I was 7 years old. The artwork was insane. I didn’t even think it was Ninja Turtles since it was so dark and gritty. But there it was, ‘Teenage Mutant Ninja turtles” on the cover. The turtles looked “real”. They wore no headbands or armbands, and had hieroglyphs on their shells. I still have it. I went back and collected some issues when I was 18 and had a bit of a Ninja Turtles resurgence back in 2002. Here’s what the issue looks like:
July 6, 2011 at 3:55 pm
Starting in September these comics are coming back.
On September 6, 2011, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: The Ultimate Collection Volume 1 is coming out.
Rediscover the underground roots of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, starting with this special edition hardcover collection of Mirage Studios” issues #1-7 along with the Raphael one-shot by creators Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird! With over 300 pages of mutated-martial arts action, this volume is perfect for fans to relive the glorious days of the Turtles” origins as well as an excellent place for new readers to see where the TMNT phenomena began.
July 6, 2011 at 5:48 pm
you should review more old comics with movie references
July 6, 2011 at 9:29 pm
Awesome review. I remember having one of the graphic issues (colored version; the one where Splinter gets kidnapped by the utroms and the turtles go to D’Hoonib and end up saving Honeycutt).
I like the fact that the 1st TMNT movie and the 2003 animated series stayed faithful to the original comics. It would be awesome if you talk about the 2003 animated series too James.
July 6, 2011 at 9:34 pm
The new (2003) series, if you ever get a chance to watch it, follows the real origin a lot closer. The Splinter being Yoshi’s rat and mimicking him to learn Ninjitsu, the Yoshi’s bud killing their love interest, the big difference however, being that Nagi joined Shredder’s foot clan and was killed by Yoshi when ordered by Shredder to kill him.
July 6, 2011 at 9:52 pm
my bad, he kills her in the show whereas in the comic, Teng-shen and Yoshi live together for a while before both being killed. There’s a lot more similarities I noticed as i watched this but i won’t give everything away. They do have the Utroms in the show, maybe that’s where the person that told you that got it from.
July 6, 2011 at 11:23 pm
Other comments are correct! Use the torrents to find RETURN to NEW YORK!!! It will answer your questions and was yet another inspiration for the movie!
Some of the last issues mentioned are all the set up for RTNY.
July 7, 2011 at 12:26 am
@James You want all of the back issues of TMNT so you can continue the stories you say? Look no further than here http://www.miragelicensing.com/index.html This is where I get my TMNT fix. Straight from the source. Enjoy, James, and keep up the great work.
July 7, 2011 at 12:30 am
@James The book collections are specifically located here http://www.miragelicensing.com/comics/books/books.html Again, enjoy and keep the TMNT love coming.
July 7, 2011 at 12:59 am
Excellent review of the TMNT comics, James. It definitely seems like something I’d like to check out some time.
I have to say, these Ninja Turtles videos have been a lot of fun!
July 7, 2011 at 1:08 am
i love these kinds of videos reviewing comics, i was never a comic book reader as a kid but still, seeing these videos is very entertaining!
July 7, 2011 at 4:04 am
This is completly awesome. I forgot how great TMNT was when I was a kid untill I saw your cartoon review, that was very sentimental, I’ve shed some tears. But this is soooo incredible, that’s blowing my mind. Only TMNT comics I knew were those post cartoon. It’s amazing how they combined and mixed all those different plots from original comic book into cartoon and whole franchise. I remember I had Fugitoid action figure, though I’ve never seen him in cartoon. I think I could spent a whole beer drinkin night talking about TMNT with you man. Though I’m sure there would be more for me to listen to.
July 7, 2011 at 1:21 pm
has any body watched tmnt fast forward
July 7, 2011 at 3:03 pm
“BUt think Grimmjow, don’t you believe that the Shredder, as a young child, who loved and probably idolized his older brother, would be furious and want revenge on the man who beat his brother to death?
And, if you believe Yoshi had the right to do what he did, it must follow that the Shredder had the right to avenge his slain brother as well.”
No, not at all. It’s clear that the ENTIRE Oroku family was totally and completely fucked up in the head. Nothing either Saki or Nagi did was justified in the least. How would you feel if you, had to witness your girlfriend being brutally beaten by some dude, just because she chose you instead of some other guy. He can’t deal with it so he whips her ass. Are you telling me you would say “oh well, this isn’t a good thing but I’m going to be cool calm, and collected and inform the proper authorities of this situation”. Really? You wouldn’t be upset at all? And taking into account that these aren’t just a couple of college students involved in a love triangle but two badass ninja guys living by the code of the ninja, what was supposed to happen here? It really sucks that Yoshi got caught up in this situation with a family of sickos that not only think it’s OK to abuse women but can’t let go of situations where they are completely wrong but at the end of the day, if Nagi had just been a man about the situation and said “well she made her choice and I’m ass out” no one would be dead. Damn near any guy in Yoshi’s situation, who claimed to love the girl in question would have done the exact same thing Yoshi did. Maybe Yoshi could have used some restraint, but I’d LOVE to see how much restraint you would have had in that situation. Tang Shien didn’t owe Nagi anything. She made her choice and her choice was Yoshi. Nagi was an immature ass and Saki was an obsessive douche.
July 7, 2011 at 7:00 pm
Ninja turtles the way it should be, and in its original and purest form !
Its so bad ass and violent !
July 8, 2011 at 12:07 am
Casey Jones’ debut is in Raphael #1, like how that one arc begins in Leonardo #1. Michelangelo #1 introduces their pet Klunk (I think) and Donatello #1 introduces the magic crystal pencil in a story written in tribute to Jack Kirby. The pencil brings things to life and is actually how April was created. Her parents were desperate for a child.
The Shredder you see there is a mystic weird worm-silk clone. He dies. Follow up on the comics, volume 1 gets even WEIRDER (youll learn that the TMNT was a very, very weird comic) and volume 2 is a good short run. Might want to skip vol. 3 as it was made by another company and technically doesn’t count. Volume 4 is on-going (I think) and features the Turtles years later on more weird adventures. Splinter dies about 20 issues in. Natural causes.
There hope I spoiled enough for everyone. :p
July 8, 2011 at 9:23 am
Just wondering, why do you have a long sleeve shirt on? Its summer.
P.S. love your videos
July 8, 2011 at 9:28 am
8:49 looks like Leo has a dick. lol
July 8, 2011 at 10:11 am
I’m so going to get those if I find them. I never thought TMNT had such an interesting Storyline.
July 8, 2011 at 4:59 pm
I am going to look these up as well. I remember seeing the turtle toys at a discount store before i knew who they were.and i remember thinking thats cool i was like 6 hahaha this is pretty sweet.
July 8, 2011 at 8:06 pm
anyone remember the tmnt pies?! i actually liked them!
July 9, 2011 at 12:30 pm
Does anyone have any idea where I can get my hands on collected issue volume one?
July 9, 2011 at 12:43 pm
volume 1 costs roughly about £50 in the uk
July 11, 2011 at 2:50 pm
OMG what did I miss this is freaking awesome man need to get me those comics one way or another
July 11, 2011 at 11:27 pm
The hitler comic i own it and its awesome leo basically tells hitler he is a demon and he want his mind and hitler is like nein you can have my life but you can never have my mind and commits suicide by blowing his brains out and if you want to know what happens next just watch the newest cartoon series it sticks pretty close to the story of the comics and almost all the side adventures are made into episodes
July 14, 2011 at 1:42 am
your site is great!
greetings from Russia!
July 14, 2011 at 5:04 pm
utrons are from the 2003 series just to let u know
July 15, 2011 at 5:39 pm
I think that dimension X and Krang are the cartoon’s versions of the planet they venture to, through the portal, and the aliens. The show was quite different, to think about it. However, its excuse is that it was more geared for kids, so you wouldn’t get the full character or atmosphere anyhow, even if they tried. To think that the show should have been regarded as something similar to those weird old 70′s/80′s cartoons.